CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 You don't seem to give the Scots much credit for thinking for themselves. When people are being told by the government that if you vote yes you will lose your pension, when the supermarkets are telling you that your weekly shopping will cost more, that you won't be able to use the pound, etc. etc. and then on the other hand tell the Scots that if you stay with the union you will get home rule, it isn't surprising that Scotland voted No. What is surprising is that after all the threats and lies the Unionists could only muster a 10% majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 The era of principled politicians have long gone. In England maybe. The 56 MP's we sent down have principles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 In England maybe. The 56 MP's we sent down have principles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 You don't seem to give the Scots much credit for thinking for themselves. Socialists always know better than the ignorant proletariat. That's why they take it upon themselves to speak for the people and manage our lives, rather than give people the freedom to get on with our own business. Though, to be fair, the Scots Nats come across as a pretty benign instance of them. What they'll look like if given real responsibility remains an unknown, though really it's a hypothetical question because independence would lead to a rapid realignment in politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 In England maybe. The 56 MP's we sent down have principles! probably 56 should have been sent down for the expenses scandals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 You don't seem to give the Scots much credit for thinking for themselves. CyberNat may be a little 'keen', but to be fair to him, you don't seem to have much grasp of the MSM and the politics of fear if you think the proles are allowed to think for themselves.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Scotland has sent 56 new MP's to Westminster with a clear final agenda to break that place apart, and remove Scotland from it's power of influence. What have you done in the way of challenging the established order? Your casual dismissal of the situation reeks of the disdain that has broken this country. Your part of the problem..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 When people are being told by the government that if you vote yes you will lose your pension, when the supermarkets are telling you that your weekly shopping will cost more, that you won't be able to use the pound, etc. etc. and then on the other hand tell the Scots that if you stay with the union you will get home rule, it isn't surprising that Scotland voted No. What is surprising is that after all the threats and lies the Unionists could only muster a 10% majority. Threats and lies or cold, hard truth? The inability of the nationalists to accept that there could be any downside whatsoever to independence didn't do anything to help their credibility. And talk about impatience, the referendum really wasn't very long ago at all, why is there this expectation of instant change within minutes of it being suggested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Though, to be fair, the Scots Nats come across as a pretty benign instance of them. What they'll look like if given real responsibility remains an unknown, though really it's a hypothetical question because independence would lead to a rapid realignment in politics. That's strange. I thought the SNP had been in government for the last 8 years or so. They just won 56 MP's so the people of Scotland must think they are doing an excellent job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 If the SNP have such an issue with this situation - why didn't they try and change it BEFORE the election ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Threats and lies or cold, hard truth? A mixture of both but mostly the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 If the SNP have such an issue with this situation - why didn't they try and change it BEFORE the election ....... What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentingForever Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The Scottish people never bottled it. They were lied to, bullied, threatened and bribed. Even after all that the unionist's only just managed to win. Now that the unionists have gotten their way, and Scotland has shown that they don't want to be represented by unionists at Westminster, we are getting treated like dirt again. The unionist don't want to honor their bribes. Better together! 50% of the Scots voted for the SNP, 50% for unionists parties - roughly the same as in the independence referendum. Any representative democracy system would reflect that, but FPTP has distorted the position, allowing the SNP to claim that "the Scottish people" voted for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That's strange. I thought the SNP had been in government for the last 8 years or so. They just won 56 MP's so the people of Scotland must think they are doing an excellent job. The people of Scotland just saw the SNP as the least bad of the bunch. Bit like the Tories in the UK as a whole really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 50% of the Scots voted for the SNP, 50% for unionists parties - roughly the same as in the independence referendum. Any representative democracy system would reflect that, but FPTP has distorted the position, allowing the SNP to claim that "the Scottish people" voted for them. A majority of people did vote for them. More than can be said for any other political party in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What do you mean? What do I mean ? Err.. Its pretty obvious !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 The people of Scotland just saw the SNP as the least bad of the bunch. Bit like the Tories in the UK as a whole really. No, a lot of people in Scotland saw the SNP as the only route to dismantling Westminster politics and rule. Voting for the SNP is a vote for the future of Scotland. A vote for unionists is a vote for more of the same lead from London. Did you vote Labour CCC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 CyberNat may be a little 'keen', but to be fair to him, you don't seem to have much grasp of the MSM and the politics of fear if you think the proles are allowed to think for themselves.... Oh, Lord. I have been on the receiving end of the MSM for many decades so am only too familiar with their tactics, thanks. But I still think a good percentage of the population is well able to think for itself. And I think it is patronising and smacks of contempt to assume that it can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 What do I mean ? Err.. Its pretty obvious !! What situation do you speak of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 50% of the Scots voted for the SNP, 50% for unionists parties - roughly the same as in the independence referendum. Any representative democracy system would reflect that, but FPTP has distorted the position, allowing the SNP to claim that "the Scottish people" voted for them. And has been the case for the last 30 years - between 15-20% of Scots voted for the Tories - whilst we are still told that "nobody in Scotland votes for them". The whole political system is a joke - and the SNP are part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, a lot of people in Scotland saw the SNP as the only route to dismantling Westminster politics and rule. Voting for the SNP is a vote for the future of Scotland. A vote for unionists is a vote for more of the same lead from London. Did you vote Labour CCC? I didn't vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Oh, Lord. I have been on the receiving end of the MSM for many decades so am only too familiar with their tactics, thanks. But I still think a good percentage of the population is well able to think for itself. And I think it is patronising and smacks of contempt to assume that it can't. I think a lot of the older generation who don't generally have access to the internet form most of their opinions based on what the pick up from the TV and newspapers. Hence why it was mostly people over 60 who voted NO in the referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What situation do you speak of? The situation you raised in this thread ffs !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think a lot of the older generation who don't generally have access to the internet form most of their opinions based on what the pick up from the TV and newspapers. Hence why it was mostly people over 60 who voted NO in the referendum. My lord - so many SNP supporters just don't get it - do you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberNat Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 The situation you raised in this thread ffs !!! OK so in what way could the SNP have changed the way they are going to be sidelined at Scottish Questions, before the election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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