Mikhail Liebenstein Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here we go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finance...-recession.html A good article. In my view most of what has gone wrong with the system is down to the removal of common sense and experience which has replaced by faddish management theories from places like Harvard. During the boom companies have spent a fortune on: MBAs NLP training course Executive coaches Emotional Intelligence advisers. Frankly this is all a truck load of ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 "The low-hanging fruit, ie idiots whose parents paid for prep school, Yale and then the Harvard MBA, was there for the taking… All of this behaviour supporting the aristocracy only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other side of my trades. God bless America." I have often wondered if there is a dichotomy between exam success and a genuine ability to think. I suppose if you already know all the answers, why bother asking any questions? It reminds of a bumper sticker I saw once; "Got a question?- Ask a teenager quick, while they still know everthing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) Here we go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finance...-recession.htmlA good article. In my view most of what has gone wrong with the system is down to the removal of common sense and experience which has replaced by faddish management theories from places like Harvard. During the boom companies have spent a fortune on: MBAs NLP training course Executive coaches Emotional Intelligence advisers. Frankly this is all a truck load of ******** I did an NLP course designed for sales people. It was sub-titled "how to pick up women in bars". It covers various things most of which could be classified under "really creepy things to do that make people feel at ease and trust you"... Edited February 16, 2009 by TaxAbuserOfTheWeek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Melchett Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here we go: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finance...-recession.htmlA good article. In my view most of what has gone wrong with the system is down to the removal of common sense and experience which has replaced by faddish management theories from places like Harvard. During the boom companies have spent a fortune on: MBAs NLP training course Executive coaches Emotional Intelligence advisers. Frankly this is all a truck load of ******** I have to agree; Mine was a complete waste of time, and probably directly led to me getting the sack from the employer who funded it. All I'm good for now is making smart arsed comments on internet forums. All prospective MBA students out there: Dont do it. Waste of time and effort; You've either got the contacts anyway or you havent, and no one gives a toss about anything else you might get out of an MBA course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Frankly this is all a truck load of ******** Couldn't agree more. I think MBAs and many other pointless qualifications exist to be used as an easy 'differentiator' by HR departments. You have 10 applicants for the position and you simply pick the 3 with MBAs to get interviewed. Difficult to say where the racket started - the universities and colleges make piles of cash from it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I have often wondered if there is a dichotomy between exam success and a genuine ability to think. I suppose if you already know all the answers, why bother asking any questions?It reminds of a bumper sticker I saw once; "Got a question?- Ask a teenager quick, while they still know everthing." If you haven't read the letter from Andrew Lahde that quote is taken from, you should... it's quite funny and just a bit true: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/10/17...s-out-in-style/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theboltonfury Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Couldn't agree more.I think MBAs and many other pointless qualifications exist to be used as an easy 'differentiator' by HR departments. You have 10 applicants for the position and you simply pick the 3 with MBAs to get interviewed. Difficult to say where the racket started - the universities and colleges make piles of cash from it as well. Also couldn't agree more. Although I doubt anyone in HR could spot a differentiator if it smacked them square in the face whilst they were sending round a companywide email about a new and pointless holiday tracking system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispindry Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I did an NLP course designed for sales people.It was sub-titled "how to pick up women in bars". It covers various things most of which could be classified under "really creepy things to do that make people feel at ease and trust you"... LOL. Had some customers that teach NLP. I can't believe people buy into this sh1te. Never before have I met such a bunch of fooktards. You will be my friend. I will massage your ego. I agree, perhaps we should try this....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) I am biased, since I got booted out of Uni after 1 year for lazing about and doing no work. That puts me at risk of being an inverted snob when it comes to post-school qualifications. However, in my experience I must say that most MBAs are total arses and know next to nothing, yet some of them really are full of self-importance. General Melchett has clearly made a full recovery. Edited February 16, 2009 by bogbrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Foil Hat Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I did an NLP course designed for sales people.It was sub-titled "how to pick up women in bars". It covers various things most of which could be classified under "really creepy things to do that make people feel at ease and trust you"... Indeed, although an old employer, an awful US IT firm*, uses it as a matter of course in everything it does, to a cult-like degree and they're making millions as a result. TFH * not M$ or anyone you would likely have heard about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispindry Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Indeed, although an old employer, an awful US IT firm*, uses it as a matter of course in everything it does, to a cult-like degree and they're making millions as a result.TFH * not M$ or anyone you would likely have heard about .......don't get me started on NLP........pseudo-science.......frekkkfke%$£"% ........arghhhh my spud vein is popping out! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John51 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The coach says 'Don't cover your hand with your mouth, people will think you are lying'...should have said 'Stop being such a fraud'. We've educated people to be charlatans and have rewarded them for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 To be honest, if you want the best person possible get someone with a PhD in a proper subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Foil Hat Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 .......don't get me started on NLP........pseudo-science.......frekkkfke%$£"% ........arghhhh my spud vein is popping out! :angry: lol I should have explained. They're making millions because they are lieing to all their staff and clients. They never deliver as promised and wait until the client's too far committed then squeeze them for upgrade money to make it even 50% of the promised functions. I didn't get on too well there as I wasn't going to lie or suck their shite management techniques. NLP not being used for good and I hope they go under. TFH ɹǝʇlıɟ ɹɐǝʍs ƃuıʇunɔ ǝɥʇ ssɐdʎq oʇ ʍoɥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gitfinger Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 The FedEx MBA advertisement: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilly Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 .......don't get me started on NLP........pseudo-science.......frekkkfke%$£"% ........arghhhh my spud vein is popping out! :angry: ...and if you live in Suffolk four hundred thousand pounds of your council tax has recently been spent on NLP training for staff. Makes me want to spit. Who signs this b*****x off and decides it's good use of taxpayers' money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyOne Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 To be honest, if you want the best person possible get someone with a PhD in a proper subject. I usually agree with the things that you say. In this case I think that there is a risk that the engineers sometimes think that they are the architects. There are a lot of really bright people with very impressive academic credentials who are not able to cope with real life decision making. What I call the "I know that it works in practice but does it work in theory" syndrome ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) I usually agree with the things that you say.In this case I think that there is a risk that the engineers sometimes think that they are the architects. There are a lot of really bright people with very impressive academic credentials who are not able to cope with real life decision making. What I call the "I know that it works in practice but does it work in theory" syndrome ......... Like Gordon Brown. PS - I do recognise my own general crapness in the artistic and creative area and would extend my PhD comments to non science subjects, but not things like media studies. Some third order non linear differential equations or some Fourier or Laplace transforms and I am your man. Edited February 16, 2009 by mikelivingstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunderthine Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Oh how I hope to find an EA resorting to clumsy self taught NLP techniques some time soon, could really have some fun with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyOne Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Like Gordon Brown.PS - I do recognise my own general crapness in the artistic area and would extend my PhD comments to non science subjects, but not things like media studies. Give me some third order non linear differential equations or some Fourier or Laplace transforms and I am your man. I had already guessed at this part already ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Don't really know a lot about MBAs, but I'd probably give Michael Jordan a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_more_bull Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I have to agree; Mine was a complete waste of time, and probably directly led to me getting the sack from the employer who funded it. All I'm good for now is making smart arsed comments on internet forums. All prospective MBA students out there: Dont do it. Waste of time and effort; You've either got the contacts anyway or you havent, and no one gives a toss about anything else you might get out of an MBA course. Totally agree. Actually, the only thing more time wasting than an MBA is a part-time MBA. I did a part-time MBA and credit all my knowledge to practical experience and none to all those books of clichés that I was forces to devour. At least with a full-time MBA you get the opportunity to build a network. When doing part-time, you are too busy trying to juggle work and family as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Like Gordon Brown.PS - I do recognise my own general crapness in the artistic and creative area and would extend my PhD comments to non science subjects, but not things like media studies. Some third order non linear differential equations or some Fourier or Laplace transforms and I am your man. Do any of these help sell houses or cars on credit? If not you have no useful place in UK PLC. Can't you get software to do those sorts of things these days anyway? Will there be much use for Fourier once everything's gone proper digital? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffo the Bear Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I've found that NLP does actually work, but only when you express it in a subtle way on a personal level i.e. the art of being a convincing conversationalist. The NLP stuff that I've seen in 'training' and such like usually revolved around the espousing of cringeworthy corporate terminology in the vain attempt to make people take you seriously when you present them with something that's relatively incomprehensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispindry Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I usually agree with the things that you say.In this case I think that there is a risk that the engineers sometimes think that they are the architects. There are a lot of really bright people with very impressive academic credentials who are not able to cope with real life decision making. What I call the "I know that it works in practice but does it work in theory" syndrome ......... Don't get me started on architects *&*^**$(£*% ducking fivvies the lot. I was once asked ( in a previous incarnation) "why can't the electrical socket be next to this sink?" I know that's not what you meant but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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