Guest UK Debt Slave Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Just seen this website, http://www.thebigsociety.co.uk/ Can't tell if it is some kind of genuine grassroots movement for ositive change, or a cynical establishment wank fest Anyone here have any more info? It's a con like everything else They'll just outsource big government to big corporations The Motorway road pricing initiative is a good example. The idea was floated by NM Rothschild Says it all really doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Damn it! If only we had put our faith in the Labour Party for another term, they'd have us out of this pickle by now. That's the problem we are between a rock and a hard place. Hobson choice. The labour party got us in this mess and the tories apart from bringing in almost slavery will not be getting us out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Stef, Stef is that you? I bet Stef wouldn't have been an anarchist if he had born Pretty and hung like a donkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 But until then its still an offer they are free to refuse. You should be happy. I would be, if they weren't prevented from doing all manner of things that put them in that position in the first place. I know you know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 But until then its still an offer they are free to refuse. You should be happy. Great Choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Great Choice Sorry, was I booking a holiday? I thought I was heckling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 It's a con like everything else They'll just outsource big government to big corporations The Motorway road pricing initiative is a good example. The idea was floated by NM Rothschild Says it all really doesn't it? no it doesn't - not really with you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Cook Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Just seen this website, http://www.thebigsociety.co.uk/ Can't tell if it is some kind of genuine grassroots movement for ositive change, or a cynical establishment ***** fest Anyone here have any more info? We rule you But, up until now, the deal has been that we buy you off with public services so you don't start getting restless. However, we can no longer afford to provide those services because we are too busy bailing our mates out. So, from now on, you're on your own folks. But we still rule you Edited July 20, 2010 by Steve Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snugglybear Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 it's just about money - the public sector have been paid very large salaries lately - as well as the chaitable sector funded by taxpayers replete with company cars and stuff - to supervise our lives, when historically that's what neighbours did, for a lot less wonga For a lot less wonga... Aye, there's the rub. Will we be paying less wonga to the Government? I don't think so. We will pay them the same, they will do less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I would be, if they weren't prevented from doing all manner of things that put them in that position in the first place. I know you know this. Offer made. Offer refused. The central tenet of your meanderings. What are they prevented from doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 We rule you But, up until now, the deal has been that we buy you off with public services to you so you don't start getting restless. However, we can no longer afford to provide those services because we are too busy bailing our mates out. So now your on your own folks. But we still rule you Yes, the trained to kill and ready to do so generation have almost passed. Without a wide dispersal of the ability (and willingness) to defend against attacks, and with the loss in most peoples minds of what actually is an attack all the goodies are going to be pulled away. Ah well, it'll all come back again when their "big banking society" dies on it's ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Offer made. Offer refused. The central tenet of your meanderings. What are they prevented from doing? You already know this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traktion Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Clearly there is no money, so something has to be tried. It will be interesting if it turns out to be any more than rhetoric. TBH though, anything which reduces the size of the state and makes things more voluntary is a good thing. Incidentally, I watched some politics show the other day and they were discussing foreign aid and how in the US, most of it comes from charities. One chap (private eye editor) suggested the UK government shouldn't be spending money on this and that it should be voluntary. The Guardian columnist disagreed and said that people wouldn't give enough. Excuse me!? Are you saying that with free choice, we wouldn't be spending money on this? People either will or they won't but that isn't for someone else to decide. This short exchange pretty much summed up the difference between the ideologies: the socialists think they know best and individuals should just do as they're told, under threat of imprisonment! :angry: If 'The Big Society' means that we get more choice and fewer pompous Fabians dictating how we should live our lives, then I'm all for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 You already know this as well. Not at all. I will declare that I am still cutting my teeth. You've got 30K posts to your name - very few of which are about crochet. I'm sure you could squeeze a few more out in the name of entertainment and indulgence. I sometimes believe I fit the criteria of anarchism better than you. For you to be an anarchist - you have to wrap yourself in the definition of "State" served to you by your alleged "Statists". Me - I assess things for what they are in themselves and see them to be chaotic already. You seem to be looking for "another" Order - not much different from the first. I suspect you are merely a "stat(e)ist" of another flavour. The world is full of 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Not at all. I will declare that I am still cutting my teeth. You've got 30K posts to your name - very few of which are about crochet. I'm sure you could squeeze a few more out in the name of entertainment and indulgence. I sometimes believe I fit the criteria of anarchism better than you. For you to be an anarchist - you have to wrap yourself in the definition of "State" served to you by your alleged "Statists". Me - I assess things for what they are in themselves and see them to be chaotic already. You seem to be looking for "another" Order - not much different from the first. I suspect you are merely a "stat(e)ist" of another flavour. The world is full of 'em. That's nice, dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Cook Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Clearly there is no money, so something has to be tried. It will be interesting if it turns out to be any more than rhetoric. TBH though, anything which reduces the size of the state and makes things more voluntary is a good thing. Incidentally, I watched some politics show the other day and they were discussing foreign aid and how in the US, most of it comes from charities. One chap (private eye editor) suggested the UK government shouldn't be spending money on this and that it should be voluntary. The Guardian columnist disagreed and said that people wouldn't give enough. Excuse me!? Are you saying that with free choice, we wouldn't be spending money on this? People either will or they won't but that isn't for someone else to decide. This short exchange pretty much summed up the difference between the ideologies: the socialists think they know best and individuals should just do as they're told, under threat of imprisonment! :angry: If 'The Big Society' means that we get more choice and fewer pompous Fabians dictating how we should live our lives, then I'm all for it! You are going to get less given back to you from your "contributions" to the state You are going to be required to "contribute" even more You are also going to be less free You are going to get very angry about the above situation Your anger will be "managed" Edited July 20, 2010 by Steve Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) That's nice, dear. That's okay, Mr Fact. You can take it to the Bank. Edit: bank needs a capital B Edited July 20, 2010 by Alan B'Stard MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Clearly there is no money, so something has to be tried. It will be interesting if it turns out to be any more than rhetoric. TBH though, anything which reduces the size of the state and makes things more voluntary is a good thing. Could you explain what is voluntary about forcing the unemployed to work in jobs that the state used to pay people to do for JSA ? If you can not see that this is what is going to happen i suggest that you wake up , as one day you might find yourself in that group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkers Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yes Heard Cameron spouting yesterday about charities taking up the work that the state used to do . Also was told yesterday that young people have to do 25 hours a week voluntary work to get their JSA , works out at being paid about 50p an hour. So the unemployed young are going to be working for JSA to provided the services that we pay our taxes to get. Its a CON Hang on, I don't get this. I am told I cannot volunteer or I will lose my JSA, but then I am forced to volunteer to get my JSA? But if the JSA forced me to volunteer, then they are forcing me to be not actively looking for work, which they the way my job centre has it, if I spend too long in the toilet I am not 'actively seeking work'. So to have any chance at volunteering, I have to be in work, which means I really don't have that much time to give. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 That's okay, Mr Fact. You can take it to the Bank. Edit: bank needs a capital B Of course it does. Tonkers -Hang on, I don't get this. I am told I cannot volunteer or I will lose my JSA, but then I am forced to volunteer to get my JSA? But if the JSA forced me to volunteer, then they are forcing me to be not actively looking for work, which they the way my job centre has it, if I spend too long in the toilet I am not 'actively seeking work'. So to have any chance at volunteering, I have to be in work, which means I really don't have that much time to give. This is about lowering your wages to that of the chindians. because the problem is you uppity labourers wanting to be actually paid for working and not these high house prices or any of this debt burden, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Of course it does. I'm glad you concur in tipping your hat to the real world effects the banking system has had on the total wealth in existence. We can discuss ownership of this wealth at a later date when you feel up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I'm glad you concur in tipping your hat to the real world effects the banking system has had on the total wealth in existence. We can discuss ownership of this wealth at a later date when you feel up to it. I agree, let's talk....later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hang on, I don't get this. I am told I cannot volunteer or I will lose my JSA, but then I am forced to volunteer to get my JSA? But if the JSA forced me to volunteer, then they are forcing me to be not actively looking for work, which they the way my job centre has it, if I spend too long in the toilet I am not 'actively seeking work'. So to have any chance at volunteering, I have to be in work, which means I really don't have that much time to give. Was told by a woman yesterday , that her 20 year old daughter now has to do 25 hours voluntary work in order to get her JSA. This is a new rule. Untill recently if you went to sign on and said you were doing voluntary work , they would have used it as an excuse not to pay you , saying that you were not activly looking for work while working in a voluntary post. That is now being changed they are forcing people to work for the JSA. Fits in very well with DC talking about a society where charity's take over from the state, the state are making sure that the staff are in place before they pull the rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Cook Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Of course it does. This is about lowering your wages to that of the chindians. because the problem is you uppity labourers wanting to be actually paid for working and not these high house prices or any of this debt burden, obviously. yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) I agree, let's talk....later. Is this a dysphemism for never ! It's okay, I submit. I'm afraid Its late, I've had my late night beer and am looking for a scrap, before bed, from the only internet "sole" who usually reciprocates with the required frequency. I guess in your neck of the woods brunch is still being served. I'm not even entirely sure what thread I am posting on - it could be about that fred elliiot bloke for all I know. Edited July 20, 2010 by Alan B'Stard MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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