Newly Elected Ukip Mp And Councillor Oppose 5000 New Homes In Constituency

[dances with sheeple]

It`s all part of the jigsaw there is no silver bullet and supply/demand is part of the jigsaw along with credit availability and government/taxpayers props which if removed would cause a crash 100% guaranteed, as like you say on a whole HPI is only just holding its head above water with the props in place ,one of which FLs is close to ruining its course, i am expecting it to be replaced in the autumn statement with another scheme to help hard working families get on the ladder though

Other than UKIP`s (reducing demand through less immigration) i can`t see a policy from any of the other party's that will put more downward pressure on house prices...a little is better than nothing, and there's always the possibility UKPI could keep adding props like the rest of them who knows

UKIP want to leave the EU, that is a big deal, and if it happened would probably be the spark that caused the lot to fall apart. There would be debt defaults, interest rate chaos, basically a "re-set" across the EZ. The elites would lose out, and that is why they will fight tooth and nail to stop it.

Edited November 29, 2014 by dances with sheeple

[Guest_northshore_*]

It`s all part of the jigsaw there is no silver bullet and supply/demand is part of the jigsaw along with credit availability and government/taxpayers props which if removed would cause a crash 100% guaranteed, as like you say on a whole HPI is only just holding its head above water with the props in place ,one of which FLs is close to ruining its course, i am expecting it to be replaced in the autumn statement with another scheme to help hard working families get on the ladder though

Other than UKIP`s (reducing demand through less immigration) i can`t see a policy from any of the other party's that will put more downward pressure on house prices...a little is better than nothing, and there's always the possibility UKPI could keep adding props like the rest of them who knows

I see a different jigsaw to you. I think the demand thing is mostly a myth. From what I remember countries with a higher rate of immigration vs building don't necessarily have the same price problems we have etc, and rental trends also undermine that argument. Would we otherwise have a higher rate of household formation, fewer kids living with parents? Maybe, although in my opinion a lot of that is has much to do with general demographic, employment, financialisation trends.

What concerns me most is that this country still appears to be the rentier state par excellence. Although I'm not a great EU fan I simply do not trust our establishment not to ratchet up their own benefits and power in the absence of membership. The time to not be in the EU was at the beginning, or alternatively when those with most to lose by that change are those in control. Not now, when we have a gerontocracy of the rentier quite capable of ratcheting up their own benefits within it.

Do I have a great alternative? No, beyond some Green party policies. Is UKIP better than nothing? No, I think it's worse for anyone not retired or close to it. Voting UKIP has nothing to do with general improvements on housing. Ditto conservatives, labour. Could I be proven wrong? I hope so but I doubt it.

I'm just as frustrated as you, but it annoys me that such strongly held party-political views can be advocated here with little to no evidence/justification in relevant terms (house prices). So maybe we can stop with the fantasies that the two are somehow related and conclude on dicussing either partisan ideals affecting other stuff and/or that land reform to the better for people in this country is beyond most partisan offerings and not party-political.

[@contradevian]

The sole issue career politicians of all colours have with UKIP is losing their livelihood.

Nice endorsement for your party here

[Dorkins]

it annoys me that such strongly held party-political views can be advocated here with little to no evidence/justification in relevant terms (house prices). So maybe we can stop with the fantasies that the two are somehow related

It's not going to happen. The UK has got immigration on the brain and the cure will be time, not rational argument. Since joining HPC I've seen at least two of these 'madness of crowds' waves, one was gold in 2010 and the other was climate change (similarish time I think). A high proportion of threads would get hijacked and turn into gold threads or climate change threads no matter what the original post was. Same thing is happening with immigration now. This obsession will eventually pass like the others did, but it's annoying while it's happening.

[Guest_northshore_*]

It's not going to happen.

I know. There'll be a whole load of got nothing to say approaching and post-election when it becomes clearer what this all means.

But unlike gold the effects won't just pass for the rest of us.

[alexw]

What chance have they got ,of actually making any sort of change though ?

There was a poll done recently by lord ashcroft which asked "If candidates from the following parties were standing in your constituency and had a chance of winning, how likely would you be to vote for them?"

The greens came third after lab/con. They came above UKIP.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/11/20/greens-would-soar-if-voters-thought-they-could-win/

If people start voting for them they will steamroller.

My own vote will be for the greens. I am pretty anti-immigration but nimbyism is a way greater problem in regards to housing (2/3 of housing demand comes from internal changes), and UKIP are nimbyism on steroids. Many of their other policies chime well with me too, such as LVT, full reserve banking, and 5 year tenancies. I also hear they are about the most democratic party out there which I like. Their policies are all voted through by their general membership.

[alexw]

Greens are the uber-NIMBYS they would never allow any houses to be built anywhere that has grass on it. Plus they are the most pro-immigration party so under a green government you would have 500k+ net immigration per year.

This is their (not the least bit ambitious) immigration policy:

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/mg.html

MG300 We will work to achieve greater equity between the UK and non-Western countries. In step with this, we will progressively reduce UK immigration controls.

You are missing the point. The reason they come here is because of the differential between the UK and elsewhere in terms of income, living standards, etc. If their living standards rise so they are more similar to ours then they simply won't come over. At least not in appreciable numbers. So at that point we won't need immigration controls.

[Norbert]

Am I really looking at a topic where people are openly advocating voting Green? You do realise that the Green party long ago stopped being about protecting the environment, when it was infiltrated by hard-line leftists using "the environment" as a smokescreen for introducing a totalitarian state. No, you probably didn't did you, you just think they sound like nice people who want to help the planet.

The Green party is almost as bad as labour!

[olde guto]

It's not going to happen. The UK has got immigration on the brain and the cure will be time, not rational argument. Since joining HPC I've seen at least two of these 'madness of crowds' waves, one was gold in 2010 and the other was climate change (similarish time I think). A high proportion of threads would get hijacked and turn into gold threads or climate change threads no matter what the original post was. Same thing is happening with immigration now. This obsession will eventually pass like the others did, but it's annoying while it's happening.

It always had. However, I'm getting the urge to wear a tin foil hat, I have strong suspicion that the immigration "debate" is being driven by those in the city, in banks and to some degree the government to divert attention. With the bankers it's to divert attention from what they caused and what they are still doing, for the government it explains why despite the "recovery" people don't feel better off - it's the immigrants faults and not the fault of a recovery built with no foundations.