Optobear Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Okay, so we've always known that many of entities in government are the opposite of what they claim Ministry of defence is really Ministry of war National Health Service is really National Illness Service Department of Work and Pensions is really Department of Unemployment But increasingly I'm starting to view most of government spending as the opposite of what it claims too. So £20bn on housing benefit is really £20bn given to landlords from taxpayers. £2bn of legal aid is really a way of giving £2bn to lawyers to enjoy a very comfortable standard of living (btw, I was surprised that the news media didn't point out that lots of lawyers will be having a lean christmas with cuts announced). £169bn Income support and £22bn family tax credit are huge subsidies to Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, and Morrisons. Mortgage Support is for bankers, etc. If you stop and think about where the money goes you see that most of these benefits are in fact subsidies of people who don't really need it. So the biggest beneficiaries of housing benefits are the biggest landlords, the biggest winner from Income support is Lord Sainsbury... etc. you get the idea. Is it only me that is thinking this way? I've found it quite a startling revelation, and makes me look very differently at the media reports on cuts and public spending. Also, the ones I highlight above are all the super successful areas of the UK economy. Engineering, technology, computing etc that have all struggled don't get any part of those billions. No wonder they struggle. Optobear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Employed Youth Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Your right to a degree. Just look at transport. Subsidy after subsidy after subsidy. The only thing not subsidised is the collecting of fares from people whom work, a growing proportion whom are priced out of car ownership by insurance and the very heaving policing of it (by state subsidised police offers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Okay,so we've always known that many of entities in government are the opposite of what they claim Ministry of defence is really Ministry of war National Health Service is really National Illness Service Department of Work and Pensions is really Department of Unemployment But increasingly I'm starting to view most of government spending as the opposite of what it claims too. So £20bn on housing benefit is really £20bn given to landlords from taxpayers. £2bn of legal aid is really a way of giving £2bn to lawyers to enjoy a very comfortable standard of living (btw, I was surprised that the news media didn't point out that lots of lawyers will be having a lean christmas with cuts announced). £169bn Income support and £22bn family tax credit are huge subsidies to Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, and Morrisons. Mortgage Support is for bankers, etc. If you stop and think about where the money goes you see that most of these benefits are in fact subsidies of people who don't really need it. So the biggest beneficiaries of housing benefits are the biggest landlords, the biggest winner from Income support is Lord Sainsbury... etc. you get the idea. Is it only me that is thinking this way? I've found it quite a startling revelation, and makes me look very differently at the media reports on cuts and public spending. Also, the ones I highlight above are all the super successful areas of the UK economy. Engineering, technology, computing etc that have all struggled don't get any part of those billions. No wonder they struggle. Optobear Citizen Optobear please report to your local reprogramming facility immediately, we have reason to suspect a fault with your world view that requires immediate correction. As a temporary measure please repeat the following phrase twice each quarter hour: " Poor people are responsible for the current emergency" NOTE: This phrase is generic and a can be safely applied to all contingent circumstances. Thank you for your attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non frog Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 .... If you stop and think about where the money goes you see that most of these benefits are in fact subsidies of people who don't really need it. .... They do need it - that's how they get rich and got rich in the first place - taking your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 Your right to a degree. Just look at transport. Subsidy after subsidy after subsidy. The only thing not subsidised is the collecting of fares from people whom work, a growing proportion whom are priced out of car ownership by insurance and the very heaving policing of it (by state subsidised police offers). Right to a degree? What degree? - I'll have an honourary doctorate in stating the bleedin obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madpenguin Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Citizen Optobear please report to your local reprogramming facility immediately, we have reason to suspect a fault with your world view that requires immediate correction. As a temporary measure please repeat the following phrase twice each quarter hour: " Poor people are responsible for the current emergency" NOTE: This phrase is generic and a can be safely applied to all contingent circumstances. Thank you for your attention. Funny as soon as I saw this thread I thought how much we're getting into Orwell land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 haha, welcome to the real world. Did you throw away the TV by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The Bank Of England - is it a bank? Is there anything in it's vaults? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shindigger Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Yes. Esp the supermarket subsidy. Heard some fella on the radio about 2 months ago with the same argument (was it you)?? Was a lightbulb moment. Have been a huge hater of all things Brown, yet that particular piece of double handed malevolence had passed me by. I was quite shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 The Bank Of England - is it a bank? Is there anything in it's vaults? Right, or the Treasury - grand title, grand building, suggests vaults full of Treasure.... in fact just a massive debt, the scale of which the human mind can't comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concerned_money Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Citizen Optobear please report to your local reprogramming facility immediately, we have reason to suspect a fault with your world view that requires immediate correction. As a temporary measure please repeat the following phrase twice each quarter hour: " Poor people are responsible for the current emergency" NOTE: This phrase is generic and a can be safely applied to all contingent circumstances. Thank you for your attention. citizen optobear, we normally only send jewish banker conspiracy theorist types here.......but be careful what you think OK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixated_Threat_Assessment_Centre remember at the centre we can "care for you" without access to your legal rep for an indefinite period - your a danger you just don't know it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbone Glover Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Is it only me that is thinking this way? I've found it quite a startling revelation, and makes me look very differently at the media reports on cuts and public spending. Also, the ones I highlight above are all the super successful areas of the UK economy. Engineering, technology, computing etc that have all struggled don't get any part of those billions. No wonder they struggle. Not any more - I hadn't really thought about it like that, but you're absolutely right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) Sometimes I just get the urge to print out a post and waft it under my MP's nose saying: "this". It happens quite a lot with Optobear's threads. Edited November 16, 2010 by Chef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Sometimes I just get the urge to print out a post and under waft it under my MP's nose saying: "this". It happens quite a lot with Optobear's threads. There's the problem - you expect one of the agents of this tyrant to ... give a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 There's the problem - you expect one of the agents of this tyrant to ... give a shit. How do you know I'm not an MP? Or a double agent for an MP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 citizen optobear, we normally only send jewish banker conspiracy theorist types here.......but be careful what you think OK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixated_Threat_Assessment_Centre remember at the centre we can "care for you" without access to your legal rep for an indefinite period - your a danger you just don't know it yet Yes, clearly a concern, but isn't there a significant payout - no questions asked - if you are put away by the security services? Or is that only if you take the Cuban timeshare option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 Sometimes I just get the urge to print out a post and waft it under my MP's nose saying: "this". It happens quite a lot with Optobear's threads. Chef, how very kind. I am flattered, but why not actually send it to your MP, pose it as a question, I'd love to know if you get a response. Optobear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Okay, so we've always known that many of entities in government are the opposite of what they claim Ministry of defence is really Ministry of war National Health Service is really National Illness Service Department of Work and Pensions is really Department of Unemployment Just noticed another great example courtesy of interestrateripoff http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=155309&view=findpost&p=2803163 The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) - what is its opposite? The Office of irresponsible budgeting and printing of cash (OIBPC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getknk Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Your right to a degree. Just look at transport. Subsidy after subsidy after subsidy. The only thing not subsidised is the collecting of fares from people whom work, a growing proportion whom are priced out of car ownership by insurance and the very heaving policing of it (by state subsidised police offers). good point made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1888 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 how much in taxes do we pay ? gross pay becomes net pay and after that everything you buy with it is taxed again and again even before the goods hit the shops they have been subjected to many forms of taxation which are added on to the end price which is usually subject to vat , even if you dont spend it they tax the interest on you saving it stamp duty, council tax ,road tax, tv licence,fuel duty , NI contributions ......................... one way or another they'll shaft you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 how much in taxes do we pay ? gross pay becomes net pay and after that everything you buy with it is taxed again and again even before the goods hit the shops they have been subjected to many forms of taxation which are added on to the end price which is usually subject to vat , even if you dont spend it they tax the interest on you saving it stamp duty, council tax ,road tax, tv licence,fuel duty , NI contributions ......................... one way or another they'll shaft you No tax if we are paid in expenses....I would love to hand an employer a list of the expense of living, cost of getting to work, food to keep me fit for working, a home and furniture to provide a base near to where I work.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallguy Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Okay, so we've always known that many of entities in government are the opposite of what they claim Ministry of defence is really Ministry of war National Health Service is really National Illness Service Department of Work and Pensions is really Department of Unemployment But increasingly I'm starting to view most of government spending as the opposite of what it claims too. So £20bn on housing benefit is really £20bn given to landlords from taxpayers. £2bn of legal aid is really a way of giving £2bn to lawyers to enjoy a very comfortable standard of living (btw, I was surprised that the news media didn't point out that lots of lawyers will be having a lean christmas with cuts announced). £169bn Income support and £22bn family tax credit are huge subsidies to Tesco, Sainsbury, Asda, and Morrisons. Mortgage Support is for bankers, etc. If you stop and think about where the money goes you see that most of these benefits are in fact subsidies of people who don't really need it. So the biggest beneficiaries of housing benefits are the biggest landlords, the biggest winner from Income support is Lord Sainsbury... etc. you get the idea. Is it only me that is thinking this way? I've found it quite a startling revelation, and makes me look very differently at the media reports on cuts and public spending. Also, the ones I highlight above are all the super successful areas of the UK economy. Engineering, technology, computing etc that have all struggled don't get any part of those billions. No wonder they struggle. Optobear I see you have decided to take the blue pill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optobear Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 I see you have decided to take the blue pill. Took the blue pill? I hope I didn't. I don't think I did, I didn't intend to take it, but maybe I did? "the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe", or to take the red pill, where "you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." Unless the blue pill you mean is one of those triangular shaped ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 And the purpose of the Dept of Educatuon is to provide an army of trained workers for private (and public) sector employers. Degrees increasingly only really matter if they arte vocational. And prospective students are encouraged to work out the ROI of their courses. Truancy officers, the school bell and set break times are simply there to train the workforce into clock-watchin subservience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallguy Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Took the blue pill? I hope I didn't. I don't think I did, I didn't intend to take it, but maybe I did? "the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe", or to take the red pill, where "you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes." Unless the blue pill you mean is one of those triangular shaped ones? Ah, I think i meant the red pill then.... I was always sh*t at remembering movies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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