Lha Capped

[SarahBell]

BRMA ID BRMA Name 1 Bed Shared 1 Bed Self Contained 2 Beds 3 Beds 4 Beds 5 Beds Valid To Valid From

142 Inner East London £102.50 £235.00 £300.00 £350.00 £430.00 £550.00 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

146 Central London £140.94 £350.00 £480.00 £700.00 £1,000.00 £2,000.00 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

148 Outer East London £75.95 £165.00 £202.00 £253.15 £295.00 £350.48 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

159 Inner West London £107.47 £240.00 £303.78 £395.00 £525.00 £812.50 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

161 Inner North London £102.60 £245.00 £330.00 £425.00 £575.00 £700.00 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

145 Inner South West London £115.07 £231.00 £300.00 £379.73 £550.00 £775.00 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

Fooking hell.

2k a week lha.

That's going to be a bit cut.

That's this months figures for w1 1aa

https://lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/Secure/LHARateSearch.aspx?SearchType=PostCode

I know Oldham's is nothing compared to that -

61 Central Greater Manchester £65.00 £103.56 £126.58 £138.08 £184.11 £253.85 30 Jun 2010 01 Jun 2010

Edited June 22, 2010 by SarahBell

[mkz]

And (from page 55 of http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/junebudget_complete.pdf):

From October 2011, Local Housing Allowance rates will be set at the 30th percentile of local rents.

From April 2011, Local Housing Allowance Rates will be capped at £250 per week for a one bedroom property, £290 per week for a two bedroom property, £340 per week for a three bedroom property and £400 per week for four bedrooms or more.

[lurker07]

And (from page 55 of http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/junebudget_complete.pdf):

From October 2011, Local Housing Allowance rates will be set at the 30th percentile of local rents.

From April 2011, Local Housing Allowance Rates will be capped at £250 per week for a one bedroom property, £290 per week for a two bedroom property, £340 per week for a three bedroom property and £400 per week for four bedrooms or more.

So what happens to that family who were in the seven-bed house at £10K a month or something?

[SarahBell]

So what happens to that family who were in the seven-bed house at £10K a month or something?

They get to move out of the area.

£2k a week rent is obscene.

[monty1080]

So what happens to that family who were in the seven-bed house at £10K a month or something?

They will have to do the thing I have been ranting about for ages...... move somewhere cheaper, just like a working family would have to do if they couldn't afford £2k a week in rent.

[@contradevian]

About bloody time!

[shavedchimp]

And (from page 55 of http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/junebudget_complete.pdf):

From October 2011, Local Housing Allowance rates will be set at the 30th percentile of local rents.

From April 2011, Local Housing Allowance Rates will be capped at £250 per week for a one bedroom property, £290 per week for a two bedroom property, £340 per week for a three bedroom property and £400 per week for four bedrooms or more.

It's all a load of ballocks really ain't it? I pay 220quid a week for a 3bed semi in Oxford. Shouldn't the cap for a 3bed be nearer 200, rather than 340? Not much of a dis-incentive is it?

shavedchimp

[Liquid Goldfish]

So what happens to that family who were in the seven-bed house at £10K a month or something?

I'm sure there'll be an "exceptional circumstances" proviso, usually is

[Liquid Goldfish]

And (from page 55 of http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/junebudget_complete.pdf):

From October 2011, Local Housing Allowance rates will be set at the 30th percentile of local rents.

What's a 30th percentile?

How different is this to the current rules?

Edited June 22, 2010 by oldsport

[lurker07]

What's a 30th percentile?

How different is this to the current rules?

I believe it means the 30th cheapest property out of 100. (50th percentile would be the average).

Or something.

[tim123]

It's all a load of ballocks really ain't it? I pay 220quid a week for a 3bed semi in Oxford. Shouldn't the cap for a 3bed be nearer 200, rather than 340? Not much of a dis-incentive is it?

shavedchimp

Because it's not fair to make people move 100s of miles. Doing so will often force them to lose family support.

tim

[SarahBell]

Because it's not fair to make people move 100s of miles. Doing so will often force them to lose family support.

tim

When that family support is paying the rent then they can have a decision in where they live!

[monty1080]

This is the inherent problem with the system. I as a working person, with no tax credits or any other type of benefit, have to cut my cloth as far as living expenses go. If I cannot afford to rent or buy in Kensington, it's very simple, I can't live there. Mr or Mrs lha claimant seems to be able to say, 'I live in central London, I have 5 kids, I need a 6 bedroom house in St Johns Wood please.' the LA doesn't seem to have any say in the matter? Can anyone shed some light on this ??

[shavedchimp]

Because it's not fair to make people move 100s of miles. Doing so will often force them to lose family support.

tim

Not sure I understand you, I'm not suggesting families be moved out of whichever town they live in. What I meant was, if I'm paying 220/week for a 3bed in one of the UKs most expensive towns (Oxford) - then why does the rate need to be set so high?

340/week will get you a bloody nice 3bed house = not fair

shavedchimp

[tim123]

And another point not yet see

"Housing Benefit awards will be reduced to 90 per cent of the initial award after 12 months for claimants receiving Jobseekers Allowance."

So after the first year you move to an even cheaper place (or take that low paying job that you've been avoiding).

tim

[mkz]

What's a 30th percentile?

How different is this to the current rules?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/On_a_low_income/DG_10018928

How Local Housing Allowance rates are calculated

Local Housing Allowance rates are calculated each month for individual areas, known as Broad Market Rental Areas.

The Local Housing Allowance rate for each property size is based on the 'middle of the range' rental figure for the area. Exactly half of the rental properties of that size in the area will be affordable if you claim Housing Benefit under the Local Housing Allowance rules.

[mkz]

"Housing Benefit awards will be reduced to 90 per cent of the initial award after 12 months for claimants receiving Jobseekers Allowance."

Not to be introduced until April 2013, though.

[bomberbrown]

When that family support is paying the rent then they can have a decision in where they live!

Hear! hear!

[DTMark]

Not to be introduced until April 2013, though.

Shame it's 90% and not nil. But nice to see a Conservative government back again anyway

[tim123]

Not sure I understand you, I'm not suggesting families be moved out of whichever town they live in. What I meant was, if I'm paying 220/week for a 3bed in one of the UKs most expensive towns (Oxford) - then why does the rate need to be set so high?

340/week will get you a bloody nice 3bed house = not fair

shavedchimp

Because that's the cost in even the cheapest parts of London.

I think it's fair to say to an HB claimant based in London, that they (metaphorically) have to move to end of the tube line. I don't think it's fair to say that they have to move to a dormitory town 30 miles out.

I know that some people don't agree with this view of fairness, but please don't argue this point for the sake of it. ISTM that this change is a great move.

tim

[HPC001]

Last time I was on welfare, the best room I could find that accepted DSS was in Finsbury Park , and the landlord wanted £1100 upfront which I couldn't afford

Edited June 22, 2010 by HPC001

[tim123]

When that family support is paying the rent then they can have a decision in where they live!

Without this family support claiments often put more costs on other council services. I know that's not how it should be, but it's how it is.

tim

[DTMark]

Because it's not fair to make people move 100s of miles. Doing so will often force them to lose family support.

tim

If the family were so keen to support them, then they can do so financially, then the layabout need not move so far away *. That's what family is for, first and foremost. The state should be a last resort fallback.

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* Excluding cases of genuine disability

[tim123]

Many people commute to central London from Reading etc because they can't afford to buy in London so as working taxpayers they have to move to a dormitory town 30 miles out, why not the HB claimants?

see my other answers.

tim

[catsick]

This is going to make central london a much more attractive place to live as all recipients of housing benefit have to sling their hooks and move to outer London ,

I am surprised that nobody has thought of the HPC implication here , a massive raft of benefit money has been removed from central London properties , 2k down to 400 quid for the 5 bed house is a 2k house now empty and everything all the way down to 400 quid likewise , there has to be a good few percent of people in central london will forced out to the burbs rents will have to drop with the exodus and prices too ....