The Us Is Getting Rowdy

[MOP]

I'm going to give Obama the benefit of the doubt for now. He is a smart guy [yes, I know he is surrounded by banking croonies], the thing is he can not tackle everything at the same time. I reckon that given some time, and once the US was somehow stabilized and strong enough he would take on the corruption in the banks. hey, but then you would have the Libertarians jumping up and down about government interference and screaming "socialism" or some such nonsense.

Oh come off it. If he was so moral about the corruption of the banks he wouldn't have taken such a huge wad from Goldman would he?

[Injin]

Oh come off it. If he was so moral about the corruption of the banks he wouldn't have taken such a huge wad from Goldman would he?

The clothes on his back, the food on his table - all of it stolen.

Everything he says - lies.

[roman holiday]

You Brits have a not so good understanding of how things get done politically around here. Wait for the next election???

That's the mindset you all have, not here.

When pols do wrong we jump on them immediately.

As far as what choice did both Mr. O and Mr. Bush have -- come on! Let the big banks fail. No one is too big to fail.

Is the US too big too fail? I think if they took a die-hard attitude to the banks it would have been a pretty dire outcome. Personally, I think the banks should have been nationalized.

btw, I am a kiwi.

[bill still]

I'm an equal opportunity politician basher. But, Bush was less bad.

I'm going to give Obama the benefit of the doubt for now. He is a smart guy [yes, I know he is surrounded by banking cronies], the thing is he can not tackle everything at the same time. I reckon that given some time, and once the US was somehow stabilized and strong enough he would take on the corruption in the banks. hey, but then you would have the Libertarians jumping up and down about government interference and screaming "socialism" or some such nonsense.

[bill still]

Oh, but you live in the UK? OK.

First of all the "N" word just won't cut it around here.

Secondly, just what do you mean by "nationalization" of banks? The government would take over all lending?! That would not be pretty. Think I'd ever get a loan???

Is the US too big too fail? I think if they took a die-hard attitude to the banks it would have been a pretty dire outcome. Personally, I think the banks should have been nationalized.

btw, I am a kiwi.

[bpw]

Bill Still - is there another USA in the world? I presume you are living there.

The ills of America have been obvious to at least half the 'real' US population. After all, Bush was re-elected after a dubious re-count. The current situation is mostly the responsibility of two Bush Jr. terms in office, AND the longer term deregulation of finance starting in the 1980s. I don't just mean the banks, but also the insurance companies. I am, of course, refering to the health insurers as well as AIG.

All americans should be alarmed at the Right Wing's tactics of recent days. Who for example would support Glen Beck (talkshow host) after he fantasised on radio about murdering Michael Moore - that wasn't an off-the-cuff comment, the fantasy lasted several minutes. He is just typical of 'hate americans' who want to divide everyone using false theology. And for what exactly, better radio show ratings. As for Michael Savage its hardly surprising that Britian has banned his entry into the UK the man is repulsive in spirit and deeds.

Vested interests in the USA are taking our feedoms to far, and frankly they should be incarcerated - if Moore is murdered, then Beck will be directly responsible. In the USA, that would mean he should face the death penalty by electrocution or lethal injection - don't you agree ?

You Brits have a not so good understanding of how things get done politically around here. Wait for the next election???

That's the mindset you all have, not here.

When pols do wrong we jump on them immediately.

As far as what choice did both Mr. O and Mr. Bush have -- come on! Let the big banks fail. No one is too big to fail.

Edited August 11, 2009 by bpw

[roman holiday]

I'm an equal opportunity politician basher. But, Bush was less bad.

Tell me that's a typo Bill.

[Pindar]

Charterhouse is a banker who probably doesn't like the fact that the proles are getting restless. Nuff said.

I would say he's a nobody who just likes to sound hard on the internet. The general form of this type of character is to take the side of "authority", dismiss rational speech/writing as being irrational and generally make objectionable, groundless comments to irritate the other posters. If there was ever a case of "we say black and he says white", then this is it. Things which are clearly becoming self evident to normal, thinking people are being increasingly denied by the establishment and its agents. In other words, a reactionary.

[bill still]

You are right. Americans will get mad and when they get mad, we have soooo much more ability to organize and change the system than Brits even seem to have a concept of. I didn't know this until I got on this site. I thought the British political system was maybe just a bit less available to citizen input, but now I see it's much more closed. Pity. Brits seem to think that an angry bode politic rising up and marching in protests, etc. is tantamount to revolution. It's not. It's just run of the mill stuff over here. It's expected, encouraged. Pols quake in fear of such a thing as is happening now. The next election will see a new batch swept in. They will get the message.

Now whether that can be translated into actual monetary reform at this stage is questionable, but what can I do? I have to do what I can do when I can do it. I'm 61. How much longer will I be able to get around and do these things? Making a film is very strenuous.

Now, I'd say 10-20% have heard that the Fed is not part of the government. But I tend to circulate in a crowd that knows. I tend to watch TV programs that are most likely to know, etc. So it's difficult to say.

I'd say that a satisfying and ever-improving percentage of Americans are coming to understand this the Fed is just a name to sound like it's part of the government.

Bill, what percentage of US citizens, would you say, now understand that the Fed is privately owned?

I've worked in the US quite a bit and have friends there, so to some extent I understand the traditional US cultural passions for honesty and loyalty.

Assuming that your educational work succeeds, what large-scale reactions (political, emotional ... ) do you expect to see as the people realize the shear overwhelming scale of the deception that has been foist upon them since 1913?

As I see it, two things that are guarenteed to infuriate the average American are being lied to and being ripped off.

[MOP]

Tell me that's a typo Bill.

You sound shocked?

Obama Drops Faster than Bush or Carter

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...rter_97703.html

I will say it again, Bush and Obama are two cheeks of the same ****. The people have finally figured it out.

Edited August 11, 2009 by MOP

[bill still]

Aaargh. That hit the news just about 3 days ago and I didn't save it. If I can remember, I'll send it along. Can't you google this. It was all over.

That's interesting.

Do you have a link?

[bill still]

Well, my goodness, you certainly have that ring of authority.

Why have I not run into you in my first 10 days here?

I would say he's a nobody who just likes to sound hard on the internet. The general form of this type of character is to take the side of "authority", dismiss rational speech/writing as being irrational and generally make objectionable, groundless comments to irritate the other posters. If there was ever a case of "we say black and he says white", then this is it. Things which are clearly becoming self evident to normal, thinking people are being increasingly denied by the establishment and its agents. In other words, a reactionary.

[The Masked Tulip]

That woman sounds like a nutter.

Brilliant!

[markinspain]

Hey Bill. What do you think of this.

We The Sheeple Of America - catchy no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcT2Q1JXh_w

[bill still]

I understand where this fear comes from, but I have great faith in the American populace. I would actually hope that Obama tries this because it would expose him and his plutocratic cronies and finally wake up the totality of America to the real and present danger of plutocracy finally closing the loop on the American political experiment.

I hate to say this because it is sooo politically incorrect, and I just will not stand for throwing violence into our political mix, but there are just tooooo many guns here and toooo many people that know how to use them. Government fears this and rightly so. But it's not that armed rioters will take to the streets and storm Congress. It's the mindset that we all have power -- each of us, as individuals, owns power. We are not powerless.

Once the general public understands what this scam has been about, I think they will react accordingly and I fully expect that changes will be made. If that comes through Prez. Obama, that's fine.

Wow, this thread's moved on a pace. How about another false flag incident? Do you think government will pull another stroke to bring in martial law and quell unrest?

[bill still]

Well this truth about the Fed undercurrent has been growing and growing, but in the overall scheme of things, I suppose it's still less than 5%, but that's still a very good number. But with the focus on the economy, I know MM has been selling more and more with each passing year, so people are just more interested in knowing what happened.

If it wasn't for the economic woes, do you think Americans wold have noticed or even cared?

[bill still]

Whew! Well I don't know anything about that. I've vaguely heard of Michael Savage, but don't know the beast.

I have no problem with the anti-health-care protests. I don't see them as "right-wing" as you put it.

It's pretty much an equal opportunity dislike of all bought politicians.

Bill Still - is there another USA in the world? I presume you are living there.

The ills of America have been obvious to at least half the 'real' US population. After all, Bush was re-elected after a dubious re-count. The current situation is mostly the responsibility of two Bush Jr. terms in office, AND the longer term deregulation of finance starting in the 1980s. I don't just mean the banks, but also the insurance companies. I am, of course, refering to the health insurers as well as AIG.

All americans should be alarmed at the Right Wing's tactics of recent days. Who for example would support Glen Beck (talkshow host) after he fantasised on radio about murdering Michael Moore - that wasn't an off-the-cuff comment, the fantasy lasted several minutes. He is just typical of 'hate americans' who want to divide everyone using false theology. And for what exactly, better radio show ratings. As for Michael Savage its hardly surprising that Britian has banned his entry into the UK the man is repulsive in spirit and deeds.

Vested interests in the USA are taking our feedoms to far, and frankly they should be incarcerated - if Moore is murdered, then Beck will be directly responsible. In the USA, that would mean he should face the death penalty by electrocution or lethal injection - don't you agree ?

[Britney's Piers]

You are right. Americans will get mad and when they get mad, we have soooo much more ability to organize and change the system than Brits even seem to have a concept of. I didn't know this until I got on this site. I thought the British political system was maybe just a bit less available to citizen input, but now I see it's much more closed.

The Enlightenment ideas that took hold in France and America carry down as cultural memory. In Britain the monarchy and aristocracy survived, and to this day most British people still see themselves as "subjects" - of the government if they are left wing, and of the monarch if they are right wing. The idea that they are an individual who doesn't have to answer to the "establishment" crosses barely anyone's mind.

This serf psychology that most British people still have lets government get away with a lot more unquestioned I think.

[MOP]

Check this one out from yesterday:

Senator Arlen Specter faces fury at town hall: 'You work for us!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9BhYnwNEpw

[shindigger]

What they should have done is split the image in two with Bush on the right and Obama on the left and had the comment Fascism/Socialism? what's the difference?

Amen.

[bill still]

Ya, it's all over the news today here.

Check this one out from yesterday:

Senator Arlen Specter faces fury at town hall: 'You work for us!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9BhYnwNEpw

[bill still]

The news this morning here is that Mr. O's approval rating has plummeted to 50-42%, approve/disapprove.

You sound shocked?

Obama Drops Faster than Bush or Carter

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...rter_97703.html

I will say it again, Bush and Obama are two cheeks of the same ****. The people have finally figured it out.

[Darkman]

Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming.

Inspiring stuff

[Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

What on god's green earth is wrong with universal health care? Answer me that one. Sure beats the current US system which costs more than $1000 per head MORE than the French system - one of the best healthcare systems in the world, yet the US system fails to deliver healthcare to many millions of poorer Americans, because of the many VIs who are creaming off massive profits. Corporate America at its very worst.

The 'opposition' is being stoked up by the PR industry. I pity the fools who are taken in by the propaganda machine.

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Edited August 11, 2009 by gruffydd

[Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

OMG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Bonner and Associates! ARGHHHHHHHHHHH

http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2009...ent=channellink