MrPin Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Heavy right foot?...or just a crappy car? Both for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Bear Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 If the government don't like it they should stick an FTIR in the back of the car and monitor the emissions on a normal road run. Then tell the manufacturers they aren't meeting spec and ban future sales until compliance is hit or specs are changed. If the government set a test which doesn't capture real world conditions that is the fault of the government/test, not the manufacturer. My car is a superb example. It's a plug in hybrid which attracts a £5k grant from the government, produces 45g of carbon per km and does 150 mpg. The fact that the above is total bs is because of the way they test it. My super green car actually does about 28mpg (repeatably) which means it is using almost exactly twice as much fuel as a typical modern diesel. Saving the planet though. Funny, your super green car seems to do about the same as my super ungreen 5 liter ISF! Seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Funny, your super green car seems to do about the same as my super ungreen 5 liter ISF! Seriously Five ******ing litres! My buttocks explode with delight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Bear Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Five ******ing litres! My buttocks explode with delight! Thought it would meet with your approval, Mr. Pin. Only had it a month or so but am very happy. Very differnt from the Exige and I suspect that it may be more difficult to avoid scoring points. Now, if only I had the space and the money for both the ISF and the Exige... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 I've mentioned this before ( from 2 yrs ago) The Diesel Decade Costing the Earth http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r9h as Hpc'er Kurt Barlow quoted. ..Diesel could be the asbestos of the 00s The Diesel Decade Costing the Earth Listen in pop-out player http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r9h The air quality in our towns and cities has remained stubbornly filthy over the last ten years despite tightening regulations on the poisonous emissions our cars can legally belch out. That means more lung disease and more heart attacks. New research is pointing the finger of suspicion at the dramatic rise in the number of diesel vehicles on our roads. Take a look at the data from car manufacturers and it seems that diesel engines are getting significantly cleaner. Independent monitoring suggests something very different- real cars driven in the real world can emit up to five times more of some pollutants than the manufacturers claim. Tom Heap investigates the source of our pavement pollution www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r9h If the government don't like it they should stick an FTIR in the back of the car and monitor the emissions on a normal road run. Then tell the manufacturers they aren't meeting spec and ban future sales until compliance is hit or specs are changed.If the government set a test which doesn't capture real world conditions that is the fault of the government/test, not the manufacturer.My car is a superb example. It's a plug in hybrid which attracts a £5k grant from the government, produces 45g of carbon per km and does 150 mpg.The fact that the above is total bs is because of the way they test it. My super green car actually does about 28mpg (repeatably) which means it is using almost exactly twice as much fuel as a typical modern diesel. Saving the planet though. Tests have to based on averages. I find www.Fuelly.com useful for real world mpg averages (when using it, make sure you select "Uk" on top of "browse vehicle" page) . 3 Vw's in the top 10 - http://www.fuelly.com/car Top 10 Cars Volkswagen Jetta (8,690) Honda Civic (5,830) Volkswagen Golf (4,493) Toyota Tacoma (4,451) Toyota Prius (3,997) Honda Accord (3,561) Mazda 3 (3,534) Ford Focus (3,058) Volkswagen Passat (2,655) Toyota Corolla (2,444) If someone drives a big engined, heavy car & canes it like a boy racer with a death wish, they are most always going to a big polluter. That's fine if you want to wait until the entire car is built before you test the engine.I need to find out exactly what is being alleged against Volkswagen. What I do know is that hitting both pollution and efficiency specs on diesels is so difficult under the current legislation it's difficult to see the major companies taking it too much further from here. I hr ago.... VW software scandal: chief apologises for breaking public trust http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/20/vw-software-scandal-chief-apologises-for-breaking-public-trust Nine out of 10 new diesel cars exceed EU pollution limits, report finds http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/14/nine-out-of-10-new-diesel-cars-in-breach-of-eu-pollution-rules-report-finds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronyx Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 I don't feel so bad for ripping the EGR and cat. out of my Berlingo now. Actually, that's a lie, I didn't feel bad in the first place. What's good for the goose is good for giving me 5 more mpg, or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 If someone drives a big engined, heavy car & canes it like a boy racer with a death wish, they are most always going to a big polluter. True enough, the batteries make hybrids very heavy, my PHEV is about 2.5 tons with a 2ltr petrol engine. I wouldn't quite say I cane it but I do a lot of motorway driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 True enough, the batteries make hybrids very heavy, my PHEV is about 2.5 tons with a 2ltr petrol engine. I wouldn't quite say I cane it but I do a lot of motorway driving. You can borrow my Mustang Libby. It does 33 mpg, but plastic bits fall off. It's 0nly turning at 2000 rpm at legal speeds. It's actually surprisingly economical, and makes a good noise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 You can borrow my Mustang Libby. It does 33 mpg, but plastic bits fall off. It's 0nly turning at 2000 rpm at legal speeds. It's actually surprisingly economical, and makes a good noise! Sounds like true American Classic Mr P. Is it leaf sprung with good ol fashion carbs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Sounds like true American Classic Mr P. Is it leaf sprung with good ol fashion carbs? It's all fuel injected from 1990. No leaf springs! When they got their **** in gear, and reasonable horsepower. It's quite a small car too! I am intending to to keep the old b*gger going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 True enough, the batteries make hybrids very heavy, my PHEV is about 2.5 tons with a 2ltr petrol engine. I wouldn't quite say I cane it but I do a lot of motorway driving. Is it the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV ? I f so, I was impressed with the good value of PHEV option being same price as diesel . I heard on release It was only Hybrid to be able to tow without invalidating warranty (1.5t i think) Though there may now be others Does seem rather low, but cruising at 80 must hammer it. Not many on Fuelly to compare www.fuelly.com/car/mitsubishi/outlander?engineconfig_id=&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=74864 Still 20-30% better than a Discovery at your 28 mpg http://www.fuelly.com/car/land_rover/discovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Is it the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV ? I f so, I was impressed with the good value of PHEV option being same price as diesel . I heard on release It was only Hybrid to be able to tow without invalidating warranty (1.5t i think) Though there may now be others Does seem rather low, but cruising at 80 must hammer it. Not many on Fuelly to compare It is indeed the Mitsubishi, and yes you can tow with them (200bhp so not short on grunt). I was surprised at how many people claim good mileage with them at your link.. They must be using them as short trip commuter cars and plugging in frequently. I ran mine a lot on "recharge" to start with which probably didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Five ******ing litres! My buttocks explode with delight! VW do some nice big engines 5.0 v10 diesel and 6.0 w12 petrol are both pretty good, I have to admit - I'm about to embark on some open heart surgery on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 VW do some nice big engines 5.0 v10 diesel and 6.0 w12 petrol are both pretty good, I have to admit - I'm about to embark on some open heart surgery on the latter. That's a naughty car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 VW do some nice big engines 5.0 v10 diesel and 6.0 w12 petrol are both pretty good, I have to admit - I'm about to embark on some open heart surgery on the latter. What are you doing to it? Must be pretty complicated in there- does it share many parts with the 3.0 V6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygivenup Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I don't feel so bad for ripping the EGR and cat. out of my Berlingo now. Actually, that's a lie, I didn't feel bad in the first place. What's good for the goose is good for giving me 5 more mpg, or something. Vosa are getting a little excited about cats being removed, it's a RFR (reason for rejection) these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Bloomberg were reporting the share price is down 20 odd percent this morning. That's pretty "Ouch" for a company the size of VW. Lot of big companies finding the US a very risky market to venture into. Wonder if others will take heed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Bear Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 VW do some nice big engines 5.0 v10 diesel and 6.0 w12 petrol are both pretty good, I have to admit - I'm about to embark on some open heart surgery on the latter. Where are you, I'd love to see the clockwork bits of one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Aren't vw the car brand of choice for sincere do-gooders who also like iPhones and despise capitalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 VW do some nice big engines 5.0 v10 diesel and 6.0 w12 petrol are both pretty good, I have to admit - I'm about to embark on some open heart surgery on the latter. Is that from a VW Poseidon ? Don't get lost in there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Trade wars VW becoming ever more popular in the US especially diesels I can only guess but they must be running a different engine map when the car is stationary This. Bernanke warned germany over their c/a surpluses months ago. What goes around comes around....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blobloblob Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 bloke on the radio was saying it's been known for a long time that many other manufacturer's cars exhibit similar test results. Could be many more of these yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 bloke on the radio was saying it's been known for a long time that many other manufacturer's cars exhibit similar test results. Could be many more of these yet. I pretty sure this is just an excuse for the US to extract as much money as possible from VW. If US manufacturers get clobbered even half as much as VW I'll eat my words and happily wipe the egg from my face. Why else target diesel after all.. I bet they could uncover similar fiddling with petrol if they tried hard enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 VW do some nice big engines 5.0 v10 diesel and 6.0 w12 petrol are both pretty good, I have to admit - I'm about to embark on some open heart surgery on the latter.Show off. You didn't take up your Bentley CGT challenge did you? I can't see you in a phaeton. "anyone for a Werthers?" Nor as Jason Statham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme2 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I pretty sure this is just an excuse for the US to extract as much money as possible from VW. If US manufacturers get clobbered even half as much as VW I'll eat my words and happily wipe the egg from my face. Why else target diesel after all.. I bet they could uncover similar fiddling with petrol if they tried hard enough. I'll join you on that one. On face value with what has been presented this situation sounds more like a case of extortion. This is NOTHING compared to the lies, deceit and pure financial gangsterism that ran (and still does) through the US financial system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.