Bloo Loo Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, workingpoor said: When is the cut off date for a vote recount? I think the Electoral College vote to certify Trump into the POTUS position in early December? I don't think anything will come of a recount it just smacks of Remoaners & Brexit 2.0 After the Podesta revelations, the sacked staff at Party heirachy, then if a recount is even to be considered, the issue of election fraud MUST come into it. Electronic voting is a really crap idea. They must get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Waste of time. Recount would probably show Trump with a greater margin of victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copydude Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, Bloo Loo said: Electronic voting is a really crap idea. They must get rid of it. That debate has been going on for some time, hasn't it? I can remember those bumper stickers: 'Diebold. Machines that vote so you don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 Recount underway in Wisconsin. The state recieved a request for a vote recount from Jill Stein whose fund has now recieved $5 million in donations. Stein also pland to submit requests for recounts in Michigan & Pensylvania. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/25/election-recount-underway-in-wisconsin-after-stein-files-petition/?0p19G=c The request was submitted 90mins before the deadline for a recount on friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Generation Game Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 So we are going to get a Hillary victory and a second Brexit vote? If at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherebee Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 What makes me laugh is things like this at 1>00 in http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/hillary-clinton-trump-threat-to-not-accept-us-election-result-is-horrifying-a3374066.html Where Hilary expressly stated her HORROR that Trump would hold his judgement on the election result. Now all her little zombies are doing just that, with her tacit support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitevanman Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Strange that Jill Stein would be asking for a recount. Does she think they accidentally failed to count 60,000,000 votes in her favour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherebee Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 11 hours ago, whitevanman said: Strange that Jill Stein would be asking for a recount. Does she think they accidentally failed to count 60,000,000 votes in her favour? Maybe she's just showing she's been a Dem stooge all the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Generation Game Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 36 minutes ago, wherebee said: Maybe she's just showing she's been a Dem stooge all the way? Or she doesn't want a bunch of coal-powered power stations coming online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/26/clinton-campaign-will-participate-in-wisconsin-recount-with-an-eye-on-outside-interference-lawyer-says/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ill_handle_it Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 So George Soros is closely linked to a company that manufactures the e-vote machines. Now we're led to believe there are issues with the count, ie a hack. I can't help thinking that this is bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I still can't believe that anyone thinks electronic voting machines that don't produce any kind of printed record are a good thing. With the Yanks running multiple elections at once (president, senate, congress, school board, sheriff, judges etc. etc.) I get why a pure paper based system might be very expensive to operate but surely some kind of properly hard to tamper with systematically after the fact record ought to be produced as part of whatever automated process is used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 27 minutes ago, Ill_handle_it said: So George Soros is closely linked to a company that manufactures the e-vote machines. Now we're led to believe there are issues with the count, ie a hack. I can't help thinking that this is bs. It's a re-run of all the Diebold stuff from 2004. I wouldn't trust an electronic voting machine any further than I could throw it myself but all the same it seems extremely unlikely that any kind of systematic tampering has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 What about the states that were marginals for Clinton? Shouldn't those be recounted too? Oh sorry.... obviously not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said: It's a re-run of all the Diebold stuff from 2004. I wouldn't trust an electronic voting machine any further than I could throw it myself but all the same it seems extremely unlikely that any kind of systematic tampering has happened. you dont need systemic tampering...just a little percentage adjustment here or there on the servers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 The chances of 3 critical swing states all being miscounted in favour of the non-establishment candidate is zero. If Clinton/ Soros get away with this obvious boondoggle, it's the end of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Turned Out Nice Again said: The chances of 3 critical swing states all being miscounted in favour of the non-establishment candidate is zero. If Clinton/ Soros get away with this obvious boondoggle, it's the end of the USA. Why all the Soros conspiracy theories, I don't get that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ill_handle_it Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 It's not a direct link but it's certainly not debunked. Snopes says it is. I don't trust it any more. Smartmatic is owned by Lord Mark Malloch-Brown. He is connected to Soros through the Open Society Foundation, an organization that gives grants to civil society organizations around the world. Malloch-Brown serves on the Open Society Global Board. Smartmatic says on its website, "George Soros does not have and has never had any ownership stake in Smartmatic." Link. http://uk.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-machines-2016-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ill_handle_it Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 This guy is blocked in much of Europe on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 hours ago, Ill_handle_it said: It's not a direct link but it's certainly not debunked. Snopes says it is. I don't trust it any more. Smartmatic is owned by Lord Mark Malloch-Brown. He is connected to Soros through the Open Society Foundation, an organization that gives grants to civil society organizations around the world. Malloch-Brown serves on the Open Society Global Board. Smartmatic says on its website, "George Soros does not have and has never had any ownership stake in Smartmatic." Link. http://uk.businessinsider.com/george-soros-connection-to-voting-machines-2016-10 Even if he did own a stake, it seems exceedingly far fetched to think that he would be involved in vote manipulation in some way and that absolutely no-one would leak that involvement in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said: Even if he did own a stake, it seems exceedingly far fetched to think that he would be involved in vote manipulation in some way and that absolutely no-one would leak that involvement in any way. He's involved in manipulation of all kinds. That's been well-leaked. Why exclude voting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XswampyX Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Turned Out Nice Again said: He's involved in manipulation of all kinds. That's been well-leaked. Why exclude voting? They lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitevanman Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said: Even if he did own a stake, it seems exceedingly far fetched to think that he would be involved in vote manipulation in some way and that absolutely no-one would leak that involvement in any way. 2016 was the year that all conspiracy theories turned out to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearishonhouses Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 On 11/26/2016 at 3:56 PM, SpewLabour said: What about the states that were marginals for Clinton? Shouldn't those be recounted too? Oh sorry.... obviously not. The states that Clinton won by less than 1.5% was New Hampshire (0.4%) with 4 electoral votes at stake . Trump won PA by 1.2%, WI by 1%, MI by 0.3% with a total of 46 electoral votes at stake. (see http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president) I would certainly support checking the votes in all four states - it just seems sensible internal control. I do not expect that anything untoward will be found, but why not 'trust and verify'? Especially this year, where it is quite clear that outside forces have been attempting to influence the US election - mainly by russian based trolls posting on social media sites. I don't count the false news sites as attempting to influence the election - they are just profit motivated and the Trump supporters were apparently more gullible than the Clinton supporters - so that was the bias of the news posted. (see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/fake-news-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-georgia.html) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casual_squash Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 6 hours ago, bearishonhouses said: The states that Clinton won by less than 1.5% was New Hampshire (0.4%) with 4 electoral votes at stake . Trump won PA by 1.2%, WI by 1%, MI by 0.3% with a total of 46 electoral votes at stake. (see http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president) I would certainly support checking the votes in all four states - it just seems sensible internal control. I do not expect that anything untoward will be found, but why not 'trust and verify'? Especially this year, where it is quite clear that outside forces have been attempting to influence the US election - mainly by russian based trolls posting on social media sites. I don't count the false news sites as attempting to influence the election - they are just profit motivated and the Trump supporters were apparently more gullible than the Clinton supporters - so that was the bias of the news posted. (see http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/fake-news-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-georgia.html) In the interest of fairness recount the entire thing then, i.e. the blue states too. Also to keep blaming the entirety of all negative news on Russia and some poster boy kid in a basement in Georgia is frankly becoming pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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