athom Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 Just now, anonguest said: I'll wait till the enquiry. You'll wait for the IDF to tell you what to believe? Business as usual then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, athom said: Lol, if the IDF negligently killed ALL the remaining civilians of course that diminishes the hamas body count. She said she didn't even see hamas fire their guns until the IDF turned up and then they fired at the IDF. She said the hostages were all killed by the IDF at that point. (we don't know who did what before she arrived at the kibbutz.) Not in any significant extent. The total killed everywhere was 1400+. The kibbutz she came from was just one of MANY places attacked. Seriously, you find this significant?! That instead of killing 1400, as reported, the actuality is that perhaps Hamas only(!) killed 1380. JEEZUS. You are beyond help! Edited October 27, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, athom said: You'll wait for the IDF to tell you what to believe? Business as usual then. And you can take as gospel truth of whatever a bunch of psychopathic murderers tell you, along with no doubt still traumatised victims. It is well known that in such complex, chaotic and traumatising events that victims often do not recollect specific details of as accurately as one might assume. I have no doubt that, unlike Hamas, the inevitable enquiries will be public and open to other international experts and observers. In any case, EVEN IF the woman is recollecting events accurately she is no position to be able to accurately assert that Israeli fire killed anywhere near as many as she believes to be the case. AND finally, AGAIN, the issue of whether Israeli forces killed ANY of their own is wholly irrelevant and DOES NOT DIMINISH IN ANY WAY THE NATURE AND EXTENT OF THE ATROCITY THAT HAMAS COMMITTED. The fact that you are allowing your brain to get bogged down with such matters shows how warped your brain is and unable to appreciate the wider picture. What you are doing here mentally is as stupid as pointing to authorities who try to fight an arson started forest fire, which has already consumed 1/2 a forest, by burning a portion of still unburnt forest to act as a firebreak to the advancing inferno - and then pointing and saying "yeah but look! they burned perfectly good forest themselves". You really are stupid! Edited October 27, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Us economy just grew 5% which is 560 billion in 3 months Thats like adding a whole economy size of Ireland or adding half the Russian economy The US will be quite fine, the Axis of stupidity, terrorism and evil represented by Russia, Hamas, Iran and North Korea will not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 America is now bombing Irani/Islamic bases in Syria, in response to rocket attacks on US bases in Syria and Iraq. Question. Didn't Trump boast of pulling US forces out of Syria? What's going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Trampa501 said: Didn't Trump boast of pulling US forces out of Syria? Did he? When? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, anonguest said: Did he? When? Here's one report; various others if you care to look Five unintended consequences of Trump’s Syria withdrawal | The Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Another one Trump's withdrawal from Syria is victory for Iran and Russia, experts say (nbcnews.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, Trampa501 said: Here's one report; various others if you care to look Five unintended consequences of Trump’s Syria withdrawal | The Hill That's NORTHERN Syria. They're still there in the east (and stealing Syrian oil of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Trampa501 said: America is now bombing Irani/Islamic bases in Syria, in response to rocket attacks on US bases in Syria and Iraq. Question. Didn't Trump boast of pulling US forces out of Syria? What's going on? The yanks will say they are just security forces not military. In reality its just an excuse for their bombing. America is probably actually afraid of this becoming another proxy war. They need one on the go all the time but they like it on their terms and this is looking like the adversaries of USA are coming together in a way that would be awkward for the USA. So these are preemptive strikes against anti-american assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 Brass balls of the week go to these surgeons willing to go into gazan hospitals. Hats off and then some https://x.com/ICRC/status/1717856367921270915?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 On 26/10/2023 at 11:21, anonguest said: On 26/10/2023 at 11:15, athom said: Nowhere in gaza is safe from bombing by israel Actually, I would think that the places already demolished would be quite safe? Not much need for Israel to bomb an already totally demolished building? I nearly missed this piece of typical compassion. So your advice to gazan women, children, the elderly, go and find a bomb crater, hunker down inside it for an indefinite time until you die from thirst, malnutrition or disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trampa501 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Looks like a major Israeli ground incursion into Gaza has started. We will see this weekend what the response will be like from Lebanon and/or Iran. Looks as grim as anything we've seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) The Shani Louk vid: Broken leg at knee does not fold / look like this. Did Shamas have time to surgically remove her knee cap then magically suture and heal with no red / blue inflammation? and what's with the crease in her rear upper leg just above joint. 13 hours ago, anonguest said: Unless you're referring to photos of piles of shoes from some other event in history? Which one? We have some neat shoe arrangements today. If Hamas were doing it the shoes would be in disrespectful piles to garner outrage. https://www.pressenza.com/2020/05/extinction-rebellion-put-thousands-of-kids-shoes-in-trafalgar-square-urging-government-to-remember-children-during-coronavirus-recovery/ https://wtop.com/gallery/dc/empty-shoes-line-black-lives-matter-plaza-honoring-nurses-who-died-from-covid-19/ Edited October 27, 2023 by Arpeggio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2020 Mossad Chief Visited Doha, Urged Qatar to Continue Hamas Financial Aid 🥱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, athom said: So your advice to gazan women, children, the elderly, go and find a bomb crater, hunker down inside it for an indefinite time until you die from thirst, malnutrition or disease. Well, they didn't take the sensible advice first given to them. It seems that Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity! Edited October 28, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Trampa501 said: Looks like a major Israeli ground incursion into Gaza has started. We will see this weekend what the response will be like from Lebanon and/or Iran. Looks as grim as anything we've seen before. I doubt its very major tbh. Increased but still localised. Israel will get a very bloody nose and hamas will still be firing rockets is my guess. Iranian anti tank tech has been practiced with in Ukraine which will help. Tanks aren't anything like as unstoppable as they used to seem. They no doubt have night vision and everything else they'll need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up the spout Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 On 27/10/2023 at 02:10, athom said: I think most people don't understand that the name hamas is just the name for the Palestinian resistance today. Clearly they are just the people of gaza and the people of gaza will keep resisting until there are none left or they win their land back. Life under an israeli jack boot is not worth living, clearly, or this wouldn't be happening. Its rediculous to seperate hamas vs civilians, Israel would need to kill every last gazan to kill every last "hamas". and that is their fantasy. If I was in one of those red bits in the map there I hope I wouldn't be a pussy and I'd resist and I hope you would too. Anonguest of course he'd kiss invader arse and hope for a job as an informant or house boy. Why don't they just leave and enter a different Arab country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Up the spout said: Why don't they just leave and enter a different Arab country? Indeed. Perhaps because, despite all their superficial public claims of 'solidarity' with them, none of the other Arab countries actually want them. Something the West could learn from. The Palestinians have long been regarded within the Arab world as the 'chavs' of their world - even before the 20th century. As a starting point they could have moved to the nominally more secular West Bank, and at least escape the 7th century medieval fanatical religious bigots running Gaza at gunpoint. Numerous countries have had generous 'positive discrimination' immigration policies for Palestinians for some years. Heck! I'd have loved to have been able to jump the queue in getting residency in New Zealand to start a new life in a veritable paradise, by comparison. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that those of genuinely good conscience and intelligence would have left long ago by now. And those still there are either explicitly or, through their amoral silence, de facto support Hamas - the sorts of people that all but the most naive woke mind virus infected university student wouldn't want as their neighbours. Edited October 28, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, athom said: I doubt its very major tbh. Increased but still localised. Israel will get a very bloody nose and hamas will still be firing rockets is my guess. Iranian anti tank tech has been practiced with in Ukraine which will help. Tanks aren't anything like as unstoppable as they used to seem. They no doubt have night vision and everything else they'll need. Speaks the resident armchair military expert - who, just like Jeremy Corbyn and other such muppets, can instantly tell difference between a Hamas Quassam rocket and an air dropped JDAM bomb. LOL Edited October 28, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Up the spout said: Why don't they just leave and enter a different Arab country? Why don't they acquiesce to the Jewish extremist fascists who are forcing them to leave or be killer purely because they are not Jewish. I know which side of history i'm on here. The side Britain used to be on on any case like this. Now we're supposed to side with the fascists for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 How to describe this BS repeated again and again Israel has said it does not target civilians and has accused Hamas of operating among them to protect its fighters. UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said earlier today that the government supports Israel's right to defend themselves in accordance with international law. He said Hamas "habitually embed military capabilities within civilian infrastructure" and has bombarded Israel from those locations. No shit Sherlock. Hamas could build an "army base" in one of the few open spaces in Gaza. Israel has been given overwhelming firepower by tax paying mugs like you and me. 5 minutes and it would be wiped out. What is their only logical next move? What would we do next if we were them? Its a slaughter of innocent women and children with the most pathetic justification. I am utterly ashamed of the western leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, athom said: Why don't they acquiesce to the Jewish extremist fascists Why don't they try not being obsessed with hating Jews and killing people who worship a different god/religion then theirs?! Edited October 28, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 28, 2023 Author Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, anonguest said: 9 hours ago, athom said: I doubt its very major tbh. Increased but still localised. Speaks the resident armchair military expert Sky news 7AM Israel is still only carrying out "limited moves" rather than a large ground manoeuvre into Gaza, said a former Israel Defence Forces head of Palestinian affairs. They are still preparing the ground and studying Hamas's response to clashes in north and central Gaza, said Dr Michael Milshtein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, athom said: Hamas could build an "army base" in one of the few open spaces in Gaza You mean like Israel builds it's army bases in open areas away from residential buildings? Instead of right underneath large hospitals! You need to take a closer look at Gaza on Google Earth. Loads of empty land to use! Edited October 28, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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