SNACR Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Just a bunch of 'lone wolf' anarchists variously typing rubbish on the internet in between w@nking. Why so confident on the 'between'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 So people who aren't on Facebook basically. Ah ha. You are funny sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Discuss. It's not "become" a right-wing echo chamber - there's never been many left-wingers on this forum for as long as I've been a member. IIRC I even started a thread about this several years ago. I can't be bothered to search for it On the other hand, "left wing" and "right wing" is not very useful. I consider myself "slightly right of centre", but at the same time I want LVT, a Citizen's Income, a complete end to military adventures in far-away countries... basically stuff that is to the left of the current Labour Party. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I see the financial crisis, financial mismanagement etc etc as completely separate from any political view. This site is fundamentally about the financial stuff. Politics is just a side-show really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 It's not "become" a right-wing echo chamber - there's never been many left-wingers on this forum for as long as I've been a member. IIRC I even started a thread about this several years ago. I can't be bothered to search for it On the other hand, "left wing" and "right wing" is not very useful. I consider myself "slightly right of centre", but at the same time I want LVT, a Citizen's Income, a complete end to military adventures in far-away countries... basically stuff that is to the left of the current Labour Party. Go figure. You sound quite sensible! Be off with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I've had a few string discussions with friends...and girlfriends...about this very subject. Some of them are tempted to see everything as a left or right issue, or gender politics, or some such. The economic status quo isn't about traditional politics or 'New and improved' politics...the financial system and structure doesn't benefit any group except the people with stacks of cash...whether they're male, female, Christian, Muslim, left, right, Russian, American or Chinese. P Pin is jealous! I must rise above this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko2010 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 See the 'political compass' thread recently. Most of the posters here were surprised to be left-of-centre, me included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 See the 'political compass' thread recently. Most of the posters here were surprised to be left-of-centre, me included. I've never assumed you were Pol Pot. Left or right is just a label that limits your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 "If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain." – Winston Churchill (allegedly) This pretty much sums up my journey from the left to the right. In my youth I was very left. Even took part in work brigades in Cuba in my 20s. I believe it’s all about life experience and with it comes self-education. I have seen how extreme socialism is applied first hand and it just doesn't work. In recent times we have the left trying to destroy Europe with uncontrolled immigration which is pushing a lot of people further to the right. The uncontrolled immigration strikes me as something that would be more right wing than left, but as has already been said those are fairly meaningless labels. I don't know that I've become more conservative as I get older, just more disillusioned with everyone and everything full stop. I'd frame the traditional left / right thing as ignorant control freakishness on one side and screwing up everything to satisfy greed on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Far right means that you don't let people in. Far left means that you don't let people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Far right means that you don't let people in. Far left means that you don't let people out. I should quote you on that one. I have little wisdom of my own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I should quote you on that one. I have little wisdom of my own! What of the wisdom of the Way of Pin of which I hear much from happy renting? Is this a false god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 As others have said, the forum has always been rather right wing in some aspects, but that's probably strengthened in the last few years. Particularly true on the anti-immigration/anti-Muslim/anti-feminism front by what I understand to be current definition of right wing. As an humanist anarchist - I find plenty to both agree and disagree with here. I don't have any particular objections to people following whatever belief they want - but the state and society should be completely secular (although show some small amount of accommodation in public e.g. allowing people to wear turbans or crucifixes in the workplace if practical). I obviously side with libertarians in social and state control matters, but perhaps not completely economics wise - which I think if it has to be regulated at all should be run for the benefit of all humankind so favour a more redistributive citizen's income approach. Immigration and free movement obviously in favour of - but only with the expectation they will be expected, and enabled, to integrate asap inc. following societal expectations here - and that the infrastructure etc is put in place - rather than forming ghettos in poor areas. I have no truck with those seeking to close down free speech through censorship and getting on board outrage buses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 As others have said, the forum has always been rather right wing in some aspects, but that's probably strengthened in the last few years. Particularly true on the anti-immigration/anti-Muslim/anti-feminism front by what I understand to be current definition of right wing. As an humanist anarchist - I find plenty to both agree and disagree with here. I don't have any particular objections to people following whatever belief they want - but the state and society should be completely secular (although show some small amount of accommodation in public e.g. allowing people to wear turbans or crucifixes in the workplace if practical). I obviously side with libertarians in social and state control matters, but perhaps not completely economics wise - which I think if it has to be regulated at all should be run for the benefit of all humankind so favour a more redistributive citizen's income approach. Immigration and free movement obviously in favour of - but only with the expectation they will be expected, and enabled, to integrate asap inc. following societal expectations here - and that the infrastructure etc is put in place - rather than forming ghettos in poor areas. I have no truck with those seeking to close down free speech through censorship and getting on board outrage buses etc. Go back home where you came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InlikeFlynn Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I have no truck with those seeking to close down free speech through censorship and getting on board outrage buses etc. Do they run on Sundays? Back on topic, I don't think the forum is any more right wing than it used to be as it's always been a bit politically batty in all directions. Thanks goodness. What I do see however is increasing rudeness and the presentation of personal opinions (often rather exotic) as hard fact. The latest wierdness is the obsession that the media and the result of the Brexit vote itself are all under some form of state control. The "nobbled referendum" conspiracy took a bit of a bashing when Brexit won, but the resident fruitbats have moved on to the next wing-nut theory without a moment's reflection or analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Do they run on Sundays? Back on topic, I don't think the forum is any more right wing than it used to be as it's always been a bit politically batty in all directions. Thanks goodness. What I do see however is increasing rudeness and the presentation of personal opinions (often rather exotic) as hard fact. The latest wierdness is the obsession that the media and the result of the Brexit vote itself are all under some form of state control. The "nobbled referendum" conspiracy took a bit of a bashing when Brexit won, but the resident fruitbats have moved on to the next wing-nut theory without a moment's reflection or analysis. Conspiracy ? Voting registration was delayed by 2 hours - this resulted in registration being open for 2 days. That's not a conspiracy - it's a bit behind that and too obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Go back home where you came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lulu Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Now I think about it, we probably are mostly against trendy metropolitan elite blairite progressive lefty dogma, political correctness, positive discrimination, dumbing down education, etc, as well. My problem is with people on both sides who will not, or cannot, accept their views being challenged. Just now I feel this is coming mostly from the not-so-liberal-left SJW types. They claim to speak for the people but have lost touch with reality and what matters in real life and hence why so many people voted to leave the EU. The so called left has disappeared and the sensible have been pushed 'right' by the nonsense that has replaced it. I am more right wing than most of my friends but I am sure some of them almost have me down as BNP voter as I am critical of them when i question some of the daftness they come out with. I once confessed to voting Tory and was greeted with a reaction like I had just drowned a puppy, conversely I do not criticise others voting history but I am prepared to debate the issues where others are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Ffs I was being serious !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 My problem is with people on both sides who will not, or cannot, accept their views being challenged. Just now I feel this is coming mostly from the not-so-liberal-left SJW types. They claim to speak for the people but have lost touch with reality and what matters in real life and hence why so many people voted to leave the EU. The so called left has disappeared and the sensible have been pushed 'right' by the nonsense that has replaced it. I am more right wing than most of my friends but I am sure some of them almost have me down as BNP voter as I am critical of them when i question some of the daftness they come out with. I once confessed to voting Tory and was greeted with a reaction like I had just drowned a puppy, conversely I do not criticise others voting history but I am prepared to debate the issues where others are not. It's the lack of debate I don't get. You either agree, or you're wrong. No discourse, no compromise, no real genuine, painful tolerance of others ideas and acceptance that they might be wrong. Want to be independent of the EU: racist. Want to vet immigrants so that only genuine refugees can claim asylum: racist. Think that work should not put in place specific arrangements to accomodate Islam: Islamophobic. Disagree with building wind farms everywhere: Climate change denier. It genuinely baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 If it has, which I'm not sure is accurate, then it's because it's self selecting. Facebook is a much more interesting case because i can say with a fair degree of certainty that, for example, the people I'm connected to on there are a broad political spectrum and yet, somehow, the left wing voices massively drown out all the others and that's after I've unfriended the genuinely nasty ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 What of the wisdom of the Way of Pin of which I hear much from happy renting? Is this a false god? Faulty but not false! Like everyone else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Far right means that you don't let people in. Far left means that you don't let people out. It's for these brilliant nuggets of wisdom that I keep coming back to HPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 I'm not even going to read the thread and I don't know the answer to that question. When I first joined hpc, off topic was full of weird cranks. In time, it almost became populist and whilst it was always male biased, opinions were somewhat broader. Now? make your own minds up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 We are definitely a little lacking in Rigour these days Mr Flynn. Couldn't say owt at one stage without someone saying "Source?". Source...? XYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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