Can Someone Please Give Me 1 Reason

[patprimer74]

...a whole generation of people are seeing their extensive talents wasted because there aren't jobs for them to do.

What planet are you on, BB? Do you really believe that there is some great organiser out there who looks at people like you and says " Aaahhh, bless! He's spent 20 years in education so he deserves a job."

If you haven't yet realised it, it's time you learn that people are rewarded for their perceived ability to contribute to an organisation, not for the number of exams they've passed.

And, what the hell has this got to do with who's in government? Are other parties promising to give plum jobs to every failure like you? I doubt it.

p

[cockrobin]

Voting Labour should be a criminal offence. Knowingly voting for the party that brought us the winter of discontent is in my opinion is a prison worthy act!

Edited May 24, 2007 by cockrobin

[cockrobin]

What planet are you on, BB? Do you really believe that there is some great organiser out there who looks at people like you and says " Aaahhh, bless! He's spent 20 years in education so he deserves a job."

If you haven't yet realised it, it's time you learn that people are rewarded for their perceived ability to contribute to an organisation, not for the number of exams they've passed.

p

Under Labour people are rewarded for doing nothing and penalised for working hard.

Surely you've realised this?

[Peter Knivett]

Start with Autosport magazine (if you haven't already.) The last copy I had dated May 10th that I fished out of the bin to illustrate this point had vacancies from RML, Honda, Williams, Spyker and BMW Sauber. Buy it every week, it's the place to search for motorsport jobs.

Failing that, try getting a support role with any motorsport team on a pro level, even if it's just as a truckie cum gofer position to start with. There are always openings, I have been involved with BTCC and GT teams over the last decade and they are always on the lookout for people, but it can be a precarious existence. Go a touring car meeting on Friday practice when you can get into the pits and just ask around. Attend the local round of the British Rally Championship. Do anything - move the mohammed (sic) to the mountain. It's a dog eat dog business and it pays to short cut the system.

But your point about relocating overseas for work is a valid one. France, Italy and Germany all have thriving motorsport sectors and even Dubai has plenty of opportunities, but mainly on the race school type side of things.

As for the carping comments on the rest of this page, just ignore them. Motorsport's a fine profession to be in, after all I'm writing this from France, in a house that I own outright and I'm still working in the industry, albeit in a media capacity, whereas most of the others on this forum seem preoccupied with paranoid navel gazing about the diminishing returns from their investments.

[Xurbia]

What planet are you on, BB? Do you really believe that there is some great organiser out there who looks at people like you and says " Aaahhh, bless! He's spent 20 years in education so he deserves a job."

If you haven't yet realised it, it's time you learn that people are rewarded for their perceived ability to contribute to an organisation, not for the number of exams they've passed.

And, what the hell has this got to do with who's in government? Are other parties promising to give plum jobs to every failure like you? I doubt it.

p

For once I find myself in total agreement with you Pat.

Gordon Brown doesn't have any academic qualifications of any use and yet he became Chancellor. This man is proof of the nobcheese pudding you are eating. If you're a complete tw@t who steals pensions and inflates house prices you are perceived as doing to good job. If you ever needed proof that an idiot will do look at Tony Blair. Without any military expertise or evidence he can merrily trot off to war.

I must be one of the lucky ones. I did obtain some qualifications and accidently landed my first job based on my education. That used to be the general idea until a bunch of half-wits (NU-Labour) decided to dilute the education system. So what sort of government would allow somebody to educate themselves but then be unfit for work? A Labour government.

Even when you are successful they ship jobs abroad or just import it in truck-loads. The temerity of somebody actually wanting a job because they're educated!

Edited May 24, 2007 by Xurbia

[Xurbia]

Start with Autosport magazine (if you haven't already.) The last copy I had dated May 10th that I fished out of the bin to illustrate this point had vacancies from RML, Honda, Williams, Spyker and BMW Sauber. Buy it every week, it's the place to search for motorsport jobs.

Failing that, try getting a support role with any motorsport team on a pro level, even if it's just as a truckie cum gofer position to start with. There are always openings, I have been involved with BTCC and GT teams over the last decade and they are always on the lookout for people, but it can be a precarious existence. Go a touring car meeting on Friday practice when you can get into the pits and just ask around. Attend the local round of the British Rally Championship. Do anything - move the mohammed (sic) to the mountain. It's a dog eat dog business and it pays to short cut the system.

But your point about relocating overseas for work is a valid one. France, Italy and Germany all have thriving motorsport sectors and even Dubai has plenty of opportunities, but mainly on the race school type side of things.

As for the carping comments on the rest of this page, just ignore them. Motorsport's a fine profession to be in, after all I'm writing this from France, in a house that I own outright and I'm still working in the industry, albeit in a media capacity, whereas most of the others on this forum seem preoccupied with paranoid navel gazing about the diminishing returns from their investments.

Nice encouraging post.

[cockrobin]

For once I find myself in total agreement with you Pat.

Gordon Brown doesn't have any academic qualifications of any use and yet he became Chancellor. This man is proof of the nobcheese pudding you are eating. If you're a complete tw@t who steals pensions and inflates house prices you are perceived as doing to good job. If you ever needed proof that an idiot will do look at Tony Blair. Without any military expertise or evidence he can merrily trot off to war.

I must be one of the lucky ones. I did obtain some qualifications and was accidently landed my first job based on my education. That used to be the general idea until a bunch of half-wits (NU-Labour) decided to dilute the education system. So what sort of government would allow somebody to educate themselves but then be unfit for work? A Labour government.

Even when you are successful they ship jobs abroad or just import it in truck-loads. The temerity of somebody actually wanting a job because they're educated!

Don't call NU-Labour half-wits, you'll offend pratprimer, he's a member!

[Xurbia]

he's a member!

Quite

[cockrobin]

Start with Autosport magazine (if you haven't already.) The last copy I had dated May 10th that I fished out of the bin to illustrate this point had vacancies from RML, Honda, Williams, Spyker and BMW Sauber. Buy it every week, it's the place to search for motorsport jobs.

Failing that, try getting a support role with any motorsport team on a pro level, even if it's just as a truckie cum gofer position to start with. There are always openings, I have been involved with BTCC and GT teams over the last decade and they are always on the lookout for people, but it can be a precarious existence. Go a touring car meeting on Friday practice when you can get into the pits and just ask around. Attend the local round of the British Rally Championship. Do anything - move the mohammed (sic) to the mountain. It's a dog eat dog business and it pays to short cut the system.

But your point about relocating overseas for work is a valid one. France, Italy and Germany all have thriving motorsport sectors and even Dubai has plenty of opportunities, but mainly on the race school type side of things.

As for the carping comments on the rest of this page, just ignore them. Motorsport's a fine profession to be in, after all I'm writing this from France, in a house that I own outright and I'm still working in the industry, albeit in a media capacity, whereas most of the others on this forum seem preoccupied with paranoid navel gazing about the diminishing returns from their investments.

A positive encouraging post at last. Nice one.

[Flick]

I have however CSA payments

I just cannot think of one reason to stay in this country anymore

[Bootstrap]

Under Labour people are rewarded for doing nothing and penalised for working hard.

Surely you've realised this?

In addition to this, people are rewarded for being financially feckless and penalised for being prudent.

[Guest Skint Academic]

To all those people that think a motorsports degree is pointless. Consider where the technology comes from next time you appreciate the handling, speed and responsiveness of your BMW / Mercedes / hatchback etc

There's a Motorsports department here at the university I work in. It looks like fascinating stuff, and enjoying your work is half the battle as then you are more motivated to learn and do better. I often wonder what my life would be like if I had chosen such a degree instead of Computer Science. I could well have been working for a consumer car company such as BMW in Bavaria. That's the kind of place I would be applying for. Or somewhere completely different. The degree provides many transferable engineering skills. Anything with a combustion engine would benefit from the skills that such a degree provides.

You cannot be sure where a degree will take you. My brother did an Astronautics and Aeronautics degree in Southampton. He didn't get the grades to compete in the aeronautical industry. He now works as a software engineer. I did a computer science degree and then specialised in artificial intelligence. Last year I worked in an aeronautical company ... in Southampton.

So my advice, do some out of the box thinking about the different areas that you skills can be applied to and ignore the idiots trying to put you down. It's easier to put someone down than to make something of your own life.

[Ah-so]

The truth nobody wants to face is that regardless of what you know or how good you are there are only so many jobs paying a resonable slary available at any given time in the UK. The pool of jobs in this country paying 20k+ is shrinking, the only area of growth in very low paid Mcjob rubbish. Several years out of university (a very good one at that)and not one of my peer group is earning anything close to 25k.

You have some excellent qualifications and am surprised you are finding it so hard to find work paying £20k+. What type of field are you trying to get work in?

[Toxic Teds Ghost]

Sounds like you are having a number of problems.

I gained a degree without looking into the job opportunities also. I think it is time to reconsider. I would suggest you apply for work in admin within the sector you are interested in, that way you have bought some time and can actually find out about the opportunities.

CSA - I am not qualified on this one.

Accomodation - My take it that you will need to live somewhere. I would move back with your parents or rent a room until you are on your feet.

Moving country - I dont think that is the solution but if you have more opportunities outside the uk yes do so.

It sounds like you have a lot of headaches but just remember you have to stand on your own two feet, no one owes you anything and that you are probably clever enough to know this so I would just say toughen up a bit emotionally and get on with it.

[edwardbear]

There's a Motorsports department here at the university I work in. It looks like fascinating stuff, and enjoying your work is half the battle as then you are more motivated to learn and do better. I often wonder what my life would be like if I had chosen such a degree instead of Computer Science. I could well have been working for a consumer car company such as BMW in Bavaria. That's the kind of place I would be applying for. Or somewhere completely different. The degree provides many transferable engineering skills. Anything with a combustion engine would benefit from the skills that such a degree provides.

bit OT but a few IT contractors I know have worked on projects with BMW in Munich so you could still work there with an IT degree.