What Is Gordons Next Move ?

[Guest barebear]

I'm begining to feel sorry for Gordon. Will he sack Milliband and trigger a leadership contest or does he wait for a vote of no confidence ? What a job,hated by everyone,the economy collapsing,why does he want to continue ?

I reckon he'll stay on as there isnt anybody that can take over,there all wonkers.Labour as a party may just think they will lose the next election what ever they do so just let Gordon carry the can.

The next Labour prime minister may very well be not even an MP yet !

[sbn]

I hope Mr Browns next movement is very impacted and brings down a few things with it.

[Guest KingCharles1st]

I don't see how I could be sorry for anyone that sat in a bunker for the last 11 years and slowly but surely chipped away at the UK and changed it to something very different- something we seem not to like.

I don't know how I could feel sorry for anyone that wrote jokes in the orchestra pit, and tossed them up to the actor merrily chugging away up on stage to a full audience, while all the time scheming his downfall.

I don't feel sorry for anyone that doesn't now how to win gracefully- and doesn't know how to loose gracefully.

Does he feel sorry for US?

****** HIM

[Thread Killer]

I'm inclined to agree. Brown will stay on right to the election, and a tory landslide.

The next labour prime minister will be Euan Blair or one of his siblings. First act will be to install free beer fountains in Leicester Square.

Edited August 1, 2008 by Thread Killer

[Captain Coma]

The next Labour prime minister may very well be not even an MP yet !

The next Labour prime minister probably hasn't been born yet.

[VillageIdiot]

Gordon will make Milliband his Chancellor.

Force him to drink from the poison chalice.

[markinspain]

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/ind...p;#entry1239358

[Guest barebear]

I'm inclined to agree. Brown will stay on right to the election, and a tory landslide.

The next labour prime minister will be Euan Blair or one of his siblings. First act will be to install free beer fountains in Leicester Square.

I wonder if Labour have considered that, persuade Tony to come back.

[Realistbear]

You Gov today:

In fact, the only Labour figure who could significantly narrow the gap with the Tories is the man the party forced out of office last year: Tony Blair. Yet even with Mr Blair as leader, Labour would trail the Conservatives by 32 per cent to 41 per cent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...peculation.html

IMO, New Labour will dump Gordon in September, maybe this month, put Milliband in charge and go for an early Spring GE.

The fact that not a single cabinet minister spoke out in favour of Brown yesterday, despite the press "rumours", says it all. He is done.

[Guest barebear]

You Gov today:

In fact, the only Labour figure who could significantly narrow the gap with the Tories is the man the party forced out of office last year: Tony Blair. Yet even with Mr Blair as leader, Labour would trail the Conservatives by 32 per cent to 41 per cent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...peculation.html

IMO, New Labour will dump Gordon in September, maybe this month, put Milliband in charge and go for an early Spring GE.

The fact that not a single cabinet minister spoke out in favour of Brown yesterday, despite the press "rumours", says it all. He is done.

When did you initially say he would go ?

[tricksters]

Gordon will make Milliband his Chancellor.

Force him to drink from the poison chalice.

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Hemlock, preferably. Scheming, conniving, presumptious, over-confident, smug, back-stabbing little runt. Unless I am mistaken, until quite recently he was Gurning Gordon's main man, loyal to the end. Honour amongst thieves I don't think. They really do come across as a pretty unpleasant and obnoxious shower. Don't suppose for one minute Dave and his crew will fare any better even if they do currently come across as slightly less self-interested. A plague on all their houses.

[PopGun]

You Gov today:

In fact, the only Labour figure who could significantly narrow the gap with the Tories is the man the party forced out of office last year: Tony Blair. Yet even with Mr Blair as leader, Labour would trail the Conservatives by 32 per cent to 41 per cent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...peculation.html

IMO, New Labour will dump Gordon in September, maybe this month, put Milliband in charge and go for an early Spring GE.

The fact that not a single cabinet minister spoke out in favour of Brown yesterday, despite the press "rumours", says it all. He is done.

He and Blair inherited a bad case of rotten apples, and between them conspired to make the UK even worse than before under the Torries. "Things can only get better"... how we laughed. The artist who sang that awful song D:REAM, has sunk without trace back into the murky waters of obscurity. It’s ironic that Brown/New Labour now faces the same fate.

His next move if he has any sense and pride at all, should be towards the door….

[what]

I think Gordon will go back up North to the Border, mission accomplished.

I have well and trully messed up the English economy.

Maybe the scottish people will send him to Wales next.

[Guest Winnie]

It says everything about this country that we have a major chav punch up and riot (with knives) in Hyde Park, the same day as a prominent Marxist puts in his bid to be PM......

Britain...Little Britain......

HPC will become warp speed once the penny finally drops that this island is really a ghetto.

[researchmug]

"New Labour will dump Gordon in September, maybe this month, put Milliband in charge and go for an early Spring GE."

I agree, hundreds of labour MP's are panicking about losing their cushy jobs , particularly with rising unemployment. Companies just aren't recruiting, not even past backbench MP's. It's a question of trying to save as many MP's as possible, and an imminent general election during Milliband's 6 month honeymoon period is the the best chance they have of securing 5 more years of easy life for as many as possible, regardless of whether it's in opposition or government.

It's not that Labour mp's call the shots on when we have an election, but they know that Milliband can't justify being PM without one and beyond his honeymoon he has as little chance as Gordon of winning the next General election.

The only problem for Milliband is that other leading MP's know that any muppet who takes over, is going to look good compared to Gordon and get a cosy six months in power with a high chance of General election victory before the ignorant masses realise they've bought another turkey. I think a leadership battle could get messy. the gloves might come off and milliband might not make it.

Edited August 1, 2008 by researchmug

[Realistbear]

When did you initially say he would go ?

I bet with Betfair he would be gone by June 30th. I placed the bet aorund January of this year IIRC. Not too far off but enough to lose my bet!

I think my 20% down for 2008 forecast will be proven about right though.

[Guest barebear]

I bet with Betfair he would be gone by June 30th. I placed the bet aorund January of this year IIRC. Not too far off but enough to lose my bet!

I think my 20% down for 2008 forecast will be proven about right though.

5 months to drop another 11 %. It'll be close. Is that the Nationwide figures the bet is linked to ?

[Sinking Feeling]

Look, the mouth is even the same!

[The Ayatollah Buggeri]

Brown essentially has three options, with different timing options for each one.

1. Do nothing.

2. Sack Miliband, possibly along with other reshuffling.

3. Promote Miliband, or some other ploy to draw his sting (e.g. write an article praising him).

The timing options are, realistically:

1. Right now (even a delay of a few days would look dithering - in the middle of August would be politically suicidal).

2. Early September.

3. In the aftermath of the conference.

As to which combination of options to take, he's going to have to make a judgment call as to how serious he thinks Miliband is about ousting him and how much support he's likely to get if he tries. Two MPs hitting the TV studios is 68 less than the number who need to sign up to any leadership challenge for it to get off the ground.

IMO his only hope is a very major reshuffle, right now (as in, calling people back from the beach); and one which involves sacking anyone who has ever even hinted at disloyalty. That would force Miliband and his ilk to either put up or shut up, and if they put up to give them a tougher fight than they'd otherwise have had, because for about the first time in his premiership Brown would be showing signs of being able to act decisively (thereby defusing one of the major criticisms of him).

[Guest barebear]

Brown essentially has three options, with different timing options for each one.

1. Do nothing.

2. Sack Miliband, possibly along with other reshuffling.

3. Promote Miliband, or some other ploy to draw his sting (e.g. write an article praising him).

The timing options are, realistically:

1. Right now (even a delay of a few days would look dithering - in the middle of August would be politically suicidal).

2. Early September.

3. In the aftermath of the conference.

As to which combination of options to take, he's going to have to make a judgment call as to how serious he thinks Miliband is about ousting him and how much support he's likely to get if he tries. Two MPs hitting the TV studios is 68 less than the number who need to sign up to any leadership challenge for it to get off the ground.

IMO his only hope is a very major reshuffle, right now (as in, calling people back from the beach); and one which involves sacking anyone who has ever even hinted at disloyalty. That would force Miliband and his ilk to either put up or shut up, and if they put up to give them a tougher fight than they'd otherwise have had, because for about the first time in his premiership Brown would be showing signs of being able to act decisively (thereby defusing one of the major criticisms of him).

Do nothing right now seems to be the favorite to me. But I like the praising Milliband idea to draw his sting.

[The Ayatollah Buggeri]

One option the meeja don't seem to have taken on board is that Miliband's article could be the start of a long campaign to position himself as captain of the lifeboat in the aftermath of Gordo steering the ship full steam into May 2010's electoral iceberg, rather than an attempt to force a change of course here and now. He must realise that wielders of axes and ice picks hardly ever get to inherit the crown themselves, as Heseltine discovered to his cost.

[Guest barebear]

One option the meeja don't seem to have taken on board is that Miliband's article could be the start of a long campaign to position himself as captain of the lifeboat in the aftermath of Gordo steering the ship full steam into May 2010's electoral iceberg, rather than an attempt to force a change of course here and now. He must realise that wielders of axes and ice picks hardly ever get to inherit the crown themselves, as Heseltine discovered to his cost.

So has Labour got a John Major lurking somewhere ? Somebody nice and dull and grey perhaps, feck me thats all of them.

[Smell the Fear]

Labour headquarters, later on today:

go to 4min 30 into the clip to see what Gordon must do next.

House of Sodumb He'sInsane

Edited August 1, 2008 by Smell the Fear

[Als]

Younger Socialists like Milliband scare the living daylights out of me. At least there is something benign about British bread and butter Socialism under old Labour. I'd actually rather stick with the devil I know.

[Guest KingCharles1st]

There are a lot of side orders with the main dish here.

Firstly- anyone who is going up against Cameron had better be "In it to win it" because that guy is going to get LOTS of female votes, let alone Tory and disaffected ones.

Secondly- yep- Iran. This will undoubtedly be a big political issue over the next few months, and perhaps something that will make a big difference as to which party and politicians America, Israel and Opec want to be dealing with right now, for better or for worse.

The more carefully one looks at the Labour's perilous position, the more one realises that they have let far too much authority slip on both the National and worldwide stage to ever be taken seriously about anything much at the moment- or ever again.

Gordon currently IS the right man for the job- as the rest of the world sees him as a total muppet, and they would quite like to keep things that way while it suits them to do so.