Errol Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 GCHQ more dangerous to privacy than NSA – Snowden Edward Snowden has warned that Britain’s GCHQ spy agency is a bigger threat to privacy than the NSA, as it uses illegally collected information in criminal prosecutions and, unlike in the US, has relatively few constitutional checks on its activities In an answer to a question at the event, a central London ‘Observer Ideas’ festival organized by The Guardian, Snowden said that the GCHQ uses “unlawfully collected information to pursue criminal prosecutions…to share with other countries, where they will use foreign intelligence powers to gather information that’s then used for law enforcement purposes – and this is very dangerous.” When citizens “don’t have the opportunity to challenge [such evidence] in courts – judges aren’t aware where this evidence originated from – it undermines the system of laws, the system of justice… upon which we all rely,” Snowden said. http://rt.com/uk/195416-snowden-gchq-nsa-privacy-rights/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travisher Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Do bears poo in the woods? The biggest danger to your life and liberty are the likes of Charles Farr and his ilk who will be once again trying to railroad the govt into allowing snooping on a scale the East German government could only have dreamt of. I'm reminded of Nassim Taleb's 'round trip fallacy'. If it is stated that 'most terrorists are Moslem', the government can rely on enough people reversing the logic and assuming most Moslems are terrorists. They don't even need the Daily Mail to misstate the case! This same poisonous 'logic' allows the government to justify vast numbers of poor quality CCTV as a substitute for a proper police presence. Or the application of anti money laundering rules that only apply to law abiding citizens going about their lawful business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Errol Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 GCHQ empowered to hack any device anywhere without terrorist, criminal threat – UK court doc The government has admitted to possessing far-reaching hacking powers to break into computers, phones and communications networks anywhere across the globe in the absence of national security and criminal threats, a court document reveals. http://rt.com/uk/241561-hacking-mass-surveillance-gchq/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Facebook is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Facebook is worse. Facebook is just an NSA front. And I am sure that both the NSA and GCHQ get round any legal constraints on spying on their own citizens by simply spying on each other's citizens and sharing the info. Possibly the prime purpose of the 'Five Eyes' arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 We live in a democracy and most people dont care. Look at how disgracefully the daily mail frames it...and how many in the comments section fall for it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2992642/Even-collecting-data-stops-terror-plots-s-wrong-says-Liberty-Human-rights-group-criticised-unacceptable-comments.html The idea that monitoring every email, given the sheer amount of our online traffic, will ever help them narrow down a terror plot is laughable enough. Its a shame Ms Sankey even gives credence to the idea. It will not stop one terror plot. Personally, given the revelations of the good intelligence the US had before WTC 93, 9/11 and the boston bombings...i personally doubt they even want to stop such attacks. On the contrary, the government beg for them. A good excuse to ramp up defense spending, to crush liberty, and to distract from their plunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think the idea that terrorists or organised criminals use mobile phones or email/internet to plan their operations is really hilarious. EVERYONE knows that every single communication by the above methods is tracked/traced/monitored. I'm prepared to bet that the 'serious' terrorists are now communicating at one to one meetings in the middle of parks or passing each other hand writting coded messages etc. Many of them are highly educated and it beggars belief that they would still be stupid enough to use an obviously monitored form of communication. I know I woudn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think the idea that terrorists or organised criminals use mobile phones or email/internet to plan their operations is really hilarious. EVERYONE knows that every single communication by the above methods is tracked/traced/monitored. I'm prepared to bet that the 'serious' terrorists are now communicating at one to one meetings in the middle of parks or passing each other hand writting coded messages etc. Many of them are highly educated and it beggars belief that they would still be stupid enough to use an obviously monitored form of communication. I know I woudn't. Yep. You'd have to be blind not to see how the police and so called 'security' services (ie thugs with uniforms) are replacing the war on drugs part of the overall war on freedom with the war on free thought. This is simply to prosecute more people with opinions the government finds unhelpful to their totalitarian agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Pressure builds on GCHQ as NGOs challenge mass surveillance in European court A group of leading human rights NGOs in Britain are taking the UK government to the European Court of Human Rights over invasive mass surveillance practices they warn violate Britons’ right to privacy and freedom of expression. http://rt.com/uk/248545-human-rights-surveillance-britain/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 In light of the GCHQ/NSA behaviour, this scares me more than anything else: This statement, and others like it, are a huge deal. This isn’t how the leader of a major civilized Western so-called “democracy” speaks to the citizenry. It is how a master talks to his slaves. How a ruler addresses his subjects. The measures would give the police powers to apply to the high court for an order to limit the “harmful activities” of an extremist individual. The definition of harmful is to include a risk of public disorder, a risk of harassment, alarm or distress or creating a “threat to the functioning of democracy”. They would include a ban on broadcasting and a requirement to submit to the police in advance any proposed publication on the web and social media or in print. The bill will also contain plans for banning orders for extremist organizations which seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but it will fall short of banning on the grounds of provoking hatred. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/uk-pm-david-cameron-proclaims-it%E2%80%99s-not-enough-follow-law-you-must-love-big-brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 In light of the GCHQ/NSA behaviour, this scares me more than anything else: This statement, and others like it, are a huge deal. This isn’t how the leader of a major civilized Western so-called “democracy” speaks to the citizenry. It is how a master talks to his slaves. How a ruler addresses his subjects. The measures would give the police powers to apply to the high court for an order to limit the “harmful activities” of an extremist individual. The definition of harmful is to include a risk of public disorder, a risk of harassment, alarm or distress or creating a “threat to the functioning of democracy”. They would include a ban on broadcasting and a requirement to submit to the police in advance any proposed publication on the web and social media or in print. The bill will also contain plans for banning orders for extremist organizations which seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but it will fall short of banning on the grounds of provoking hatred. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/uk-pm-david-cameron-proclaims-it%E2%80%99s-not-enough-follow-law-you-must-love-big-brother Even in the qualifying context of the rest of Cameron's (proposed?) speech, his words are chilling. Weasel-words like "risk of harassment" are the excuses of tyrants. The USA seems to be descending rapidly into fascism, and Cameron wants the UK to follow. He's just another Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We will all have to go back to "number stations"! Or maybe encoded messages on post cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fed_Up Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We will all have to go back to "number stations"! Or maybe encoded messages on post cards? Except that if you have anything encrypted and don't hand over the decryption key you can be locked up. Apparently that still applies if you don't have the key (after all you could be fibbing). http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/12/in-the-uk-you-will-go-to-jail-not-just-for-encryption-but-for-astronomical-noise-too/ http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/section/53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We will all have to go back to "number stations"! Or maybe encoded messages on post cards? I don't want any more of your postcards, or number two's, in the post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 What about "fake obituaries" in the Times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_northshore_* Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 In light of the GCHQ/NSA behaviour, this scares me more than anything else: This statement, and others like it, are a huge deal. This isn’t how the leader of a major civilized Western so-called “democracy” speaks to the citizenry. It is how a master talks to his slaves. How a ruler addresses his subjects. The measures would give the police powers to apply to the high court for an order to limit the “harmful activities” of an extremist individual. The definition of harmful is to include a risk of public disorder, a risk of harassment, alarm or distress or creating a “threat to the functioning of democracy”. They would include a ban on broadcasting and a requirement to submit to the police in advance any proposed publication on the web and social media or in print. The bill will also contain plans for banning orders for extremist organizations which seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but it will fall short of banning on the grounds of provoking hatred. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/uk-pm-david-cameron-proclaims-it%E2%80%99s-not-enough-follow-law-you-must-love-big-brother War is peace. Especially when it's perpetual kleptocracy make-believe, and so far most people seem to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 What about "fake obituaries" in the Times? That was you too? I had to write to the Editor and explain that I was 'feeling better'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 That was you too? I had to write to the Editor and explain that I was 'feeling better'. A "fake resurrection" announced in The TImes would go unnoticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 Hacking Laws Hushed Up in the UK Without debate but with exemption, the UK government has quietly passed a new law making the government's spying agency, police and intelligence officials exempt from prosecution for hacking into computers and mobile phones. http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150518/1022277314.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Maybe, but it looks really pretty http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-32753794 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 That looks sinister. We are all living in a novel by George Orwell. GCHQ’s Rainbow Lights: Exploiting Social Issues for Militarism and Imperialism Over the weekend, the British surveillance agency GCHQ — the most extremist and invasive in the West — bathed its futuristic headquarters with rainbow-colored lights “as a symbol of the intelligence agency’s commitment to diversity” and to express solidarity with “International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia.” GCHQ’s public affairs office proudly distributed the above photograph to media outlets This is so very moving. Gay Brits are now just as free as everyone else to spy on people, covertly disseminate state propaganda, and destroy online privacy. Whatever your views on all this nasty surveillance business might be, how can you not feel good about GCHQ when it drapes itself in the colors of LGBT equality? This is all a stark illustration of what has become a deeply cynical but highly effective tactic. Support for institutions of militarism and policies of imperialism is now manufactured by parading them under the emotionally manipulative banners of progressive social causes. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/18/exploitation-social-issues-generate-support-militarism-imperialism/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 That looks sinister. We are all living in a novel by George Orwell. 1984 has recently been edited and is now a cookery/baking book. Cupcakes are peace etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 1984 has recently been edited and is now a cookery/baking book. Cupcakes are peace etc etc 1984 is alive and well with google removing personal info from listings https://support.google.com/legal/contact/lr_eudpa?product=websearch&hl=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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