New London Rail Prices Scandal - Ken Boasts

[Elizabeth]

Possibly a bit off topic, but did anyone see this. 3 quid to take a tube. Why is red Ken, leader of the workers in the free world, forcing the poorest (because who else buys a one way ticket?) to pay for the Olympics? How does this add to the overall value and affordability of living in London when housing takes up 1/2 your income and public transport... takes up another 10%

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

Why is red Ken, leader of the workers in the free world

Because the revolutionary has annointed himself The Tsar of London.

[AgeingBabyBoomer]

I seem to remember good ol Red Ken made a flat fare across

Greater London of 20p.

Thatchers cronies hauled him through the courts to get it

put back up.

ABB

[Grime- skint wouldbe ftb]

But the people of London keep voting for this piece of work.

To understand why you have to look at the demographics of the place.

Its a disaster and its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better.

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

Its a disaster and its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better.

The reason I will eventually move across the border. :angry:

[Fancypants]

The reason I will eventually move across the border. :angry:

what, into Essex?

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

what, into Essex?

Well it`s only 500yds to freedom.

[AgeingBabyBoomer]

But the people of London keep voting for this piece of work.

To understand why you have to look at the demographics of the place.

Its a disaster and its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better.

Partly helped by the lack of a credible opponent - one slobbering NuLab

drone, or one slobbering OldCon drone. A lettuce leaf and a ham sandwich

could have given him more of a run for his money.

ABB

Charlie - is that picture a young Charlie the Tramp on a donkey simulator?

[Elizabeth]

A lettuce leaf and a ham sandwich could have given him more of a run for his money.

Could you be more precise. I mean what do you REALLY mean?

[AgeingBabyBoomer]

An HPC first - somebody got my point

ABB

[dalek]

But the people of London keep voting for this piece of work.

To understand why you have to look at the demographics of the place.

Its a disaster and its going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets any better.

And don't forget the congestion charge. Before you all shout me down, I do think it's generally a good idea, but NOT for night workers who have no option but to take their cars in. I had a job recently in central London that started at 5pm (one and a half hours before charge ends) and finished 1.30am. No buses at that time of night, so I had to take car in - £120 a month in extra tax, basically! For the privilege of going to work. I was on £36,000 and pissed off by this, so imagine lower-paid workers having to pay out that. We have to vote this man out - he's intent on destroying London and couldn't give a f***k anymore for the workers. (no wonder, he earns £114,000 a year!)

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

Charlie - is that picture a young Charlie the Tramp on a donkey simulator?

That is a young Charlie on Muffin the Mule. Giraffe Cat used his/her skills to get him to poke his tongue out, if you look carefully. Just added onto the signature for my lady admirer on the forum.

Nostalgia Corner.

[AgeingBabyBoomer]

Yeah, I saw that. it was the uncanny similarity with your avatar

that prompted the question

ABB

[right_freds_dead]

Charlie - is that picture a young Charlie the Tramp on a donkey simulator

this is one of blueladys pastimes.

but why is the childs mouth bleeding ?

or can i sense and angry dad, wasting film trying to get you to sit up straight and pose for the camera gram and a child hyped up on 1920s scarborough candy floss. spare the rod, spoil the child i always say....

Edited October 4, 2005 by right_freds_dead

[ʎqɐqɹǝʞɐɥs]

Possibly a bit off topic, but did anyone see this. 3 quid to take a tube. Why is red Ken, leader of the workers in the free world, forcing the poorest (because who else buys a one way ticket?) to pay for the Olympics? How does this add to the overall value and affordability of living in London when housing takes up 1/2 your income and public transport... takes up another 10%

Because London house prices are set to rocket another 100%.

[zorn]

And don't forget the congestion charge. Before you all shout me down, I do think it's generally a good idea, but NOT for night workers who have no option but to take their cars in. I had a job recently in central London that started at 5pm (one and a half hours before charge ends) and finished 1.30am. No buses at that time of night, so I had to take car in - £120 a month in extra tax, basically! For the privilege of going to work. I was on £36,000 and pissed off by this, so imagine lower-paid workers having to pay out that. We have to vote this man out - he's intent on destroying London and couldn't give a f***k anymore for the workers. (no wonder, he earns £114,000 a year!)

There are lots of buses at 1:30am. Even if there was no night bus service to your home, you could certainly park somewhere outside the congestion charge zone and take a bus back to your car.

Possibly a bit off topic, but did anyone see this. 3 quid to take a tube. Why is red Ken, leader of the workers in the free world, forcing the poorest (because who else buys a one way ticket?) to pay for the Olympics? How does this add to the overall value and affordability of living in London when housing takes up 1/2 your income and public transport... takes up another 10%

The poorest take buses. It's mostly tourists who buy single Zone 1 tube tickets.

[Levy process]

Any stats on current passenger numbers on the tube? I have friends who report anectodatally that numbers are down since July. Could it be that the usual revenue from tickets has fallen, and they need to boost it?

[BoredTrainBuilder]

Any stats on current passenger numbers on the tube? I have friends who report anectdotally that numbers are down since July. Could it be that the usual revenue from tickets has fallen, and they need to boost it?

Tube numbers are marginally down from record highs. But there is always less traffic in the summer. October/November ar historically the highes traffic months.

To other points:

- there are loads of buses at night, and train and the tube run until after midnight and begin again at 0500 or 0600, no excuse to take a car.

- a tube ticket will be much less if you use an oyster card (less than now in many cases). Handling cash is very expensive, and its slows buses down and makes the drivers vulnerable to attack, getting rid pf cash is a good idea

- the charges still do not fully reflect the costs of the system. What is wrong with making people pay a substantial contribution to the services they use?

London seems to be improving and modernising steadily and notwithstanding the threat to it from disaffected northern muslims and the tax soak from less productive places and will continue to prop up the UK economy HPC or not.

Edited October 5, 2005 by BoredTrainBuilder

[backtoparents]

Tube numbers are marginally down from record highs. But there is always less traffic in the summer. October/November ar historically the highes traffic months.

To other points:

- there are loads of buses at night, and train and the tube run until after midnight and begin again at 0500 or 0600, no excuse to take a car.

- a tube ticket will be much less if you use an oyster card (less than now in many cases). Handling cash is very expensive, and its slows buses down and makes the drivers vulnerable to attack, getting rid pf cash is a good idea

- the charges still do not fully reflect the costs of the system. What is wrong with making people pay a substantial contribution to the services they use?

London seems to be improving and modernising steadily and notwithstanding the threat to it from disaffected northern muslims and the tax soak from less productive places and will continue to prop up the UK economy HPC or not.

Taking the cash system out of the vehicles will also mean drivers spending less time fiddling with change - should make journey times faster, less waiting for everyone. And once people have an oyster card, one hopes they will be more inclined to use it.

/G

[Nijo]

If only they would introduce pre-pay on the overland trains. It annoys me no end that I can't swipe my way through London Bridge (the travel cards work... why can't the pre-pay?).

[munimula]

Possibly a bit off topic, but did anyone see this. 3 quid to take a tube. Why is red Ken, leader of the workers in the free world, forcing the poorest (because who else buys a one way ticket?) to pay for the Olympics? How does this add to the overall value and affordability of living in London when housing takes up 1/2 your income and public transport... takes up another 10%

I discovered yesterday that this week it officially became impossible to get at weekly or monthly travelcard from a London Underground station - you now have to get an Oyster card. I wanted to avoid this as I've got a nice scam on avoiding fares (live in zone 6 but only buy 1-2 travelcard) and found that you can still get them from National Rail stations - for anyone that might be interested.

[Last Hun Standing]

I can't possibly condone someone evading train fares since there is both a moral and legal obligation.

Are oyster cards a means of monitoring the population or am I just being a tad paranoid? Is it linked to a database?

The identity card scheme, biometric passports, irresponsible spread of constant CCTV systems (no right to privacy in NuBritain), the shoot to kill policy of our beloved porkforce, the triangulation of mobile phones, putting tracking devices in our cars to pay by the mile, number plate recognition cameras on the motorways, retaining records of all phone calls and all emails etc. I can't help but think that the policies of the current government seem to be to abuse technology to take ever increasing control of people.

The benevolance of our government is clearly questionable, or am I alone in sensing a nasty fascist overtone to their version of bubbly socialismn.

[BoredTrainBuilder]

I can't possibly condone someone evading train fares since there is both a moral and legal obligation.

Are oyster cards a means of monitoring the population or am I just being a tad paranoid? Is it linked to a database?

The identity card scheme, biometric passports, irresponsible spread of constant CCTV systems (no right to privacy in NuBritain), the shoot to kill policy of our beloved porkforce, the triangulation of mobile phones, putting tracking devices in our cars to pay by the mile, number plate recognition cameras on the motorways, retaining records of all phone calls and all emails etc. I can't help but think that the policies of the current government seem to be to abuse technology to take ever increasing control of people.

The benevolance of our government is clearly questionable, or am I alone in sensing a nasty fascist overtone to their version of bubbly socialismn.

It's only a way of making the public transport system work more efficiently and limiting opportunities for parasitical thieves like munimula. If it makes it easier to track down bombers so much the better.

[murpaul]

I can't possibly condone someone evading train fares since there is both a moral and legal obligation.

Are oyster cards a means of monitoring the population or am I just being a tad paranoid? Is it linked to a database?

The identity card scheme, biometric passports, irresponsible spread of constant CCTV systems (no right to privacy in NuBritain), the shoot to kill policy of our beloved porkforce, the triangulation of mobile phones, putting tracking devices in our cars to pay by the mile, number plate recognition cameras on the motorways, retaining records of all phone calls and all emails etc. I can't help but think that the policies of the current government seem to be to abuse technology to take ever increasing control of people.

The benevolance of our government is clearly questionable, or am I alone in sensing a nasty fascist overtone to their version of bubbly socialismn.

Definately. This lot wouldnt know socialism if it headbutted them, I do feel they would fit right in in 1930's Germany, Stalins Russia or 1950's America.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/28/no...es_home_office/

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

Are oyster cards a means of monitoring the population or am I just being a tad paranoid? Is it linked to a database?

The Tsar of London likes to know where his subjects are travelling.

Any attempt to use a car and flash he`s got your registration, name and address, and what you ate for breakfast. He has more power than the old Stazi.