Bloo Loo Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 There`s a free market in labour (or should be). Whenever I`ve been unhappy with a job I`ve quit and found a better one. exceeeeeept......, when you are in a highly paid job that is more or less double what you could earn elsewhere, and you just got a 6 times salary mortgage, leaving is not really an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) There`s a free market in labour (or should be). Whenever I`ve been unhappy with a job I`ve quit and found a better one. There's a free market in labour - whenever I've wanted a better service, I've generally had to pay more. Edited December 19, 2009 by Injin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthy Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Is it? I thought it was primarily over pay and conditions? No, it's primarily over the cuts to cabin crew. Pay and conditions is also a part of it. I'm not questioning whether they're right or wrong, just find it a bit odd to claim they should resign over being made redundant?! Edited December 19, 2009 by wealthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffk Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Is it? I thought it was primarily over pay and conditions? no wonder we are in a mess..this country is full of knobheads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blobloblob Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 If BA goes bust, who pays for the £3.7 billion black hole in their pension fund? Does the taxpayer cop for that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 If BA goes bust, who pays for the £3.7 billion black hole in their pension fund? Does the taxpayer cop for that too? More likely than not I would have thought. Isn't the 'private' sector wonderful? Privatise the profits but nationalise the losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Isn't the 'private' sector wonderful? Privatise the profits but nationalise the losses. And, uh, how does the private sector nationalise anything? It's the government who is stealing taxpayers' money to bail out failed companies; absent bloated socialist government, there would be no 'nationalisation of losses' because there would be no-one to 'nationalise' them. Yet you blame the private sector for yet more stupid government behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 And, uh, how does the private sector nationalise anything? It waits until it's about to collapse and ruin people's lives and then the State bails it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 It waits until it's about to collapse and ruin people's lives and then the State bails it out. The Pension fund belongs to the benefitiaries, not the company. It's the state decision to bail it. You are confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 The Pension fund belongs to the benefitiaries, not the company. It's the state decision to bail it. You are confused. And you're potty, and appear more so every time I read one of your rabid capitalist posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 So far as this dispute goes, is their contract being broken? If so they've not need to strike, they can sue. If it isn't, and the company has the contractual freedom to screw with their terms then they are on a hiding to nothing and will have to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 What's rabid and capitalist about the simple fact; the company doesn't get bailed, the benefitiaries do. I'm really sorry to break it to you and I realise it makes you sad, but you don't know what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 What's rabid and capitalist about the simple fact; the company doesn't get bailed, the benefitiaries do. I'm really sorry to break it to you and I realise it makes you sad, but you don't know what you're talking about. And you do? It's not the beneficiaries that get bailed out. It's the organisation that can't meet it's obligations that gets bailed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 So far as this dispute goes, is their contract being broken? If so they've not need to strike, they can sue. If it isn't, and the company has the contractual freedom to screw with their terms then they are on a hiding to nothing and will have to leave. How black and white your quaint little world is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 It waits until it's about to collapse and ruin people's lives and then the State bails it out. So, again how does _the private sector_ nationalise anything? You're even admitting that the state is responsible, yet continue to blame EVIL CAPITALISTS. I'm surprised you don't just say 'It's all Thatcher's fault!'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 So, again how does _the private sector_ nationalise anything? You're even admitting that the state is responsible, yet continue to blame EVIL CAPITALISTS. I'm surprised you don't just say 'It's all Thatcher's fault!'. You're arguing semantics and splitting hairs now. You know exactly what I mean. If the EVIL CAPITALISTS weren't so keen to put profit above long term stability there would be no need for the state to bail them out. The private sector deliberatly runs things into the ground knowing that any negative consequences of their actions will be borne by someone else. In a way I suppose they nationalise it by proxy, if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 How black and white your quaint little world is.... Contractual relationships tend to be. Not had much experience of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Contractual relationships tend to be. Not had much experience of them? Plenty and there's loads of wriggle room that keeps legal types amused for hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) You're arguing semantics and splitting hairs now. You know exactly what I mean. If the EVIL CAPITALISTS weren't so keen to put profit above long term stability there would be no need for the state to bail them out. The private sector deliberatly runs things into the ground knowing that any negative consequences of their actions will be borne by someone else. In a way I suppose they nationalise it by proxy, if you like. Spoken as only someone with no understanding of business could ever do. If you do have some experience, why impersonate somebody who does not? Edited December 19, 2009 by bogbrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Spoken as only someone with no understanding of business could ever do. If you do have some experience, why impersonate somebody who does not? When's the other half of your wit being delivered? Aren't you busy? Haven't you got some employees to subjugate or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Haven't you got some employees to subjugate or something? Never needed to, thanks. I'm still baffled by this great new idea you've got about the aim being to bust your company so it gets bailed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Never needed to, thanks. I'm still baffled by this great new idea you've got about the aim being to bust your company so it gets bailed out. Not worked out how to profit from this yet? Some businessman you must be! If your business is an essential private sector business and it looks like it's going to go down the tubes because of your poor management and over enthusiastic risk taking in the name of excessive profits, why have the stress and worry about keeping it afloat when the good old State is there to offer you a load of money? Avoid paying in during the boom but collect the cash during the bust. Genius! Ask a banker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 You're arguing semantics and splitting hairs now. You know exactly what I mean. If the EVIL CAPITALISTS weren't so keen to put profit above long term stability there would be no need for the state to bail them out. The private sector deliberatly runs things into the ground knowing that any negative consequences of their actions will be borne by someone else. In a way I suppose they nationalise it by proxy, if you like. Blo*dy Hell I'm speechless And that doesn't happen often Obviously Absolute Zero doesn't refer to enthusiasm after all, it refers to intelligence Nite, nite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest absolutezero Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Blo*dy Hell I'm speechless And that doesn't happen often Obviously Absolute Zero doesn't refer to enthusiasm after all, it refers to intelligence Nite, nite If I didn't know any better I'd say you were on the wind up. Got to admit, it's hard being a contrarian on a rabid capitalists forum. See post 97 for further details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Not worked out how to profit from this yet? Some businessman you must be! If your business is an essential private sector business and it looks like it's going to go down the tubes because of your poor management and over enthusiastic risk taking in the name of excessive profits, why have the stress and worry about keeping it afloat when the good old State is there to offer you a load of money? Avoid paying in during the boom but collect the cash during the bust. Genius! Ask a banker. God, what crap. What goes for the banks goes for all business? You really don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. My trick has always been to make large profits. You'd be amazed how much easier that is than trying to profit from collapse (why am I bothering, you'll never grasp it). Edited December 19, 2009 by bogbrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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