European Election Results

[three pint princess]

Meeting at 6pm according to Sky.

Do you think anything will happen, I see it as they slink back and give up till the election in 2010.

[MOP]

Do you think anything will happen, I see it as they slink back and give up till the election in 2010.

If the Lib Dems had beaten Labour into 4th, Brown would probably not have survived the week.

Looks like Brown has won.

[sammysnake]

and all this because people are "outraged" by the expenses scandal

try addressing the outrage people have with this little social engineering experiment Labour has put the country through

disastrous, disgraceful, treasonable.

The longer Brown clings onto his undemocratic obscurity the better, the death of the Labour party is quite enjoyable.

Throughout Europe these neo socialists are being wiped out.

[SarahBell]

Isn't it strange that the south east - the biggest tax hole in Britain, is convinced it subsidises the rest of the UK?

We can charge them a fortune for the water they need too!

[Warwick-Watcher]

This is a very important point, The BNP got fewer votes than they did 5 years ago. The difference is the voters for the main parties not showing up.

What about the fact that each British vote in EU elections is worth about 10% of a Luxembourg (or Malta) vote? Luxembourg has 400,000 population yet gets 6 seats. UK has 61 million yet only gets 72 votes. Luxembourg should have a token single seat in the 27 member EU.

Luxembourg - 83,000 votes = 1 seat (ditto Malta)

UK - 850,000 votes = 1 seat (ditto Germany, Spain, Italy etc. i.e. all the large countries)

[MOP]

and all this because people are "outraged" by the expenses scandal

try addressing the outrage people have with this little social engineering experiment Labour has put the country through

disastrous, disgraceful, treasonable.

The longer Brown clings onto his undemocratic obscurity the better, the death of the Labour party is quite enjoyable.

Throughout Europe these neo socialists are being wiped out.

I would rather have Brown out of there TBH.

I was listening to talk radio over the weekend and I couldn't believe the number of people who think Brown is being treated badly! Lots of people starting to think he is strong and resilient FFS! I'm very concerned that we will get a significant QE-bounce in the coming months, giving Brown the ammo he needs to fool people for the election.

I hope i'm wrong.

Edited June 8, 2009 by MOP

[StoppedClock]

What about the fact that each British vote in EU elections is worth about 10% of a Luxembourg (or Malta) vote? Luxembourg has 400,000 population yet gets 6 seats. UK has 61 million yet only gets 72 votes. Luxembourg should have a token single seat in the 27 member EU.

Luxembourg - 83,000 votes = 1 seat (ditto Malta)

UK - 850,000 votes = 1 seat (ditto Germany, Spain, Italy etc. i.e. all the large countries)

UK is 782,000 people per seat rather than votes.

By rights UK should have 96 seats, with Germany getting 129. The Lux should get .7!!

Interestingly enough the Spanish have the worst deal at 853,000 per seat.

[Guest absolutezero]

The main objective of Mebyon Kernow is to establish greater autonomy in Cornwall, through the establishment of a legislative Cornish Assembly.

Jesus, just how many more layers of Government do we need?!?!?!?! Where is the money for all these Assemblies coming from (don't answer, I already know ).

What next? A Devon Assembly?

I'll answer anyway and also make some comment towards what anorthosite said.

The Regional Assemblies are EU local government offices.

The money comes from taxpayers.

The Scottish "parliament" and the Welsh Assembly "government" are nothing more than sub-sections of the EU government.

They have no say in the grand scheme of things.

Some naive Scots and naive Welsh think they're getting a bit of independence but in reality they're just being marginalised into EU regions. Eventually all British regions (in reality EU regions) will have their own operative regional assembly. The North West one is in Wigan ticking away until it becomes more active. Possibly after that Westminster parliament will be abolished as it won't be needed.

This is unless the sinister EU project is put to bed.

[Hawk]

I have read the BNP's manifesto - or summaries of it.

Undoubtedly they are a xenophobic and backward-looking isolationist party. Sadly they are the only party that is speaking up over the theat of islamification of area s of Britain, though.

+1

This is the real threat. <Islamification>

Why the media are focusing on the Black & White issue isn't the point. It's the main parties giving our freedom away drip by drip.

[Pindar]

I'll answer anyway and also make some comment towards what anorthosite said.

The Regional Assemblies are EU local government offices.

The money comes from taxpayers.

The Scottish "parliament" and the Welsh Assembly "government" are nothing more than sub-sections of the EU government.

They have no say in the grand scheme of things.

Some naive Scots and naive Welsh think they're getting a bit of independence but in reality they're just being marginalised into EU regions. Eventually all British regions (in reality EU regions) will have their own operative regional assembly. The North West one is in Wigan ticking away until it becomes more active. Possibly after that Westminster parliament will be abolished as it won't be needed.

This is unless the sinister EU project is put to bed.

+1

Democracy just gets diminished a little bit more each time a new European "treaty" is signed. I think that most people wouldn't have a problem with some sort of European representation if it worked from the bottom up instead of the top down one-size-fits-all approach that the stuffy, pompous fools who dreamt up the scheme have concocted.

[Nickolarge]

There is an aspect of the Euro elections that I have not seen mentioned anywhere else.

The Tories came first but with a low % and hardly any increase in share of the vote.

More importantly, another right wing party came second.

Labour voters mostly stayed away rather than vote for any of the other choices.

My point is that the main reason why the Tories have had so much time in power for the last 100 years is that the left of centre vote was split between the Liberals and Labour.

If UKIP can keep even half the percentage of the vote that they collected in this election it will cause big problems for the Tories when it comes to size of majority or even getting any majority at all.

If the Tories failed to win, as they often did, when they were the only viable party on the right, they have little chance if the right wing vote is split.

[MOP]

There is an aspect of the Euro elections that I have not seen mentioned anywhere else.

The Tories came first but with a low % and hardly any increase in share of the vote.

More importantly, another right wing party came second.

Labour voters mostly stayed away rather than vote for any of the other choices.

My point is that the main reason why the Tories have had so much time in power for the last 100 years is that the left of centre vote was split between the Liberals and Labour.

If UKIP can keep even half the percentage of the vote that they collected in this election it will cause big problems for the Tories when it comes to size of majority or even getting any majority at all.

If the Tories failed to win, as they often did, when they were the only viable party on the right, they have little chance if the right wing vote is split.

Would you not expect a large amount of the UKIP vote to switch over to the Tories for the GE though?

[CrashConnoisseur]

There is an aspect of the Euro elections that I have not seen mentioned anywhere else.

The Tories came first but with a low % and hardly any increase in share of the vote.

More importantly, another right wing party came second.

Labour voters mostly stayed away rather than vote for any of the other choices.

My point is that the main reason why the Tories have had so much time in power for the last 100 years is that the left of centre vote was split between the Liberals and Labour.

If UKIP can keep even half the percentage of the vote that they collected in this election it will cause big problems for the Tories when it comes to size of majority or even getting any majority at all.

If the Tories failed to win, as they often did, when they were the only viable party on the right, they have little chance if the right wing vote is split.

In First Past The Post elections voters tend to vote tactically for one of two credible candidates.

[whiterabbit]

Would you not expect a large amount of the UKIP vote to switch over to the Tories for the GE though?

I also think the Tories could be in for problems losing votes to both the BNP and UKIP at GE time. Cameron has really alienated the right of the party (such as me).

[agmoldham]

The real key figure for Gordon Brown is 20%. If the labour vote is under 20% he'll be gone by Tuesday evening. If it's over 20% he may survive.

Bang goes another prediction! Ironically the scale of the disaster probably saved Brown as Labour would have been heavily defeated in an autumn election had they got rid of him in the last few days. He'll almost certainly go in the autumn as that will allow Labour to hold the election in the spring of next year with a new leader and lots of newly printed money providing a false dawn for the economy.