"romania Migrants: We Open The Door"

[Realistbear]

Gordon must be reading the EA reports that HPI might slow down toward the end of the year. Nothing like adding a few hundred thousand to the housing crisis is there.

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=505

Romania migrants: We open the door

04/10/06

By Tom Whitehead

Home Affairs Correspondent

MIGRANTS from Romania and Bulgaria could be flooding into Britain by Christmas.

The move follows

Labour plans to scrap visa restrictions early

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Ministers are set to lift current controls on entry to the UK by December – even though they do not need to until the Eastern bloc pair officially join the EU on January 1. It will allow the Eastern Europeans to flock to the UK early and get ready to start looking for jobs from the New Year.

Critics last night slammed the move as sending out the wrong message that Britain could yet again be a soft touch...../

That EU expansion saw eight Eastern European countries join. Tony Blair gave full, free access to the jobs markets after predicting no more than 13,000 a year would come.

Instead, at least 600,000 have flooded here in the last two and a half years.

Hundreds of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians are expected to head for Britain once they join the EU. It is feared they will take advantage of cheap flights costing less than £10 to get here.

Sheeple had better buy that house now before 343,000 Romanians and 267,000 Bulgarians snap it up!

Edited October 4, 2006 by Realistbear

[Cuckoo]

why do critics always "slam" something "last night" . balls!

the migrants will be a colourful and welcome addition to our nation! They will come in their millions. This can only be a good thing and will make the country more multicultural, economically sucessful and efficient. There are very few immigrants on benefit, most come to work and they contribute to our taxes and provide valuable services and run new enterprises. What's to be scared of?

[Guest AuntJess]

why do critics always "slam" something "last night" . balls!

the migrants will be a colourful and welcome addition to our nation! They will come in their millions. This can only be a good thing and will make the country more multicultural, economically sucessful and efficient. There are very few immigrants on benefit, most come to work and they contribute to our taxes and provide valuable services and run new enterprises. What's to be scared of?

What's to be scared of? Try 'no place to live'. so where WILL they live? Can you answer?

[Cuckoo]

What's to be scared of? Try 'no place to live'. so where WILL they live? Can you answer?

said previously, they should be building new high rises in our major cities and increasing densities massively, like in Hong Kong. It is feasible and buildings for new workers could be erected in 18 months. In the meantime theres 750,000 houses lying empty - plenty of flats above shops weating to be put into service, etc, more than you think.

[pootle]

said previously, they should be building new high rises in our major cities and increasing densities massively, like in Hong Kong. It is feasible and buildings for new workers could be erected in 18 months. In the meantime theres 750,000 houses lying empty - plenty of flats above shops weating to be put into service, etc, more than you think.

With that many houses lying empty why is there a shortage of housing?

[tenroom]

What's to be scared of? Try 'no place to live'. so where WILL they live? Can you answer?

The BTLers will sort 'em out with somewhere to live

[shermanator]

why do critics always "slam" something "last night" . balls!

the migrants will be a colourful and welcome addition to our nation! They will come in their millions. This can only be a good thing and will make the country more multicultural, economically sucessful and efficient. There are very few immigrants on benefit, most come to work and they contribute to our taxes and provide valuable services and run new enterprises. What's to be scared of?

Edited October 4, 2006 by shermanator

[BuyingBear]

These sort of scaremongering articles are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how the EU operates, as EU citizens the people from these countries will have full travel rights within the Eurozone, this is no different to the rights we enjoy that enable us to visit France or Spain etc without visas. These self-same rights enable UK speculators to snap up half of Bulgaria for instance, but of course, that's different.

These people have the right to come here whether we like it or not, our government may not hand out work permits but that still doesn't prevent EU citizens arriving in the UK. The absense of a work permit is rather arbitrary and will probably just drive these people into the black market where they will be ripe for exploitation.

The 'problem' lies with the treaty of Rome not Romanian gypsies, if you're against the former join UKIP or something and if you're against the latter join Borat.

What's to be scared of? Try 'no place to live'. so where WILL they live? Can you answer?

There is plenty of space to live, if our ruling class want limitless migration in order to line their pockets, and nominally grow GDP, they will have to wave goodbye to a small part of the greenbelt. There is no having your cake and eating it on this issue, they brought it upon themselves.

Edited October 4, 2006 by BuyingBear

[steve99]

Suspect the whole issue is about driving wages down, with a huge pool of labour waiting in the background its much harder to argue for higher wages, the new immigrants are not all McJobbers, also starting to affect the better paid jobs, for those that dont know, the UK is one of the few countires that have given work rights to the new EEC joiners in the last couple of rounds.

[BARO]

Well your comments aren't fair.

Are Bulgarians happy that their coast is overpopulated with simple minded rough British morons ... well not but they put up with it.

It's the right (based on EU laws) of the British to visit and to buy property.

Are the Spanish happy that their country is overpopulated with British morons pushing the house prices up... well.

It's being part of the EU if you don't like it ... LEAVE (if you dare).

[BuyingBear]

Suspect the whole issue is about driving wages down, with a huge pool of labour waiting in the background its much harder to argue for higher wages, the new immigrants are not all McJobbers, also starting to affect the better paid jobs, for those that dont know, the UK is one of the few countires that have given work rights to the new EEC joiners in the last couple of rounds.

Quite, Brown has presided over persistent falls in productivity growth, which isn't a surprise given his 'money for nothing' splurge in the public sector and the fact the only real rewards are in speculation rather than in highly taxed 'work'. In light of this the only other option left to grow GDP, and nominally increase demand, is to allow limitless migration. Usefully this also mitigates a wage-price spiral normally seen when you grow the monetary base upwards of 15% year on year.

It's Brown's get out of jail free card, along with cheap imported tat from China.

Are Bulgarians happy that their coast is overpopulated with simple minded rough British morons ... well not but they put up with it.

Oh no, that's completely different.

I can only hope they express the same desire to build in our countryside.

[Realistbear]

Suspect the whole issue is about driving wages down, with a huge pool of labour waiting in the background its much harder to argue for higher wages, the new immigrants are not all McJobbers, also starting to affect the better paid jobs, for those that dont know, the UK is one of the few countires that have given work rights to the new EEC joiners in the last couple of rounds.

Suppressing wages while keeping HPI going is key to Gordon's strategy. As long as there is no HPC borowing against the rising value of homes can be maintained indefinitley as the ability to MEW expands along with house prices. The key is keeping wages down with a never ending supply of cheap labour. If wage push inflation gets out of the bag its all over and economy collapses. Of course, Gordon's plan must have the jobs to keep the ever rising numbers of new workers employed. He can do this by adding to the government payroll while growing a deficit that will far exceed EU guidelines but-hey--what the heck, its a miracle economy so who cares?

[RichB]

With that many houses lying empty why is there a shortage of housing?

I have to say that I don't see a shortage of housing. I see a lot of houses that I would have been able to afford a few years ago, and a lot of crappy flats with kitchens where the sofa should be, but no shortage of housing per se.

My own feeling is that the 'housing shortage' is the logical follow on from 'its all about supply and demand' where people mistake the supply predicate as representing housing stock where it really represents money to be borrowed...

[BuyingBear]

Suppressing wages while keeping HPI going is key to Gordon's strategy.

Labour have always been adept at levelling down, back in the day their deficit spending resulted in driving down the standard of living, the end result was usually a run on the pound. This time around they've managed to mask these problems through endless debt creation and MEW, thus people feel rich whilst actually being deeper in debt than ever before. They've taken spin and slight of hand to a whole new level.

Edited October 4, 2006 by BuyingBear

[MarkG]

Well your comments aren't fair.

Crap. How many people here do you think support the obnoxious British assholes who move to Bulgaria and Spain and price the locals out of their property market?

It's being part of the EU if you don't like it ... LEAVE (if you dare).

Right. And if Britain did announce that we planned to leave, the EU would do whatever it could to keep us, because unlike Bulgaria we're a net payer and the whole point of the EU is to redistribute wealth between nations. Why the hell would we want to be in a club for sad old socialists that's designed to reduce our standard of living by funnelning our money to Eastern Europe?

Fortunately, if things continue the way they are, Britain will be leaving the EU in the next decade or so.

[BuyingBear]

I have to say that I don't see a shortage of housing. I see a lot of houses that I would have been able to afford a few years ago, and a lot of crappy flats with kitchens where the sofa should be, but no shortage of housing per se.

The market will always deliver supply, but at a price. High prices are signals to increase supply, but a market controlled by government monopoly doesn't repond on the supply side. There is no reason why we cannot continue to see prices rise in a parabolic fashion when you have limitless new monetary growth chasing a purposefully limited supply.

In order for the next generation to compete in their own country they need lower their standards and expectations to the lowest common denominator, that means renting a BTL and living ten to a home. They need to live by other peoples' standards, a limitless number of migrants are quite prepared to rough it in this country. The next generation will have to match this lower standard of living or play the debt game, or both.

Edited October 4, 2006 by BuyingBear

[MarkG]

In order for the next generation to compete in their own country they need lower their standards and expectations to the lowest common denominator, that means renting a BTL and living ten to a home.

Absolutely. The British should be proud that they've been called on to sacrifice everything in order to enrich foreigners.

[BuyingBear]

Crap. How many people here do you think support the obnoxious British assholes who move to Bulgaria and Spain and price the locals out of their property market?

Probably no one, but there's plenty of people on here who resent people from those countries moving to the UK. This week you stated that we should limit EU migration on the dubious legal basis of telling the EU to "go **** yourself".

EU migration is largely a two way street. 70% of migration into this country is from outside the EU, so all this talk of migration from small EU states is a total red herring.

[Guest Charlie The Tramp]

Fortunately, if things continue the way they are, Britain will be leaving the EU in the next decade or so.

They will follow Italy.

[Pindar]

The truth of the matter is that Romanian and Bulgarian migrants have been moving away from their home countries for years. Just take a look at the Canary islands - the places is swarming with non-nationals. The BBC recently had an article about this issue and they said that since the new EU entrants are latin countries, they are more likely to want to go to Spain or Italy than Britain. I wouldn't expect them to start coming here is hordes.

[BuyingBear]

Absolutely. The British should be proud that they've been called on to sacrifice everything in order to enrich foreigners.

Some members of our ruling class may well be of foreign origin but the vast majority are god honest native Englishmen quite happy to see their countrymen driven into the mud in order to serve the greater good, the CBI and the City are probably the first port of call in this respect.

At this advanced stage of development capitalism naturally produces a deeply atomised society, get used to it.

[BARO]

Crap. How many people here do you think support the obnoxious British assholes who move to Bulgaria and Spain and price the locals out of their property market?

Right. And if Britain did announce that we planned to leave, the EU would do whatever it could to keep us, because unlike Bulgaria we're a net payer and the whole point of the EU is to redistribute wealth between nations. Why the hell would we want to be in a club for sad old socialists that's designed to reduce our standard of living by funnelning our money to Eastern Europe?

Fortunately, if things continue the way they are, Britain will be leaving the EU in the next decade or so.

OK now let me explain you how it works, because it seems to me that you haven't got a clue.

There is no conspiracy on a government level encouraging people form EU coming to UK.

1.The government cannot stop people from the EU moving into UK. This will contradict fundamental EU law (free movement of people).

The only way to stop people coming to UK is to leave the EU or to stop expanding the EU (but this is not up to the UK).

The government is not encouraging people to come to the UK they come here because there are jobs and the economy is working well.

As soon as the economy stops working well and there are no jobs, migrants will leave or stop coming to the UK.

2.UK buyers buy properties abroad because they see and opportunity whether you like it or not it doesn't matter it's a free economy. And they will continue doing it.

3.The UK benefits a lot from the EU (although you don't realise it and don't want to admit it).

The British ARE NOT STUPID !!! If they didn't have the benefit from the EU they would LEAVE !!!

Why do you think the UK is in the EU because they are GENEROUS and want the save the world and help other people.

Look with the EURO is different the UK will not benefit from the EURO that’s why stays out !

4.The UK gives money to the EU. But TAKES MONEY BACK AS WELL.

Remember the REBATE !!!!!

In conclusion THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. WHAT DO YOU THINK DOESN'T MATTER.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION.

[Pindar]

Atomised or not atomised, people still need a roof over their heads and why must expectations be managed down to the lowest common denominator of mucking in and living 10 to a room in communes? There really is enough space for everybody to have a home of their own. And ffs why shouldn't they? These people work hard and contribute to the economy. It's the pathetic nimbyism, corruption and vested interests among planners and developers that cause us to be in the situation we are in. Would the developers be willing to live the the rabbit hutches they erect for the minions to inhabit? What we need is a radical shift away from consensual development and a tough assertion of planning power. We need to remove the councillors from office that object to planning proposals on a NIMBYistic basis and replace them with young town and country planning graduate first time buyers. We need to take the issue to the shires and we need to pass mandatory minimum standards for developers to adhere to. New builds must have enough windows and be at least as spacious as a 1960's council flat. Unoccupied houses must be repossessed by the local council and sold off on the free market. The proceeds would be used to contribute to the infrastructure for new green belt developments. This country is riddled with corruption at all levels - it is this corruption which prevents decent provision for population growth. Those responsible are scum and must be exposed and punished.

[MarkG]

The British ARE NOT STUPID !!! If they didn't have the benefit from the EU they would LEAVE !!!

How? Every major party is pro-EU, and Labour were elected by 22% of the voters... how can the British possibly choose to leave when their country has been stolen from them by politicians who won't even offer them that option?

In the only vote the British people were ever allowed, the government deliberately lied about the future goals of turning the EU into a federal state because they _KNEW_ that they'd lose the vote.

The government cannot stop people from the EU moving into UK.

The government can do what they want, because we're a net payer into the EU and there's ****** all they can do to stop us. They just have neither the desire or the balls to do anything about it.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION.

Remember that in twenty years when this country is being run by the BNP or a similar nutter party. If you DON'T CARE about relatively moderate opinions such as mine, then you're guaranteeing such a huge backlash that the major parties will be wiped out in favor of extremists who'll give the EU two fingers and start mass deportations: there's only so long people will put up with being second-class citizens in their own country, or being told they have to live ten to a room so they can compete with Eastern Europeans in _THEIR OWN COUNTRY_.

[BuyingBear]

Atomised or not atomised, people still need a roof over their heads and why must expectations be managed down to the lowest common denominator of mucking in and living 10 to a room in communes? There really is enough space for everybody to have a home of their own. And ffs why shouldn't they?

People will always have a roof over their head, they will just have to share it with 10 other people or elect to become part of the state dependent underclass or the privileged overclass. Working people can take comfort from places like Tokyo where you may be lucky enough to buy your own pod.

Remember there is no countryside left, we've filled up 6% of the landmass yet we're full up, people cannot expect the standard of living we're used to. Eventually the same will be true of transport, but when we're living at ultra-high densities there is no call or room for cars.

An unviable chemical doped field, that is so uneconomical it needs hefty subsidy, is more important than your well being.

Edited October 4, 2006 by BuyingBear