Mr Nice Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 you must pay for your own medicine's their not free even if you have cancer..the cost of medicine in the USA is the highest in the world,that's why a lot of people have to go to canda to buy their medicine's. that's just not true. in america people have what are called "co-pays" where a generic drug prescription might cost 5 dollars and a name brand would be 10, with the insurance company or government covering the rest. everyones insurance pays the majority of prescriptions for the most part. the people that were going to canada and mexico to buy meds were for the most part senior citizens, but a new bill was passed that has added prescription drug coverage to medicare so that is likely to fall off considerably. (Medicare part D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabHand Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 that's just not true.in america people have what are called "co-pays" where a generic drug prescription might cost 5 dollars and a name brand would be 10, with the insurance company or government covering the rest. everyones insurance pays the majority of prescriptions for the most part. the people that were going to canada and mexico to buy meds were for the most part senior citizens, but a new bill was passed that has added prescription drug coverage to medicare so that is likely to fall off considerably. (Medicare part D) That lasts about 6 months and then your are on your OWN. It really isn't the best system for long term ill health, especially as you often find you have to stop working...long term illness can do that... and then your work cover runs down (6 months). Ah anyway peace dude, l've got nothing else to say. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robo1968 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 How many of the strikers and union bosses have been gorging themselves on cheap tat made in sweatshops around the world? every single last one of them bet they didn't give a sh*t about the workers knocking out their £3 Asda jeans or the farmers without enough water coz its been diverted to their fancy holiday hotels.Stupid union bosses now want a bailout so they can keep spending and keep the exploitation of foreign workers going. Everyone wants a bailout so we can continue to live off the sweat of the thirld world - well fact is it can't continue. Even the unemployed get a better standard of living in this country than many in the thirld world. Isn't right can't last. We've been living off the sweat of others due purely to a Ponzi financial scam that valued our labour significantly higher than the labour of the more industrious. Relative poverty my ar*e, relative to what the slums in Delhi? No! Everytime I see a programme with poor people at home in this country they seem to have a plasma telly, DVD player, fridge freezer, 4WD, and pictures on the wall of their last rip to the Costas and all they do is moan about how long it will be t'ill they get a bailout. The vast majority of the adult population of this country never really grew up. That's the crux of it, we have been in growth so long we don't know what hard times are really like, I used to work for a Distributor whose idea of 'Sales' was answering the phone, taking orders and getting paid commission for it.....wake up, the under 30s have never seen it as tough as it is going to be, in fact it could be tougher than that! Criticising the union bosses is ok but what as a nation can be done to reverse this? One one hand they are as guilty as the rest of us but when are we collectively going to do something about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXLONDONMAN Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 that's just not true.in america people have what are called "co-pays" where a generic drug prescription might cost 5 dollars and a name brand would be 10, with the insurance company or government covering the rest. everyones insurance pays the majority of prescriptions for the most part. the people that were going to canada and mexico to buy meds were for the most part senior citizens, but a new bill was passed that has added prescription drug coverage to medicare so that is likely to fall off considerably. (Medicare part D) i wish what you said was 100% true,,co-pays doesn't cover all drugs,many drugs are not allowed to be generic,in the USA the drug compaines have the government in their pocket.that's why they pay bn's to lobby congress...so in the usa everything is just great for the poor ... in the usa election it came up again and again the people wanted cheap medicare..ok they were all crazy,,the bbc just made a doc on this subject, just a couple of weeks ago so they made it all up... no not very funny for the people they showed with their health problems and no cover..people drove 100's of miles to get free help !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) That lasts about 6 months and then your are on your OWN. It really isn't the best system for long term ill health, especially as you often find you have to stop working...long term illness can do that... and then your work cover runs down (6 months).Ah anyway peace dude, l've got nothing else to say. Cheers. again, that's just not true. there is no "time limit" on medicare. for the average working person going to america you really aren't going to notice anything much different about the healthcare system. you might have to pay co-pays, but you keep a lot more of your taxes so it all balances out. if you are young and able bodied with little income or a part time job, america isn't the place to go if you need medical assistance. Edited February 2, 2009 by Mr Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingnomad Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 You are a mug if you flip burgers for a living! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 What do you have to do to be an ars*hole? pay taxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Bowman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 You are a mug if you flip burgers for a living! Personally as an employer I call mugs people who look down on 'any' form of legal employment. Those sort of people also tend to believe the media and post things like this: "You only have to look around the media for lots of stories of green shoots etc. They cannot all be lies! There must be something in the reports." 21st Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXLONDONMAN Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 pay taxes I pay because i have no choice,just like everyone else, one day if we get a choice just like the super rich, i too will not pay...!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravity always wins Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Criticising the union bosses is ok but what as a nation can be done to reverse this? The market is attempting to do its work but the feckless are trying to prevent it. In the end there must be a relative revaluation of the cost of labour between the East and West and thus relative standards of living. Its going to hurt us a lot more than them poor people have less to lose. Actually the poor are about to realise that us rich countries! (LOL) will have to default on the obligations we built up in return for all their hard work and ingenuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stars Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Just makes me laugh how ironic some of the views are around here (HPC and UK). It's all the fault of foreign workers/ the government for allowing foreign workers in. But anyone in a low-paid job is a mug. We should all be getting paid great salaries for doing really complicated jobs...but not non-jobs like financial services...or public sector...and..erm...get foreign workers in to do the low-paid stuff....but not the well-paid stuff..erm....erm That's more or less where you end up if you don't have any coherent theory of what is happening, or rather why it's happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stars Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 The market is attempting to do its work but the feckless are trying to prevent it. In the end there must be a relative revaluation of the cost of labour between the East and West and thus relative standards of living. Its going to hurt us a lot more than them poor people have less to lose. It would be far less painful if, instead of living standards falling, the unneccesary costs relating to working for a living fell, so that working people could compete - But because one of the principle handicapping costs for people working in the UK is the PRICE OF REAL ESTATE, and the UK is run by real estate interests, this issue is very unlikely to be dealt with. Instead we will try to pretend that it is workable to simply not pay people for their labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 again, that's just not true.there is no "time limit" on medicare. for the average working person going to america you really aren't going to notice anything much different about the healthcare system. you might have to pay co-pays, but you keep a lot more of your taxes so it all balances out. if you are young and able bodied with little income or a part time job, america isn't the place to go if you need medical assistance. But many needy Americans are not eligible for medicare. And your alluding to the ER option if you're in pain is quite ridiculous and ill informed. ER deals with acute problems, it doesn't deal with chronic illnesses, so if you can't afford drugs for chemo, that's hard cheese. like the woman - featured on Panorama a few weeks back - who had to choose between rent and prescription fees and endded up living in a tent by a river while undergoing chemotherapy. And my point about screaming in pain but not being able to get any palliative relief still stands. ER attendance does not cover chronic illnesses. They may give someone a shot of morphine, but then you are discharged and that's it. And while you think only one in six is acceptable, I think it's disgusting, and the figure is bound to grow since meical insurance is linked to work, and many millions are losing their jobs. I bet you're young and fit aren't you? Try putting yourself in the shoes of the less fortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Cook Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) But many needy Americans are not eligible for medicare.And your alluding to the ER option if you're in pain is quite ridiculous and ill informed. ER deals with acute problems, it doesn't deal with chronic illnesses, so if you can't afford drugs for chemo, that's hard cheese. like the woman - featured on Panorama a few weeks back - who had to choose between rent and prescription fees and endded up living in a tent by a river while undergoing chemotherapy. And my point about screaming in pain but not being able to get any palliative relief still stands. ER attendance does not cover chronic illnesses. They may give someone a shot of morphine, but then you are discharged and that's it. And while you think only one in six is acceptable, I think it's disgusting, and the figure is bound to grow since meical insurance is linked to work, and many millions are losing their jobs. I bet you're young and fit aren't you? Try putting yourself in the shoes of the less fortunate. He wont becasue essenmtially he doesn't give a f*ck However, he has a need to have a superficial veneer of moral underpinning in his views. Partially because his extreme selfishness will probably not sit well with his wider cultural programming that says we should help the less fortunate than ourselves and partially becase it is still not (yet) culturally acceptable to be a totally bare faced selfish bugger. Hopefully his views are baced on the bravado of youth and not on personally massive resources. If they are based on youth, given where our economies are headed, he'll get his comuppance Edited February 2, 2009 by Steve Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 He wont because essentially he doesn't give a f*ck You are right, Steve. Mr Nice is, I fear, not very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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