31 Arrested At Demonstration Against Islamic Fundamentalism

[indirectapproach]

Yeah, with a nick like yours I hope you don't.

[Bob Loblaw]

"Race in particular is an indicator of the effect you have on an economy, either positive or negative."

Any persuasive empirical evidence to support that comment perchance?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssda...t.asp?vlnk=6282

Chinese 6.0

Black Other 16.4

Black African 14.1 24.1

Black Caribbean 11.6 23.7

Other Asian 10.7 ..

Bangladeshi 21.3 36.9

Pakistani 16.1 24.9

Indian 7.3 18.4

Mixed 12.4 19.7

White 4.7 10.9

Table shows unemployment rates of different ethnic groups for all ages and for 16-24 year group. Seems Bangladeshi and Pakistanis have the highest rates of unemployment closely followed by black and mixed race people.

[subby]

Excuse me, a million dead in Iraq? If anyone is engaged in relativism it's you. A dead Muslim means nothing, a dead westerner demands destruction of half the globe!

I'm hazzarding a guess that you are a Muslim?

[Guest Skinty]

Having been in Birmingham city centre on the afternoon in question I am able to give an eyewitness account of the fracas. I dont wish the truth to spoil a good story but the demonstrators (black and white unite) started a protest outside birmingham council house in Victoria square against islam or something. They made their way down New Street towards the Rotunda under Police escort. All of a sudden car loads of chav asians turned up in the pedestrianised area which was very naughty because children were running around. The couple of hundred chavasians attacked the black and white unite protesters and grabbed the union flags and set fire to them. Again very naughty because of the smoky fumes. I saw a big black bloke almost take the head off a chavasian with a lovely left hook. All in all lots of fun and great entertainment. Not good for the city centre property market though particulary the iconic rotunda

Very interesting. Thanks for that account.

So this suggests that the UAF and their ilk were just waiting for the next anti-islam protest so that they could disrupt it. This also suggests that the original hypothesis that the anti-islamic protesters are becoming more media- and politically savvy is unwarranted.

It does suggest an escalation is taking place. What will the anti-islam protesters do now? They'll be expecting something similar to happen again next time.

[subby]

the Birmingham meeting/protest was well documented on facebook as going to happen. Wouldn't have taken much for someone to work out where the protest was going to be held and to go to cause trouble.

[Guest Skinty]

Balkanisation of Britain is now pretty much inevitable eventually, IMO.

Not inevitable. It might end in fascism or it might end in complete capitulation. It might even resolve itself peacefully.

Basically, no one can tell yet. Do the natives emigrate and leave? Do the immigrants go home? Will something be done in time before even more extreme measures need to take place?

It's all still to play for.

[I_Claudius]

And what you idiots miss, whilst engaged in your self-righteous empassioned Neo-Liberal outpourings is the core reality I have stated so often on this site in recent times: that the middle of the road WASP nice family guy is increasingly aligning with the Far Right groups as a protest against an insane Ivory Tower Dwelling Liberal apology of a Government intent on giving Britain away and destroying its social balance, moral and cultural fabric and its own religious values.

Ignore this rapidly accelerating trend at your own peril!

just out of interest, what are you basing that on?

your BNP organiser mate?

On the one side you have the thicky pro-immigration people and on the other side you have the more intelligent sensible people who know how it will all end.

yes

it's a binary choice between thicky pro immigration nutters vs intelligent, rational and sensible people.

that's just about covers it.

[profitofdoom]

I must be forgetting the recent terrorist atrocities in Britain caused by fundamentalist Christians; do remind me.

You might just,at a push portray some of the protestant sects as fundamentalist.The republicans however were motivated by nationalist/political reasons.Gerry Adams was never accused (not even by The Mail) of executing people for listening to the wireless.

[MrsNoelEdmonds]

crunched-up_and_spat_out

I see from your signature that you’re either a racist misandrist or a plain old dumb ass bigot. Would the term ‘British’ being replaced with ‘Pakistani’ be acceptable? Of course not. Case closed. Maybe you're a racist misandrist bigot? Maybe a fifth collumnist. Maybe an agitator. Or maybe just a plain stupid generalist. However, like any racist sexist, you are not to be taken seriously.

Your signature:

"British men - the reason why we'll never produce a decent british car, a team capable of winning the world cup or a wimbledon champion...."

Just for your information, my signature is a light hearted response to various 'british wimmin are fat/slags/gold-diggers' threads on here.

And thus far we haven't made a decent british car, won the world cup or produced a wimbledon champion...

Case closed.

[Guest Skinty]

I don't see a peaceful outcome as even the chavs might start to understand that their cushy way of life will be threatened under Sharia.

So after waying up the possible outcomes, I consider conflict to be the most likely.

With two million card carrying bible bashers in Britain I see alliances being formed against Islam with every other religion as allies (oh and atheists!)

Nevertheless, a relatively peaceful outcome is still possible even if you do not think that it is likely.

The moment we resign ourselves to the outcome of war, war becomes inevitable.

[thecrashingisles]

I don't recall ever seeing Christians protest against Christian fundamentalism.

You must have missed out on a vast amount of Western culture.

[Orsino]

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssda...t.asp?vlnk=6282

Chinese 6.0

Black Other 16.4

Black African 14.1 24.1

Black Caribbean 11.6 23.7

Other Asian 10.7 ..

Bangladeshi 21.3 36.9

Pakistani 16.1 24.9

Indian 7.3 18.4

Mixed 12.4 19.7

White 4.7 10.9

Table shows unemployment rates of different ethnic groups for all ages and for 16-24 year group. Seems Bangladeshi and Pakistanis have the highest rates of unemployment closely followed by black and mixed race people.

The reason the Bangladeshis suffer sky-high unemployment is because they live in a Bangladeshi ghetto in Tower Hamlets where even third-generation British-born teenagers do not have a proper grasp of English and where women are not expected to have a career. There they are kept in grinding poverty by their own insularity, fostered by crooked 'community leaders' like the thieving Baroness Uddin and by a dogma of twisted multiculturalism. They are politically exploited by politicians like Oona King and George Galloway whilst being largely ignored by the rest of society unless it happens to be on the lookout for cheap, sub-standard curry restaurants that should by all rights be closed down on Health & Safety grounds. I visited the area two weeks ago and got swine flu.

[PrivateerMk2]

History dictates the answer Skinty.

History is largely the result of the sad fact that most humans are ignorant, violent cretins. With any luck, swine 'flu or pneumonic plague (since it's doing the rounds again) should help us out with a bit of pest control.

[Guest Skinty]

History dictates the answer Skinty.

You can learn from history and apply those lessons to change the outcome. As JFK realised after reading "The Guns of August" when dealing with the Cuban Missile crisis.

[Prescience]

And thus far we haven't made a decent british car, won the world cup or produced a wimbledon champion...

Case closed.

Sir Fred Perry: Wimbledon Champion 1934, 1935 and 1936.

World Cup: 1966.

Cars? How much time and space do we have?

Jaguar XK 120, XK140, XK 150: C type: D Type: AK SS; E type

Mk I and II saloons.

All sales World beaters.

Aston Martin: DB1, 2 3 4, 5 and 6.

Ditto.

Mini, Mini Cooper and Cooper s;

Lotus Cortina:

MK I Escort BDA: look at its rally and race record.

Etc.

I believe what you meant to state was blighted by the omission of one small, yet critical word: "Again"!

Another illustration of the value of precise English, perhaps.................

[Prescience]

You can learn from history and apply those lessons to change the outcome. As JFK realised after reading "The Guns of August" when dealing with the Cuban Missile crisis.

Cm on Skinty!

JFK was pres. of the most powerful state in the World, with the most powerful missiles systems and war machine.

And the most cash.

Here we're talking two opposed groups with wholly disparate volition and perspective.

The only way this rapidly growing social angst will be solved will be blood letting: or, as you say, a Fascist state.

Which personally I have forecast and believed since circa 1978 as I watched the collapse of parliamentary democracy and electoral representation and the accountability of professional politicians.

One can push the mainly stoical brits so far and so far only.

Flashpoint is now not too far away.

[Prescience]

just out of interest, what are you basing that on?

your BNP organiser mate?

I extend you the courtesy to both read what your write: and follow the thread.

Kindly reciprocate!

[wickywackywoo]

Cm on Skinty!

JFK was pres. of the most powerful state in the World, with the most powerful missiles systems and war machine.

And the most cash.

Here we're talking two opposed groups with wholly disparate volition and perspective.

The only way this rapidly growing social angst will be solved will be blood letting: or, as you say, a Fascist state.

Which personally I have forecast and believed since circa 1978 as I watched the collapse of parliamentary democracy and electoral representation and the accountability of professional politicians.

One can push the mainly stoical brits so far and so far only.

Flashpoint is now not too far away.

Be interested to hear any estimates you have until the argy bargy commences.

Personally, I think there will be a Yugoslavia style civil war within thirty years at the most - assuming that radical action isn't taken soon.

[I_Claudius]

I extend you the courtesy to both read what your write: and follow the thread.

Kindly reciprocate!

That's a pretty clumsy sentence but I think I see what you're on about

I'm not sure I see anywhere on this thread where you build a case that the "the middle of the road WASP nice family guy is increasingly aligning with the Far Right groups"

[Guest Skinty]

Cm on Skinty!

JFK was pres. of the most powerful state in the World, with the most powerful missiles systems and war machine.

And the most cash.

I wasn't saying that reading "The Guns of August" will help our situation or that the cuban missile crisis is in anyway similar to what's happening now. I was countering the statement that history always dictates. It does not,

Nor am I making any statement as to how likely it is that we will find a peaceful resolution. I am not making any predictions about what will happen. All I am saying is that a peaceful resolution is possible. We just need the will and the right politicians.

As the saying goes, history does not repeat, but it does rhyme. We always have a choice. Saying otherwise is to abdicate responsibility.

[Prescience]

][/b]That's a pretty clumsy sentence but I think I see what you're on about

And that is intended to be an example of a good sentence?

I'm not sure I see anywhere on this thread where you build a case that the "the middle of the road WASP nice family guy is increasingly aligning with the Far Right groups"

FFS!

Re-read the bit of your post in bold!

So busy trying to be smart you miss the point.

Again.

[I_Claudius]

And that is intended to be an example of a good sentence?

no it's not.

but then i'm not the overly verbose pedant who keeps banging on about poor use of language either.

FFS!

Re-read the bit of your post in bold!

So busy trying to be smart you miss the point.

Again.

Reread the bit of my post you refer to; there's a very good chance I'm being obtuse but I still have no idea what you're basing that statement on.

am i missing something?

[Prescience]

Be interested to hear any estimates you have until the argy bargy commences.

Personally, I think there will be a Yugoslavia style civil war within thirty years at the most - assuming that radical action isn't taken soon.

I personally feel, taking into account my research and speaking to average sorts of root and branch Brits, that as the economic situation worsens and then accelerates and increasing rump of unemployed through no fault of their own and no desire to be placed in such a situation will seek scapegoats.

Their targets are quite obvious.

Government will react by rapid recruitment of private security outfits (Already happened - they can now issue on the spot fines!) as sort of anti-demo, anti-riot ersatz police.

Ergo Neo-Fascism.

Meanwhile expect swift sectarian mobs to burn, loot and beat up people in specific areas and then evaporate. Which will cause reprisals.

Timescale?

How long will it be for Gov ernment to pay down its debt and the fall out from Quantitative Easing?

Five years: Ten years?

There's the timescale.

Listen to some pragmatism today (BBC Radio Four, The World at One, Terry Smith on the economy: he's from Tullet's. Sane man.)

The Gilt auction tomorrow may prove a seminal event!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ly610

[subby]

how did I miss that? Sharia law via tribunals already here? :angry:

That shouldn't be allowed. British law should be absolute. It is only going to go one way now.

[Guest Skinty]

How is the right politician going to reverse the Sharia courts which are courrently operating in the UK then Skinty?

I'm just repeating a post I made a few months ago about how it is possible but unfortunately the search function doesn't seem to give me any results from this year. In essence:

Politicans could stop unfettered immigration and could make sure that the law of the land is enforced.

We could work through the back log of immigration requests and start sending the illegals back.

We could stop state funding for faith schools.

We could make sure that the school curriculum is enforced.

We could remove the army of interpreters for all services so that people have to learn the native language.

Essentially we could stop pandering to immigrants who do not integrate.

You seem to be suggesting that the authorities are now powerless and that vigilante action is the only option available to us. Do you really think this? Are you saying that the above options are not available to us (I am not interested in an answer as to how likely this is) ?

Don't mistake the incompetence of the current government with what is and is not possible.