shlomo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, longgone said: I know the feeling. Life is hard when you live hand to mouth. You live with mummy, and have £180k+ in savings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, shlomo said: You live with mummy, and have £180k+ in savings That was 5 years ago I have spent it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, longgone said: That was 5 years ago I have spent it I thought you had a thriving ebay cottage empire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, shlomo said: I thought you had a thriving ebay cottage empire Wine women song holidays and a job title of chief procrastinator is expensive. Hopefully our scorched earth future will make green shoots appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, longgone said: Wine women song holidays and a job title of chief procrastinator is expensive. Hopefully our scorched earth future will make green shoots appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 12 hours ago, gruffydd said: Yes this is the level of crash in jobs I'm seeing - the jobs market is cratered. I spoke to another recruiter yesterday after an inexplicable e-mail to apply for a job (I was being nosey!) - and they said yes, there is nothing left in terms of vacanices. If they do have a job they e-mail it to a couple of dozen candidates they have on their system rather than adverising the vacancy - again because they were getting thousands of applications per vacancy. Then I became nosier still and phone a friend in recruitment - their agency had lost all its clients (IT - technical) and were going back to square one. Nothing left. No jobs. No clients. Im not sure about jobs or demand. Theres very few offices open. And if few are willing to have a full staff, then none are willing to have loads of interviews traipse into the office. Logitics of interviewing hare such a PITA sicne in the a.se since March that few are bothering, prefering to make do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 13 hours ago, longgone said: Do you think the programmers had the foresight to understand they were living in gifted times and made allowances? Really I don't... tech / digital was the future, etc., etc. - and it may well be - but then along came COVID-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, spyguy said: Im not sure about jobs or demand. Theres very few offices open. And if few are willing to have a full staff, then none are willing to have loads of interviews traipse into the office. Logitics of interviewing hare such a PITA sicne in the a.se since March that few are bothering, prefering to make do. Interviewing is mainly online now from what I know - I've had a few myself. Zoom interviews are the norm - if companies need staff they will interview them, whichever way they need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, gruffydd said: Interviewing is mainly online now from what I know - I've had a few myself. Zoom interviews are the norm - if companies need staff they will interview them, whichever way they need to. Are you working at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, gruffydd said: Interviewing is mainly online now from what I know - I've had a few myself. Zoom interviews are the norm - if companies need staff they will interview them, whichever way they need to. Online doesnt cover ~80% of the UK skills base. Most companies still require people to turn up somewhere and do something. Having, say, a production line, staffed by known people already employed isnt go to react well with a load of new people turning up at the moment. For example of the risk of having people from here there n everywhere, the low end food processing, now staffed mainly by EEers are blowing up with covid case, causing v expensive shutdowns: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/19/three-meat-factories-in-england-and-wales-closed-over-coronavirus https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8669413/Covid-crisis-Britains-food-plants-75-staff-test-positive-chicken-factory-Norfolk.html https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53255478 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, gruffydd said: Really I don't... tech / digital was the future, etc., etc. - and it may well be - but then along came COVID-19. could be the future but then many should not always expect their well paid job to be around forever, better expect more rainy days in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, shlomo said: Are you working at the moment? Yes, thankfully - although it's been a fight to keep going! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, gruffydd said: Yes, thankfully - although it's been a fight to keep going! In thought IT would be doing well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, spyguy said: Online doesnt cover ~80% of the UK skills base. Most companies still require people to turn up somewhere and do something. Having, say, a production line, staffed by known people already employed isnt go to react well with a load of new people turning up at the moment. For example of the risk of having people from here there n everywhere, the low end food processing, now staffed mainly by EEers are blowing up with covid case, causing v expensive shutdowns: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/19/three-meat-factories-in-england-and-wales-closed-over-coronavirus https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8669413/Covid-crisis-Britains-food-plants-75-staff-test-positive-chicken-factory-Norfolk.html https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53255478 It'd be interesting to know the breakdown but around 50% of all workers managed to work from home during COVID, so I would imagine the majority are office based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, shlomo said: In thought IT would be doing well It has collapsed completely - the contract side - even the old uns like me who've been in it for decades are struggling badly. The level of disruption is off the scale. I spoke to a recruiter last week who thought it would stay like this for at least 12 months but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, gruffydd said: It has collapsed completely - the contract side - even the old uns like me who've been in it for decades are struggling badly. The level of disruption is off the scale. I spoke to a recruiter last week who thought it would stay like this for at least 12 months but who knows. Maybe this is the new normal, I think the economy will be 30%+ smaller than 2019 i have friends in the recruitment industry and they are all being laid off, they have never seen anything like this Edited September 13, 2020 by shlomo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, shlomo said: Maybe this is the new normal, I think the economy will be 30%+ smaller than 2019 i have friends in the recruitment industry and they are all being laid off, they have never seen anything like this I will never find a job at this rate. What to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, longgone said: I will never find a job at this rate. What to do. Live with your mummy forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 31 minutes ago, shlomo said: Live with your mummy forever. 😂 Does home ownership improve your appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, longgone said: 😂 Does home ownership improve your appeal Yes, money talks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, shlomo said: Yes, money talks You must feel emasculated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, longgone said: You must feel emasculated Yes, because women don’t need us anymore, they earn more money than we do The days of men being providers is over in the West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, shlomo said: Yes, because women don’t need us anymore, they earn more money than we do The days of men being providers is over in the West Great they can take over from mother 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlomo Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, longgone said: Great they can take over from mother 🤣 Does your mother also do your washing and ironing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, shlomo said: Does your mother also do your washing and ironing? No one irons here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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