Bbc Diversity Quotas

[Bloo Loo]

I have some sympathy with this view. A big problem in Silicon Valley apparently where young white chaps is the norm. It turns out they tend to build products which are appealing to young white chaps in the US.

Is it because the US is mostly white also?

[SarahBell]

Don't get me wrong, I have spent the majority of my career managing and so understanding how to get the best of teams and the best way to start is to have a mixed team. Ideally 50:50 men women and a mixture of old and young. That way you don't get the problem of cliques, blokes spending all Monday morning talking about football and women endlessly relating family news.

Indeed.

There are some teams that are made up of grumpy old men who are competently unbearable and insist on making everyone else's life miserable too.

[Frank Hovis]

Indeed.

There are some teams that are made up of grumpy old men who are competently unbearable and insist on making everyone else's life miserable too.

Your allotments you mean! Totally agree.

Having a mixture means that people start automatically making allowance for not everybody thinking in the same way that they do; rather than just reinforcing their own worldviews with like minded people and getting even more awkward and set in their ways.

[richc]

How's that a good business case? You can understand your customer without employing them.

Don't get me wrong, I have spent the majority of my career managing and so understanding how to get the best of teams and the best way to start is to have a mixed team. Ideally 50:50 men women and a mixture of old and young. That way you don't get the problem of cliques, blokes spending all Monday morning talking about football and women endlessly relating family news.

But I have arrived at this through experience, not through an assumption that I ought to replicate the general populace in my teams. It works in that my teams usually won (where there was such a thing) team of the year awards.

In arriving at this I did discriminate; sometimes I wanted a female candidate, sometimes a male. I would however always recruit an outstanding candidate whoever they were.

This works for me, in an office. I do not then go on to think that because it has worked for me that it needs to be imposed upon everybody. Having women as frontline infantry, for example, is mad.

The point is that diversity programmes shouldn't just be a box-ticking exercise. They have to be thought through, and they need to relate to what the organization is trying to achieve. Otherwise, it is just a waste of time and money.

[MrPin]

Your allotments you mean! Totally agree.

Having a mixture means that people start automatically making allowance for not everybody thinking in the same way that they do; rather than just reinforcing their own worldviews with like minded people and getting even more awkward and set in their ways.

That's the world of work I have known.

[Guest eight]

Some bloke on the London Marathon is really taking the piss - He's called Ken and Lisa Bekele. At least I think that's what Brendan Foster's saying.

it makes a lot of sense to understand who your customer is and the easiest way to do that is to hire people who are similar to your customers.

How would that work for Iceland, Primark etc? Once you've employed an unemployed chav they're not unemployed anymore, are they....

[Frank Hovis]

The point is that diversity programmes shouldn't just be a box-ticking exercise. They have to be thought through, and they need to relate to what the organization is trying to achieve. Otherwise, it is just a waste of time and money.

Ah, ok. Different point.

Yes, would go along with the idea of making your work force similar to your customers as they will think in similar ways.

Though this brings us back to the point made earlier that if the BBC was actually doing that then their workforce would be 99% over 50 and native British.

[Pole]

Do Poles, Lithuanians, Rumanians etc. get included in the BME quota. And Chinese?

All of the groups you mentioned come from nations which have statistically high IQ (thank you Stefan Molyneux!).

So, clearly they can't be seen as victims - don't have to be represented.

The biggest racists are the lefties - they view certain groups as inferior and want to protect and support them. That's racism in my opinion. But they won't admit it.

I view nobody as inferior and expect everybody to compete with no extra help. Paradoxically, according to some people that makes me a racist!

[Bloo Loo]

The point is that diversity programmes shouldn't just be a box-ticking exercise. They have to be thought through, and they need to relate to what the organization is trying to achieve. Otherwise, it is just a waste of time and money.

Its the thinking that PC police object too.

If a firm decided Diversity didnt apply to them, then no boxes ticked, re-education follows along with no contracts.

[Bloo Loo]

All of the groups you mentioned come from nations which have statistically high IQ (thank you Stefan Molyneux!).

So, clearly they can't be seen as victims - don't have to be represented.

The biggest racists are the lefties - they view certain groups as inferior and want to protect and support them. That's racism in my opinion. But they won't admit it.

I view nobody as inferior and expect everybody to compete with no extra help. Paradoxically, according to some people that makes me a racist!

they wont simply not admit facts...they will vehemently DENY them.

[MrPin]

All of the groups you mentioned come from nations which have statistically high IQ (thank you Stefan Molyneux!).

So, clearly they can't be seen as victims - don't have to be represented.

The biggest racists are the lefties - they view certain groups as inferior and want to protect and support them. That's racism in my opinion. But they won't admit it.

I view nobody as inferior and expect everybody to compete with no extra help. Paradoxically, according to some people that makes me a racist!

I warm to your views. The only reason I recomend someone for employment, is that they can do the job. And will be nice to work with. I have no tick boxes.

[spyguy]

I disagree. There's often a good business case for having a diverse work force. My partner sometimes works with big corporates on diversity issues. For a consumer retail company, it makes a lot of sense to understand who your customer is and the easiest way to do that is to hire people who are similar to your customers. Last year, my partner was working with a big dairy operation which was almost entirely male (and losing money), and one of the few women who worked there made the argument that they didn't need a more diverse work force. It seemed to never cross her mind that the vast majority of milk is bought by women (or that simply producing a commodity product with no thought towards how to market it other than accepting the price offered by Tesco was maybe not a good strategy).

Having said that, a lot of people who work on diversity issues in the corporate world have zero interest in making a real business case for these programmes. It's pure SJW holier-than-thou BS. For the non-SJW, it's just another box-ticking exercise. The BBC is a case in point. They actively get rid of anyone over the age of 40 when their median viewer is over the age of 60.

Strongly disagree with the above.

Companies need to understand their products and market. Having views from the retailer and customer will help. Those views onlky need to be as diverse as the current and potential market place are.

Why in fck bother with Muslim opinions if you have a brewery - other than most drink on the sly.

In the case of your dairy, most problems are dfownto milk being a commodity,produced by a bunch of idiot farmers

[spyguy]

All of the groups you mentioned come from nations which have statistically high IQ (thank you Stefan Molyneux!).

So, clearly they can't be seen as victims - don't have to be represented.

The biggest racists are the lefties - they view certain groups as inferior and want to protect and support them. That's racism in my opinion. But they won't admit it.

I view nobody as inferior and expect everybody to compete with no extra help. Paradoxically, according to some people that makes me a racist!

We need to get poor, white boys classified as a race.

[StainlessSteelCat]

Is it because the US is mostly white also?

I don't think it is just that. Also the US is not mostly young white men. Here's why the only the black engineer in a leadership position at Twitter left:

http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/03/twitter-engineering-manager-leslie-miley-leaves-company-because-of-diversity-issues/

OK, it could be a disgruntled employee mouthing off. But not let's not forget that many of these US companies have global ambitions which they'll struggle to fulfil without a less insular outlook. We were looking at one SAAS recently and it turned out they couldn't cope with UK pounds, or postcodes - and couldn't really see why that was a problem either. Now that may not be the result of a lack of diversity regarding ethnicity, gender etc - but it does imply a certain level of groupthink which might have been avoided had they had a more obviously diverse workforce.

[spyguy]

I don't think it is just that. Also the US is not mostly young white men. Here's why the only the black engineer in a leadership position at Twitter left:

http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/03/twitter-engineering-manager-leslie-miley-leaves-company-because-of-diversity-issues/

OK, it could be a disgruntled employee mouthing off. But not let's not forget that many of these US companies have global ambitions which they'll struggle to fulfil without a less insular outlook. We were looking at one SAAS recently and it turned out they couldn't cope with UK pounds, or postcodes - and couldn't really see why that was a problem either. Now that may not be the result of a lack of diversity regarding ethnicity, gender etc - but it does imply a certain level of groupthink which might have been avoided had they had a more obviously diverse workforce.

He did not leave, he was cut, along with a fair few others.

US tech companies have *lots* of Asians, they do not discriminate against non-whites. They discriminate on skills

US blacks gave a problem as the dumb quotas system is putting blacks into arts asnd humanities degrees, rather than eng ones.

Black Americans Ned to focvus on hard subjects at school rather than gerrymandering uni entrance. Asians are discriminated ast us jnisentrance, more so than Jews were 40 50 years ago.

[Bloo Loo]

Ive been following a Silicon valley firm who claim to have produced female Viagra. Hailed as a breakthrough by a WOMAN in SV, the drug didnt work, had numerous side effects. articles followed how this woman made it to billionaire status in spite of being a woman.

Turns out she was covering up the failures, the side effects and everything else so to make her name.

Members of her board were a watch list of globalists from the military, leading much speculation that the company actually was involved in defence chemicals, hiding itself behind the public facade of a female made good in a mans world...if only adyii actually worked, it would have been the perfect front.

[Bloo Loo]

He did not leave, he was cut, along with a fair few others.

US tech companies have *lots* of Asians, they do not discriminate against non-whites. They discriminate on skills

US blacks gave a problem as the dumb quotas system is putting blacks into arts asnd humanities degrees, rather than eng ones.

Black Americans Ned to focvus on hard subjects at school rather than gerrymandering uni entrance. Asians are discriminated ast us jnisentrance, more so than Jews were 40 50 years ago.

indeed, from the article linked: A particular low moment for Miley, he wrote, happened when he asked a question at Twitter’s engineering leadership meeting about what specific steps Twitter engineering was taking to increase diversity. Twitter’s senior VP of Engineering responded, “diversity is important, but we won’t lower the bar.” Miley did not name names in his post. A visit to the leadership page on Twitter’s website will reveal that the company’s SVP of engineering is Alex Roetter.

[Executive Sadman]

He did not leave, he was cut, along with a fair few others.

US tech companies have *lots* of Asians, they do not discriminate against non-whites. They discriminate on skills

US blacks gave a problem as the dumb quotas system is putting blacks into arts asnd humanities degrees, rather than eng ones.

Black Americans Ned to focvus on hard subjects at school rather than gerrymandering uni entrance. Asians are discriminated ast us jnisentrance, more so than Jews were 40 50 years ago.

Yup. You know its not discrimination against blacks as black africans immigrants to america (not african americans who can trace their ancestry back to slavery) do fine or even outperform. Kenyans, nigerians, Ugandans, etc. I find it quite telling the first 'black president' of the US has not a drop of slave blood in him, but is the progeny of a likely rather high IQ east-african.

The biggest problem "african americans" face is not their skin colour, if it was new african immigrants would fail too, but the utterly toxic effects of post 1970s degenerate african american culture.

http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

[spyguy]

Dodgy cocktail waiter or not, Crosby had a point. Chris Rock too. Even IceT and DrDre - look after your kids.

[Frank Hovis]

I'm not disagreeing with your point but, muslims aside, new immigrants often do outperform in many ways as they are grateful to be accepted into a new country and want to give something back.

[spyguy]

A lot come from countries where education is poor andxpensive. And get English thrown in for free.

Slovak friend went nuts when a she found out school was trying to get Slovak books. He's there to be fluent in English. He speaks Slovak at home and ast her parents.

[spyguy]

Ive been following a Silicon valley firm who claim to have produced female Viagra. Hailed as a breakthrough by a WOMAN in SV, the drug didnt work, had numerous side effects. articles followed how this woman made it to billionaire status in spite of being a woman.

Turns out she was covering up the failures, the side effects and everything else so to make her name.

Members of her board were a watch list of globalists from the military, leading much speculation that the company actually was involved in defence chemicals, hiding itself behind the public facade of a female made good in a mans world...if only adyii actually worked, it would have been the perfect front.

That sounds more like Theranos, what a cluster fvk of morons.

[winkie]

All of the groups you mentioned come from nations which have statistically high IQ (thank you Stefan Molyneux!).

So, clearly they can't be seen as victims - don't have to be represented.

The biggest racists are the lefties - they view certain groups as inferior and want to protect and support them. That's racism in my opinion. But they won't admit it.

I view nobody as inferior and expect everybody to compete with no extra help. Paradoxically, according to some people that makes me a racist!

Intelligence is good as long as it is humble intelligence.

[porca misèria]

The truth is that most leaders/managers/supervisors are in it for the power. So, they'll keep implementing anything as long as it makes them feel important.

[porca misèria]

I have some sympathy with this view. A big problem in Silicon Valley apparently where young white chaps is the norm. It turns out they tend to build products which are appealing to young white chaps in the US.

Anyone in Silicon Valley who gets it wrong will sink without trace. Those who we've heard of tend to be the ones who are doing well, which implies they're doing something right.

FWIW, when I worked for one of Silicon Valley's biggest and most illustrious companies, my boss and a high proportion of my other colleagues were, racially speaking, of Asian origin.