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This Guy Who Has Been Pardoned By The Home Secretary

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I can't get my head around how this works. Guy was convicted in Turkey and was shipped back to serve his sentence here. How then can this Country pardon him? Surely, his conviction still stands in Turkey so what happens when Turkey joins the EU (which hopefully they never will) and gets to use the EU arrest warrant system?

What happens if he ever gets asked "have you ever been convicted of an offence anywhere in the world?". If Turkey had pardoned him then he could answer "no", but they haven't.

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I can't get my head around how this works. Guy was convicted in Turkey and was shipped back to serve his sentence here. How then can this Country pardon him? Surely, his conviction still stands in Turkey so what happens when Turkey joins the EU (which hopefully they never will) and gets to use the EU arrest warrant system?

What happens if he ever gets asked "have you ever been convicted of an offence anywhere in the world?". If Turkey had pardoned him then he could answer "no", but they haven't.

good question, i dont know this case

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Are you referring to Michael Shields and Bulgaria or Turkey and some other bloke I don't know about?

Isn't Bulgaria already within Europe? of sorts?

That's the guy. I thought he was convicted in Turkey though.

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Right, checked it - it's Bulgaria. However, how can we pardon him for a conviction obtained in a different jurisdiction? Surely he still stands convicted in Bulgaria?

Secondly, since when do people get pardoned on the basis of an alleged verbal confession the existence of which has come via their own family?

This all seems very strange and bizzare to me.

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Right, checked it - it's Bulgaria. However, how can we pardon him for a conviction obtained in a different jurisdiction? Surely he still stands convicted in Bulgaria?

Secondly, since when do people get pardoned on the basis of an alleged verbal confession the existence of which has come via their own family?

This all seems very strange and bizzare to me.

Yes, its Bulgaria. Varna actually. The Jail in Varna is very basic I can assure you :(

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Is Labour looking for more votes in Liverpool or something?

Apparently, Jack Straw met with the family and they told him some new evidence. :huh:

He won't say what that evidence is.

He won't put the evidence before a court, why bother with the old scales of justice?

Shields recommended for royal pardon.

Backslapping and cheers all round, let's hope Shields can also claim lots of compensation.

Meanwhile the Bulgarian waiter remains brain damaged from the effects of a concrete slab dropped on his head. :( No mention of this.

I can't help thinking that this sort of circus won't help any UK citizen much in the future, should they be arrested in Bulgaria.

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Right, checked it - it's Bulgaria. However, how can we pardon him for a conviction obtained in a different jurisdiction? Surely he still stands convicted in Bulgaria?

Secondly, since when do people get pardoned on the basis of an alleged verbal confession the existence of which has come via their own family?

This all seems very strange and bizzare to me.

Yes it is odd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_of_Michael_Shields

Sounds like there are many eye witnesses who saw him do it, and the confession by someone else was withdrawn (and anyway they said they used a different weapon to that actually used).

Even if he didnt try to kill him, it does appear at the very least he was involved in the attack with others, so he is not some innocent bystander being locked up for years.

According to wikipeadia anyway. The observer appears to claim otherwise:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2007...ures.magazine37

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I'd bet anyone a G & T that the same thing will happen in the case of the woman who tried to smuggle heroin out of Laos last year. There was probably a deal done with the Laotians involving international aid payments.

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Yes I am sure an 18 year old lad on holiday with his mates, was safely tucked up in bed with a cup of cocoa by 10.30pm the night the football team he supported won the champions league. :lol:

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Some papers had the online lead as Turkey and the story as Bulgaria, not sure why.

They were on their way back from Istanbul, Turkey where Liverpool had just won the Champions League Cup.

They were celebrating! :unsure:

Thank God they were in a good mood.

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Some other bloke has admited doing it ages ago

Its been a f*ckin farce, why the peasant Bulgarian pricks wanted a scape goat is beyond me.

Deliberately prosecuting the wrong man just to get a result is deliberately letting off the right man.

and anyway Bulgaria is the holiday destination of chavs and tight tw@ts

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Is Labour looking for more votes in Liverpool or something?

Apparently, Jack Straw met with the family and they told him some new evidence. :huh:

He won't say what that evidence is.

He won't put the evidence before a court, why bother with the old scales of justice?

Shields recommended for royal pardon.

Backslapping and cheers all round, let's hope Shields can also claim lots of compensation.

Meanwhile the Bulgarian waiter remains brain damaged from the effects of a concrete slab dropped on his head. :( No mention of this.

I can't help thinking that this sort of circus won't help any UK citizen much in the future, should they be arrested in Bulgaria.

This did occur, to be honest. Liverpudlians seem to be irrationally sensitive on these matters so one wonders if this is a buttering-up job for a close election?

Still doesn't answer my question though. How on Earth can the UK pardon someone convicted in another Country? Surely he still stands convicted in Bulgaria? I mean this is a Royal pardon and the Queen doesn't reign over Bulgaria, as far as I know.

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Yes I am sure an 18 year old lad on holiday with his mates, was safely tucked up in bed with a cup of cocoa by 10.30pm the night the football team he supported won the champions league. :lol:

I see you have the same standards as the Bulgarian police.

It wasn't the night they won and it was 3am he was in by (the crime occured at 5.30am), not 10.30pm.

:rolleyes:

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I see you have the same standards as the Bulgarian police.

It wasn't the night they won and it was 3am he was in by (the crime occured at 5.30am), not 10.30pm.

:rolleyes:

Well said. I hope these posters never have to find out about the dubiousness of much of the world's legal proceedings the hard way. Bulgaria, remember, was a communist country for many years and has a culture of locking up innocent people.

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Still doesn't answer my question though. How on Earth can the UK pardon someone convicted in another Country? Surely he still stands convicted in Bulgaria?

The Home Secretary can issue a pardon, but he cannot overturn the conviction of the Bulgarian court anymore than he can overturn the brain damage caused to Mr Georgiev.

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Facts are he is scouse, a convicted criminal, violent and he was released by Straw.

Next.

Are you trolling for the tw@t of the day award? If so, congratulations, you've won it!

Edt: for ****** sakes, I can't even call someone a twit without it changing the a!

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The Home Secretary can issue a pardon, but he cannot overturn the conviction of the Bulgarian court anymore than he can overturn the brain damage caused to Mr Georgiev.

That doesn't make sense...it's a logical absurdity. How can the UK issue a pardon in a case like this? The pardon cannot possibly have any legal effect. A pardon effectively means that you no longer stand convicted yet he clearly is still a convicted person as far as Bulgaria goes. If a UK "pardon" doesn't overturn a foreign conviction it is not pardon at all.

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