7/7 - 9/11 Secret Services Muslim Fundamentilists & War On Terror

[DisQ]

Internet is filled with theories, some are discussed here.

My intention is to raise this from a different angle, which I haven't come across here,

to start from The Guardian, it raises some really interesting questions.

Britain now faces its own blowbackIntelligence interests may thwart the July bombings investigation

Michael Meacher

Saturday 10 September 2005

The videotape of the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan has switched the focus of the London bombings away from the establishment view of brainwashed, murderous individuals and highlighted a starker political reality. While there can be no justification for horrific killings of this kind, they need to be understood against the ferment of the last decade radicalising Muslim youth of Pakistani origin living in Europe.

During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, the US funded large numbers of jihadists through Pakistan's secret intelligence service, the ISI. Later the US wanted to raise another jihadi corps, again using proxies, to help Bosnian Muslims fight to weaken the Serb government's hold on Yugoslavia. Those they turned to included Pakistanis in Britain.

According to a recent report by the Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, a contingent was also sent by the Pakistani government, then led by Benazir Bhutto, at the request of the Clinton administration. This contingent was formed from the Harkat-ul- Ansar (HUA) terrorist group and trained by the ISI. The report estimates that about 200 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK went to Pakistan, trained in HUA camps and joined the HUA's contingent in Bosnia. Most significantly, this was "with the full knowledge and complicity of the British and American intelligence agencies".

As the 2002 Dutch government report on Bosnia makes clear, the US provided a green light to groups on the state department list of terrorist organisations, including the Lebanese-based Hizbullah, to operate in Bosnia - an episode that calls into question the credibility of the subsequent "war on terror".

For nearly a decade the US helped Islamist insurgents linked to Chechnya, Iran and Saudi Arabia destabilise the former Yugoslavia. The insurgents were also allowed to move further east to Kosovo. By the end of the fighting in Bosnia there were tens of thousands of Islamist insurgents in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo; many then moved west to Austria, Germany and Switzerland.

Less well known is evidence of the British government's relationship with a wider Islamist terrorist network. During an interview on Fox TV this summer, the former US federal prosecutor John Loftus reported that British intelligence had used the al-Muhajiroun group in London to recruit Islamist militants with British passports for the war against the Serbs in Kosovo. Since July Scotland Yard has been interested in an alleged member of al-Muhajiroun, Haroon Rashid Aswat, who some sources have suggested could have been behind the London bombings.

According to Loftus, Aswat was detained in Pakistan after leaving Britain, but was released after 24 hours. He was subsequently returned to Britain from Zambia, but has been detained solely for extradition to the US, not for questioning about the London bombings. Loftus claimed that Aswat is a British-backed double agent, pursued by the police but protected by MI6.

One British Muslim of Pakistani origin radicalised by the civil war in Yugoslavia was LSE-educated Omar Saeed Sheikh. He is now in jail in Pakistan under sentence of death for the killing of the US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 - although many (including Pearl's widow and the US authorities) doubt that he committed the murder. However, reports from Pakistan suggest that Sheikh continues to be active from jail, keeping in touch with friends and followers in Britain.

Sheikh was recruited as a student by Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Muhammad), which operates a network in Britain. It has actively recruited Britons from universities and colleges since the early 1990s, and has boasted of its numerous British Muslim volunteers. Investigations in Pakistan have suggested that on his visits there Shehzad Tanweer, one of the London suicide bombers, contacted members of two outlawed local groups and trained at two camps in Karachi and near Lahore. Indeed the network of groups now being uncovered in Pakistan may point to senior al-Qaida operatives having played a part in selecting members of the bombers' cell. The Observer Research Foundation has argued that there are even "grounds to suspect that the [London] blasts were orchestrated by Omar Sheikh from his jail in Pakistan".

Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.

Yet neither Ahmed nor Omar appears to have been sought for questioning by the US about 9/11. Indeed, the official 9/11 Commission Report of July 2004 sought to downplay the role of Pakistan with the comment: "To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance" - a statement of breathtaking disingenuousness.

All this highlights the resistance to getting at the truth about the 9/11 attacks and to an effective crackdown on the forces fomenting terrorist bombings in the west, including Britain. The extraordinary US forbearance towards Omar Sheikh, its restraint towards the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb, Dr AQ Khan, selling nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea, the huge US military assistance to Pakistan and the US decision last year to designate Pakistan as a major non-Nato ally in south Asia all betoken a deeper strategic set of goals as the real priority in its relationship with Pakistan. These might be surmised as Pakistan providing sizeable military contingents for Iraq to replace US troops, or Pakistani troops replacing Nato forces in Afghanistan. Or it could involve the use of Pakistani military bases for US intervention in Iran, or strengthening Pakistan as a base in relation to India and China.

Whether the hunt for those behind the London bombers can prevail against these powerful political forces remains to be seen. Indeed it may depend on whether Scotland Yard, in its attempts to uncover the truth, can prevail over MI6, which is trying to cover its tracks and in practice has every opportunity to operate beyond the law under the cover of national security.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/10/terrorism.politics

[DisQ]

some more

Complete 911 Timeline

Haroon Rashid Aswat

Project: Complete 911 Timeline

Open-Content project managed by matt, Paul, KJF, blackmax

Haroon Rashid Aswat is a radical Muslim of Indian descent but born and raised in Britain. Around 1995, when he was about 21 years old, he left Britain and attended militant training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He is said to have later told investigators that he once served as a bodyguard for Osama bin Laden. In the late 1990s, he returns to Britain and becomes a “highly public aide” to radical London imam Abu Hamza al-Masri. Reda Hassaine, an informant for the French and British intelligence services (see After March 1997 and Late January 1999), will later recall regularly seeing Aswat at the Finsbury Park mosque where Abu Hamza preaches. Hassaine frequently sees Aswat recruiting young men to join al-Qaeda. “Inside the mosque he would sit with the new recruits telling them about life after death and the obligation of every Muslim to do the jihad against the unbelievers. All the talk was about killing in order to go to paradise and get the 72 virgins.” Aswat also shows potential recruits videos of the militants fighting in Bosnia and Chechnya. Hassaine will add: “He was always wearing Afghan or combat clothes. In the evening he offered some tea to the people who would sit with him to listen to the heroic action of the mujaheddin before joining the cleric for the finishing touch of brainwashing. The British didn’t seem to understand how dangerous these people were.” Hassaine presumably tells his British handlers about Aswat, as he is regularly reporting about activities as the mosque around this time, but the British take no action. [sunday Times (London), 7/31/2005] It will later be reported that Aswat is the mastermind of the 7/7 London bombings (see Late June-July 7, 2005). Some of the 7/7 suicide bombers regularly attended the Finsbury Park mosque, and may have been recruited by al-Qaeda there or at another mosque in Britain. Counterterrorism expert John Loftus will later claim that Aswat in fact was working with British intelligence. He will say that in the late 1990s British intelligence was trying to get Islamist militants to fight in Kosovo against the Serbians and Aswat was part of this recruitment effort (see July 29, 2005

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_possible_moles_or_informants=complete_911_timeline_haroon_rashid_aswat

[JustYield]

There were a lot of questions surrounding 7/7. But I kind of shrugged and moved on.

[Frank Hovis]

Yes, the much-vaunted UK and especially US security services are run by dimwits who are unable to think through the consequences of their actions and instead just react to circumstances. There's a surprise.

I could understand funding these nutters in the context of the cold war where you could only fiight by proxy and my enemy's enemy was automatically my friend. So we backed the mujahedeen in Afghanistan and Ceausescu's mad despotism in Romania because they both weakened the Soviet Union.

However in the former Yugloslavia that was a fool's game. Let's all fund radical paramilitary operations in the heart of Europe, that's a good idea isn't it. Stupid. It wouldn't surprise me if the CIA had given material support to Chechens and Kurds as well since they seem unable to prevent themselves from meddling.

[DisQ]

yep, I think its happening as we speak.

some more material:

Friday, June 18, 2010

ASWAT OF MI6?

According to The Sunday Herald, by 1999, Haroon Rashid Aswat was calling himself a "hit man" for bin Laden.

("Brains behind terror plot may be Brit the security services thought")

In the late 1990s, British Intelligence did not stop Aswat from recruiting for Al-Qaeda in London

Aswat's passport was found on a man killed in action in Afghanistan in early 2003. ("Suspect in London fatal blasts eluded arrest".)

In the weeks before the London bombings, the South African authorities informed the U.S. authorities in New York that Aswat was living in South Africa. ("Suspect in London fatal blasts eluded arrest".)

Aswat slipped back into Britain, through the channel port of Felixstowe, in late June 2005.

Aswat left Britain, through London's Heathrow airport on 7 July 2005, hours before the bombers struck on that day.

("7/7 'Mr Big' seized)

In the first two weeks after the 7 July 2005 London bombings, the UK Police told newspapers that Aswat made some 20 mobile phone calls to two of the suspected bombers, Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, one just hours before the blasts.

("Top al-Qaeda Briton called Tube bombers before attack".)

On 20 July 2005, Aswat was arrested in Zambia.

Aswat arrived in the UK but the UK police said they were not interested in interviewing Aswat in connection with the London Bombings.

Aswat was sent to the USA. ("UK terror suspects lose extradition battle".)

On July 29, 2005, during an interview on Fox News, a former US prosecutor named John Loftus, asserted that Aswat was a double agent, backed by Britain's MI6.

Loftus claimed that MI6 intervened to protect Aswat while he was trying to evade capture.

("Britain now faces its own blowback: Intelligence interests may thwart the July bombings investigation".)

Complete 911 Timeline: Haroon Rashid Aswat

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/

[Lewis Gordon Pugh]

The 7/7 and 9/11 bombings were undertaken by terrorists. There is no doubt about this. The question you have to ask is:

Who were they working for?

[blue skies]

The 7/7 and 9/11 bombings were undertaken by terrorists. There is no doubt about this. The question you have to ask is:

Who were they working for?

Self employed.

Ideals are the motivation.

Terrorist / Hero, depends on your beliefs.

[oracle]

Yes, the much-vaunted UK and especially US security services are run by dimwits who are unable to think through the consequences of their actions and instead just react to circumstances. There's a surprise.

I find that rather difficult to believe.

something has changed,we should have had further attacks by now...we were due some in february/march of this year that didn't happen.

we still aren't out of the woods though...got a few years of potential nasties to come...

there is a possibility of a bit of a re-shuffle happening between now and 2017....the original plan was to get it all done by 2012,but I think that one is on the back burner.

...2014-2015 is still going to be a bit hairy.(the politicians are STILL talking in code,so it certainly hasn't been abandoned).

...they're still wanting to.....rebuld a new world from the rubble of the old,have bonfires of meddlesome legislation,and pay tribute to our troops with an explosion of red,white and blue..

we get the gist.

probably going to resort to unconventional methods to "level the playing field" at some point.

keep a close eye on the middle east.it'll kick off in turkey.

[DisQ]

The 7/7 and 9/11 bombings were undertaken by terrorists. There is no doubt about this. The question you have to ask is:

Who were they working for?

precisely

or who's pulling their strings.

another interesting "coincidence" which hasn't been picked on here.

what are the odds? & why the cover up!!!

On the afternoon and evening of 7th July 2005, information came to light about a private company running a terror rehearsal operation in London at the time that real explosions were reported to have occurred on the transport network. These revelations came not from an anonymous source but instead from the Managing Director of the private firm running the terror rehearsal operation. The private firm is Visor Consultants and the Managing Director in question is Peter Power.

...

Note how Power refers to 'simultaneous bombs going off'. Note also that it wasn't until 9th July 2005, two days after the incidents, that it was revealed the explosions on the underground were 'almost simultaneous'. Power's fictional scenario, as explained by the man himself on the day, bears a closer resemblance to the eventual story of 7/7 than it does to the actual story that had been presented to the public by the police and authorities at the time of his interview.

Only ex-Mossad Chief, Efraim Halevi who wrote in the Jerusalem Post on 7th July 2005 of "the multiple, simultaneous explosions that took place today on the London transportation system" with "near pefect execution" was able to demonstrate the same level of 'insight' as Mr Power. Note: The original article is no longer available on the Jerusalem Post web site although copies can be found on the web.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

[corevalue]

precisely

or who's pulling their strings.

another interesting "coincidence" which hasn't been picked on here.

what are the odds? & why the cover up!!!

Exactly the same as the US exercises involving multiple hijackings of civilian aircraft on 9/11, thus standing down the normal interceptions of aircraft outside of their flight plan. Why did they destroy the tapes of the air traffic controllers discussing the events that day?

Pilotsfor911truth.org obtained the black box recorder for flight 77 (Pentagon) under a FOIA request and reverse-engineered the data. They conclude that the aircraft was too high to hit the Pentagon.

OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 FLIGHT CONTRADICTED BY GOVERNMENT'S OWN DATA

[cattius]

Am I the only one that loves reading this conspiracy theory shit?

[kudukid]

Am I the only one that loves reading this conspiracy theory shit?

Or looking at it?

Show me the plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg

[DisQ]

more questions than answers

but there are clues if you look closely

are you:

Victims Demand Inquiry

JULY 7th 2005, LONDON :

WHEN CORRUPTION BECOMES TREASON

The July 7.05 : 07.40 : Luton to London train was cancelled. The next train to London, the 07.48, arrived at London King's Cross at 08.42: seven minutes before the detonations of the first explosives on the Underground. Ref. Mr C Hudson, Communications Manager, Thameslink Ltd.

As the cancellation could not have been foreseen and with it being far too late to alter the plans, the police released the pre-prepared "four suicide bombers took the 07.40 train" etc. statement.

TONY BLAIR, WITH REMARKABLE SPEED, ANNOUNCED THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PUBLIC INQUIRY.

The London Underground - entrances, platforms, carriages, escalators - has saturation CCTV coverage. No footage showed any evidence of "suicide bombers".

The "four bombers outside Luton Station" photograph - "taken from the" non-existent "CCTV footage" - is an infantile fake : at least three of the four images have been Photoshopped in : white-hat-man has been particularly-badly superimposed with his body in front of the railings and half of his face and lower left arm behind the rails : the rail sections, either side of the phantom, do not line up : at a busy time no-one else is on the photo.

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Eye-witness reports tell of the explosions on the underground being on the rail-tracks : effectively ruling out any external party involvement. "The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. THE METAL WAS PUSHED UPWARDS as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag". Bruce Lait, Cambridge Evening News .

“I knew it was a bomb … A second later and the explosion would have punched a hole in our carriage … our driver .. opened the outer door and LOOKED AT THE TRACK AHEAD. There were huge pieces of metal, which had been ripped out of their rivets, lying about.”

“ … there was a woman .. who was on her back, trapped in the metal WHICH HAD TWISTED UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE CARRIAGE. The roof was still on but the lining of the carriage had been blown off … there was a big hole in the middle of the floor.” POLICE WOMAN Lizzie Kenworthy.

Also, see here, and here.

"An Israeli security firm has been chosen to provide security for London's Underground train network. ... Verint Systems, ... Israeli security companies are usually manned by Shinbet or Mossad ex-agents ...".

By the greatest of coincidences, an “anti-terrorism exercise” was being undertaken at the same time as the “suicide bombers” struck with the same targets at the same time.

The announcement that it was, obviously, military explosives that were used, was quickly changed to "home made" : then followed farcical raids on "home-made-bomb-factory-houses" in Yorkshire etc. TATP MADE IN A BATHTUB.

Stagecoach employees have reported that the no. 30 bus - the one which had the explosive device under the top- deck back-seat - was the only bus diverted after the tube explosions . The previous Saturday, a maintenance group, previously unknown to the depot crew, spent "20 hours" "on CCTV maintenance" on that bus ; an unheard-of length of time for that task. Also here

There has never been any evidence, whatsover, linking the explosions with Islam or the mythical "Al Qaeda".

On July 21 a “failed suicide bombing” stunt was staged .This was to further the idea that “home-made” bombs were used in the July 7 attacks. It also provided the chance to eliminate a witness to the July 7 reality.

The Brazilian contract electrician, Jean Charles de Menezes, executed by agents, probably had inside knowledge of the placing of the devices and/or the mechanisn - “It was like a huge electric surge ..” Bruce Lait - which triggered the explosives.

After 8 weeks and with the "suicide bombers" story falling further apart, the BBC Arabic Service, Al Jazeera, broadcast a "suicide bomber" video ; an obvious fake, parotted, uncritically, by the media. The police/BBC later came up with a "bomber reconnoitre" video and more Al-Qaeda claims.

After 12 weeks the State produced an eye-witness to a suicide bomber detonating a bomb on the tube.

On Oct 28, BBC 2 TV - Horizon allowed ARIEL MERRARI of TEL AVIV UNIVERSITY, MARC SAGEMAN, producer/director ALICKY SUSSMAN and editor, ANDREW COHEN to give us another large helping of the Muslim-killer version, complete with the Photoshop Four photograph .

http://www.london77truth.com/VictimsDemand.htm

[Never Going To Buy !]

The thing I find truly funny, is the fact that if mental muslim nutters really wanted to cause havoc and blow people up, then it would be happening every day in many different ways. I mean, how hard is it to kill some people if you really wanted to ??

[corevalue]

The thing I find truly funny, is the fact that if mental muslim nutters really wanted to cause havoc and blow people up, then it would be happening every day in many different ways. I mean, how hard is it to kill some people if you really wanted to ??

Actually, very trivial. The Irish terrorists were very successful, and they only usually targeted military or quasi-military targets. Very nearly took out Thatcher and her whole entourage in Brighton. Took out Airey Neave in the precints of Westminster. Took out Mountbatten. Blew the middle out of Manchester, £85 million of damage to Canary Wharf, bombs in Hyde Park and Regents Park causing death and injury (directed at military, but involving bystanders), mortarred Downing Street and rockets fired at the MI5 building. And that's just a few of the mainland attacks (a friend had to move because the bomb in the neighbouring drill hall had caused her building to become temporarily unsafe).

It's laughable that the Muslims can cause so much fear and damage with "box cutters", "shoe bombs", "ricin" and shampoo bottles. I mean, seriously, a culture that has a rifle slung on every man's back and make their own ammo can't put together a decent bomb?

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[happy_renting]

I find that rather difficult to believe.

something has changed,we should have had further attacks by now...we were due some in february/march of this year that didn't happen.

we still aren't out of the woods though...got a few years of potential nasties to come...

there is a possibility of a bit of a re-shuffle happening between now and 2017....the original plan was to get it all done by 2012,but I think that one is on the back burner.

...2014-2015 is still going to be a bit hairy.(the politicians are STILL talking in code,so it certainly hasn't been abandoned).

...they're still wanting to.....rebuld a new world from the rubble of the old,have bonfires of meddlesome legislation,and pay tribute to our troops with an explosion of red,white and blue..

we get the gist.

probably going to resort to unconventional methods to "level the playing field" at some point.

keep a close eye on the middle east.it'll kick off in turkey.

So the absence of something you apparently predicted would happen is further evidence of a conspiracy...or you're just babbling as usual.

Nice to see you are backtracking on predictions of 2012 Armageddon already....

[blankster]

The IRA were evil and murderous but, like the Taliban in Afghanistan, they realised they needed to do 'just enough' to unsettle their enemy - like we see these days, with one or two British soldiers being killed every day or two. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, have been bent on mass-murder on a scale far greater than traditional terrorists.

Re. Northern Ireland .... It must be remembered that most casualties in a single day related to the Northern Ireland troubles were in the Republic of Ireland, in Dublin and Monaghan, which killed 33 people and claimed by the UVF.

[blankster]

The IRA were evil and murderous but, like the Taliban in Afghanistan, they realised they needed to do 'just enough' to unsettle their enemy - like we see these days, with one or two British soldiers being killed every day or two. Al Qaeda, on the other hand, have been bent on mass-murder on a scale far greater than traditional terrorists.

Re. Northern Ireland .... It must be remembered that the most casualties sustained in a single day related to the Northern Ireland troubles were in the Republic of Ireland, where bombs in Dublin and Monaghan killed 33 people, responsibility claimed by the UVF.

omething has changed,we should have had further attacks by now..

The early attacks took the west almost completely by surprise. Thereafter, the security services wised up a bit, making attacks more difficult, but not impossible, obviously.

Also, even among radicals, there must be a limited number of people willing to be suicide bombers and possibly a lot of those have already blown themselves up in Iraq.

It would be wrong of me to assume that we're not in danger of further big islamist terrorist attacks, the authorities can't foil every attempt.