Kyoto Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 We are currently being slated on Mumsnet. http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1062860-to-think-the-housepricecrash-forum?pg=1 I have just put a response on that forum that concludes with the point that we, on this forum, are affected by the same issues as, say, a young family or a young couple who might be represented on Mumsnet. Looking at the points raised in my post there (quoted below) why do you think they don't feel as angry about the things as we do? It seems as though we should be singing from the same hymn sheet. This thread may bomb but I thought the Mumsnet posters who were here last week contributed an interesting perspective so may be an interesting topic for discussion. I post regularly on HPC. We obviously have our nutty elements, but if you look beyond the surface, the arguments that underlie the site are quite reasonable and really do affect you guys more than you might realise. Here's a few: - The average person or family should be able to afford to buy a decent home for their families. This is verging on a basic human right and yet it's almost impossible to achieve in this country. - They should be able to achieve this without signing themselves up to 25 years of high mortgage payments. Our high house prices result in you paying 2 x asking price after interest payments, with the high repayments leave you at risk of repossession, interest rates, losing your job etc. Surely signing your life away to the bank is a horrible way to live? - If we are stuck in rented accomodation, that should be of high standard, and should come with appropriate guarantees such as long contracts, long notice periods, right to quiet enjoyment etc. - Only banks profit by high house prices. This idea of people celebrating house price rises (one of lifes most fundamental essentials) just strikes us all as bizarre. Are we so happy when the price of food or electricity rises? - There are too many people looking to profit at the expense of the working man. Bankers, the benefit classes, and those reviled buy to let landlords. We feel like we all go out and work our arses off, but everyone else seems to get ahead that bit easier by feeding off that hard work. The systems are stacked against the common man. - The last few governments are propping up that inflated housing market at the expense of other things they could be doing. - Why should houses (homes) be a speculative investment? Let traders and banks and investors trade other stuff with each other and leave housing to it's rightful role - keeping the rain off us. - All of the above contribute to much broader social problems. Lack of community, lack of mobility, the rich getting richer..... The thing is, these are issues that we all share with the Mumsnet crowd. If you're a family or a young couple, then each one of the above issues directly affects you. Indeed, I think I can speak for the HPC forum when I say we wonder why all of the above stuff doesn't make you more angry? I personally really appreciated the contributions and opinions of Mumsnet posters last week as it really bought home a different perspective on the same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/spending-review/8068591/RAF-police-and-welfare-budgets-to-bear-brunt-of-83bn-cuts.html Child benefit, which is already being axed for all higher-rate taxpayers from 2013, is likely to be terminated once a child reaches 16, instead of 19 at present, according to senior sources. that's going to piss in their vinegar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boom Boom Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Is it jam rag week on Mumsnet or something? Bunch of whining harpies the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardpsych Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 "There's an awful lot on that site spend rather too long banging one out on a single bed in a bedsit with cupboards full of tinned tuna." How did she know about the Tuna? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoto Posted October 16, 2010 Author Share Posted October 16, 2010 Is it jam rag week on Mumsnet or something? Bunch of whining harpies the lot of them. Way to make friends and influence people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Monk Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 No disrespect, but Mumsnet just flags up the general stupidity of women. Why would they want to pay more for something? Would these Mums be cheering because they had a tank of petrol which had cost £300 instead of £60? I won't register and post on their site, life is too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcellar Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Not sure which site they are actually reading. These comments made me laugh. I wonder where they are reading these things AlpinePony Fri 15-Oct-10 16:45:00 Whilst a few of their points are valid - these are, sadly in the majority, the type of men who think a Thai bride is where it's at due to her "size" and "knows her place" type attitude. hmm There's an awful lot on that site spend rather too long banging one out on a single bed in a bedsit with cupboards full of tinned tuna. AlpinePony Fri 15-Oct-10 18:51:17 Don't let on you're a woman. Not identifying my sex I'm applauded - if I reveal in my post I'm of the female variety I usually get a slagging along the lines of "you must be an ugly lesbian then". hmm So come on, who is the tuna eater and thinks all women are lesbians Oh its you BoomBoom. Got bored after those two comments, they were the only good ones on page 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkin Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I often print out pages from mumsnet incase I run low on toilet paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoto Posted October 16, 2010 Author Share Posted October 16, 2010 No disrespect, but Mumsnet just flags up the general stupidity of women. Lol, this thread proves everything they said. I shouldn't have bothered posting and wish I hadn't linked back here now. DOH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 How did she know about the Tuna? PMSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 "There's an awful lot on that site spend rather too long banging one out on a single bed in a bedsit with cupboards full of tinned tuna." How did she know about the Tuna? How did they know about my single bed? Proud to be one the "nutty elements" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackgoose Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I find it very distressing that one of the posters on that website has some very insulting RACIST and SEXIST comments about 'Thai brides'. One of the other posters afterwards says that racist or disabilist comments will not stand on their website without being challenged. But that comment was right below a RACIST comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 well, HPC seems to pander to a (typically but no exclusively male) mechanistic urge to analyse the world thru' economics and mumsnet seems to pander to a (typically but not exclusively female) emotive urge to analyse the world thru interpersonal relationships there's more to life than either of them, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 It is Saturday night - shouldn't DH being getting his weekly 'lucky night' by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcellar Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I find it very distressing that one of the posters on that website has some very insulting RACIST and SEXIST comments about 'Thai brides'. One of the other posters afterwards says that racist or disabilist comments will not stand on their website without being challenged. But that comment was right below a RACIST comment. I spotted the irony too. Guess it was missed by mumsnetters, not sure how though??? Actually, I don't recall racism on 'this' site at all. I think it would get stamped on very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcellar Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 It is Saturday night - shouldn't DH being getting his weekly 'lucky night' by now? DH is over on HPC and then counting his tins if tuna before browsing an online catalogue of brides and wishing he could trade in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Monk Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Lol, this thread proves everything they said. I shouldn't have bothered posting and wish I hadn't linked back here now. DOH! Fair comment. The vast majority of HPC posters are males who support affordable housing. The vast majority of Mumsnet members are females who support unaffordable housing. Let's leave it at that. Factual and non-opinionated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 Ironic really reading the comments, they accuse this place of being full of vile tossers yet all I read there were unpleasant and sexist insults. Talk about pot and kettle. They do have a point though, why do we end up with so many links to their threads? Their site has a huge forum for chat about everything by the look of it, much like mse. That makes it pretty easy to find a thread or a dim poster to pick on but whats the point? It doesnt gain anything. Some of them sound pretty dim but I guess they are only just waking up to what is going on and starting to learn. We all started somewhere. We do look like a bunch of tossers though, laughing at their dimmest posters and linking to their threads. I can't see anyone trolling on there but if anyone does go over it would be worth passing on some of the more relevant info/charts/links that would help out. I have to admit though, I just registered there to post some stuff but after a few minutes decided that I had no idea where to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongeh Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 It's like having to choose whether you'd set up home with Moss or Roy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilroy Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 PMSL PSML? How do they know about that Lehman's mortgage shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Monk Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I just can't understand why Kyoto, who posts so sensibly on here, cannot replicate her behaviour on Mumsnet, and point out to her fellow Mumsnet members that unaffordable housing is not good for them or their families. Perhaps they wouldn't be able to understand it, I don't know. They have the chance to prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 It is Saturday night - shouldn't DH being getting his weekly 'lucky night' by now? Not forgetting the birthday BJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I just can't understand why Kyoto, who posts so sensibly on here, cannot replicate her behaviour on Mumsnet, and point out to her fellow Mumsnet members that unaffordable housing is not good for them or their families. I thought Kyoto was a bloke??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I think sometimes persons on here get carried away and it does reflect badly on all of us here.... However these particular ladies don't make it easy for themselves do they? It was in response to a thread I started a few days ago, having a good moan about being fed up in a small house. Someone from that delightful site found my thread and started a thread over there headed "another mumsnet classic" and the whole thing was basically slagging me and my thread off. There were a few people who said they sympathised with my situation, but the majority of the comments were really awful and I actually cried blush when I read it. They were horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted October 16, 2010 Share Posted October 16, 2010 I think sometimes persons on here get carried away and it does reflect badly on all of us here.... However these particular ladies don't make it easy for themselves do they? Actually reading stuff about yourself on the internet sometimes isn't pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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