goodgamegoodgame Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 What!!!!???? run that by me again.. 1 in 6 of "British" muslims think it's ok to go and blow up innocent people on their way to work. The total number of muslims is estimated at 3 million, so we're talking about 500,000 of them who think it's heroic to detonate a bomb on a crowded tube train. And then they complain because the occasional wrong house gets raided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 two minutes hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodgamegoodgame Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share Posted July 4, 2006 two minutes hate You're damn right I hate them if that's what they think. I'd hate my own people if they thought the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tenant super Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 two minutes hate Yer exactly, I'm getting a bit jaded with all these things I'm supposed to hate, 1/6 of UK Muslims, all Americans, Cristiano Ronaldo, Gordon Brown, Kirsty Allsop, Scots, French Farmers, Polish immigrants, BTLers, STR life coaches, and so on. Have got to the point where I'm wondering if there really isnt a more constructive approach to life. I think after two years on this site I've realised I'm actually an optimist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 1 in 6 they say and inflation is running at 2% and they only let 120k immigrants in each year ! my eyes tell me something else. We get ID cards because Blair wants our borders open so we he cheap labour and then we are told that we must let big brother look at our bank accounts in case we are laundering money and our rights are being taken away. Blair is just playing a game with us and it’s time we stopped him and rolled back the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurejon Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 He is indeed playing a game. For the man who let terrorists setup shop in London unhindered for years, its a bit rich now coming out with the "You are either with us or against us" line. I would find it very very hard indeed to believe that Muslims en mass would support the London bombings. I think we should understand that Muslims have been living peacefully in the UK for donkeys years, its only of late we are getting a bad bunch. How daft is this Government to go to war with Iraq, then allow Iraqi Assylum Seekers (Males of fighting age) into our country. Unfortunately the good Muslims (Peacefull and Respectfull) are being tarred with the evil Brush of Socialism that is sweeping our nation today. Divide and rule is the end game, I just hope the people wake up to the facts before the dictators get their evil way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 He is indeed playing a game. For the man who let terrorists setup shop in London unhindered for years, its a bit rich now coming out with the "You are either with us or against us" line. I would find it very very hard indeed to believe that Muslims en mass would support the London bombings. I think we should understand that Muslims have been living peacefully in the UK for donkeys years, its only of late we are getting a bad bunch. How daft is this Government to go to war with Iraq, then allow Iraqi Asylum Seekers (Males of fighting age) into our country. Unfortunately the good Muslims (Peaceful and Respectful) are being tarred with the evil Brush of Socialism that is sweeping our nation today. Divide and rule is the end game, I just hope the people wake up to the facts before the dictators get their evil way. I was dodging IRA bombs when going about my daily business for years. Then 9/11, I'm suddenly made aware of the new enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollk Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Divide and rule is the end game, I just hope the people wake up to the facts before the dictators get their evil way. That is not going to happen, I am sorry to say I have said for a while now it is plain for all (those awake) this government are purposly undermining perfectly adequate law and in my opinion inciting racial hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Without wishing to sound pedantic, you really have to take this kind of statement with an incredibly large dose of salt. You need to evaluate the sample size - is it really big enough to be representative? Ask 6 folk 1 says yes that does not give any indication that 1/6 of all muslims do. Second you need to evaluate what question was asked, and who by, and how the answers are analysed and again by who. Often with these things the question has 2 parts to which you agree or disagree to both parts simultaneously, usually backed by some agenda. 'Independant scientific labs' are classics. Third you must evalute how the question was asked. Questionaire on line? Questionaire in a rail station? Would the people be lieing or extending the truth, commuters or dolees, in a hurry or enjoying the experience? Do they stop and ask freaky looking guys or just the ones that look approachable. Another very important thing you must consider is the 'who cares' variable. Consider a questionaire about the publics view on veganism. As a guy who likes a steak or 2, I am unlikely to bother completing a questionaire about the perception of vegans. A vegan on the other hand would be much more likely to get involved as it is relevant to them, thereby skewing the answers. Send out 10000 questionaires and get 250 back - broadly from vegans or people who care about the question. In a similar vein, a questionaire about muslim extremism is potentially more likely to be completed by an extremist who is proud of their views than someone who thinks it all a bit silly and overblown. Anyway, enjoy your scare stats. If they don't give you access to the method, the actual questions and the sample group demographic and size, its all a bit pap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 That is not going to happen, I am sorry to say I have said for a while now it is plain for all (those awake) this government are purposly undermining perfectly adequate law and in my opinion inciting racial hatred. yes i've often beleived that as they immigrants keep getting special treatment and us locals are left at the back of the queue. maybe if they got the same treatment as us i wouldn't be voting BNP like i do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allme Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 yes i've often beleived that as they immigrants keep getting special treatment and us locals are left at the back of the queue. maybe if they got the same treatment as us i wouldn't be voting BNP like i do. I´m sorry to have to admit it but I agree 1000000%. We cant fly our flag without it offeneding some culture or other, we cant say happy christmas in some areas as it offends, we now have to say seasons greetings........I cant say i´m an English man, i have to say I´m british.......i´m not F**King British, I´m English...........a Scots man is Scottish, A Welsh Man is Welsh etc etc..........I´M ENGLISH...I could go on, and I know you know this. I dont mind if someone has there own beliefs, thats how it should be....but WHY CANT I HAVE MINE, why has my country been taken away from me, to the extent that i now feel i cant live there anymore...... Peace is´nt that what we all want??? Sorry just had to have 2 pence worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodgamegoodgame Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 Without wishing to sound pedantic, you really have to take this kind of statement with an incredibly large dose of salt. You need to evaluate the sample size - is it really big enough to be representative? Ask 6 folk 1 says yes that does not give any indication that 1/6 of all muslims do. Second you need to evaluate what question was asked, and who by, and how the answers are analysed and again by who. Often with these things the question has 2 parts to which you agree or disagree to both parts simultaneously, usually backed by some agenda. 'Independant scientific labs' are classics. Third you must evalute how the question was asked. Questionaire on line? Questionaire in a rail station? Would the people be lieing or extending the truth, commuters or dolees, in a hurry or enjoying the experience? Do they stop and ask freaky looking guys or just the ones that look approachable. Another very important thing you must consider is the 'who cares' variable. Consider a questionaire about the publics view on veganism. As a guy who likes a steak or 2, I am unlikely to bother completing a questionaire about the perception of vegans. A vegan on the other hand would be much more likely to get involved as it is relevant to them, thereby skewing the answers. Send out 10000 questionaires and get 250 back - broadly from vegans or people who care about the question. In a similar vein, a questionaire about muslim extremism is potentially more likely to be completed by an extremist who is proud of their views than someone who thinks it all a bit silly and overblown. Anyway, enjoy your scare stats. If they don't give you access to the method, the actual questions and the sample group demographic and size, its all a bit pap. Maybe you should contact the Times and tell them they don't know how to commission expert surveys that you find palatable. (doubt if the ultra multiculturalist propaganda machine at the BBC would have referred to it if they thought it was false) It just shows how much this country has changed for the worse, when a report that half a million of "its citizens" support the idea of suicide bombings against the general public barely elicits a yawn let alone any kind of sense of outrage. If you'd predicted that even 5 years ago you would have been laughed at. I'd rather not spend my life disliking anyone, but what are you supposed to do as we get pushed further and further into a corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollk Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 yes i've often beleived that as they immigrants keep getting special treatment and us locals are left at the back of the queue. maybe if they got the same treatment as us i wouldn't be voting BNP like i do. Thing is Justice, when our area's or facilities have money spent on them, we complain it isn't good enough, when in fact it is, we also generally abuse these facilities and services. We have had various new playground facilities in our area and one particular example, designed for 3 year-olds was repeatadly defaced and vandelised as it was being built. 8 weeks on it still isn't quite finished and I suspect the contractors have now abanded it! Would that happen in an area targeted at the ethnic minority? Maybe a daft question really but I suspect we all know what the answer is likely to be... Also what exactly do they get that we don't? - actually I admit printing council leaflets in their native language IS going too far but don't forget a lot of these people do jobs that we can't be bothered or can't afford to do, mainly because we woudln't be able to buy that plasma tv or we have bad knees, our back hurts or we have alcholism and it is mandatory the state provide us with enough bear to feed our pathetic habit I really am gob smacked as I go about my everyday life earning my money and have to listen to some of the racial hatred that comes out of peoples mouths, especially here in Manchester. in my opinion it is not from their own views or experiences, but comes from ill thought out headlines designed only to sell newspapers. Maybe if more people started reading into and questioning the statistics a bit then we might start to see a little more truth and transparency in these reports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worried Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Maybe you should contact the Times and tell them they don't know how to commission expert surveys that you find palatable. (doubt if the ultra multiculturalist propaganda machine at the BBC would have referred to it if they thought it was false) It just shows how much this country has changed for the worse, when a report that half a million of "its citizens" support the idea of suicide bombings against the general public barely elicits a yawn let alone any kind of sense of outrage. If you'd predicted that even 5 years ago you would have been laughed at. I'd rather not spend my life disliking anyone, but what are you supposed to do as we get pushed further and further into a corner? from the people i talk to most of this country seems to be simmering just below boiling point. :angry: tipping point (1928 germany )not long off i suspect. funny how history repeats itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solvent Celt Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 don't forget a lot of these people do jobs that we can't be bothered or can't afford to do, yep immigrants doing jobs we can't be bothered with like these Somalis enriching Cardiff you mean? Oh hang on. Only 5% of Cardiff Somalis are in employment, according to a report on social exclusion in Wales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodgamegoodgame Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 from the people i talk to most of this country seems to be simmering just below boiling point. :angry: You're right, it's palpable. I was talking about the establishment media though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollk Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 yep immigrants doing jobs we can't be bothered with like these Somalis enriching Cardiff you mean? Oh hang on. Only 5% of Cardiff Somalis are in employment, according to a report on social exclusion in Wales. Nice example, that is exactly the kind of meaningless headline I am on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePiltdownMan Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 You have to wonder how many of the 5/6 were being honest about their beliefs. The koran teaches that it is permitted to be deceitful to the unbeliever. The lack of any real condemnation after the events spoke volumes, especially when compared to their actions after some cartoons were published abroad. Even this week they are planning the a huge islamic festival in London which happens to coincide with the anniversary of the bombings. It is not too much to say they take real pleasure from twisting the knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiterabbit Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 You have to wonder how many of the 5/6 were being honest about their beliefs. The koran teaches that it is permitted to be deceitful to the unbeliever. The lack of any real condemnation after the events spoke volumes, especially when compared to their actions after some cartoons were published abroad. Even this week they are planning the a huge islamic festival in London which happens to coincide with the anniversary of the bombings. It is not too much to say they take real pleasure from twisting the knife. You are absolutly correct, I believe in reality the number would be much higher especially among the under 30 year old group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Maybe you should contact the Times and tell them they don't know how to commission expert surveys that you find palatable. (doubt if the ultra multiculturalist propaganda machine at the BBC would have referred to it if they thought it was false) It just shows how much this country has changed for the worse, when a report that half a million of "its citizens" support the idea of suicide bombings against the general public barely elicits a yawn let alone any kind of sense of outrage. If you'd predicted that even 5 years ago you would have been laughed at. Firstly you clearly have no understanding of the purpose of headlines. Secondly you appear to have a blind faith in a 'name' - and authoritative figure that enables publication of warped statistics without question. BBC is hyping anti multicultural feeling, fear of immigrants fear of strangers fear of anything they can get their hands on. I am suprised you don't see it. I really suggest you do yourself a favour and get a copy of 'How to lie with statistics' by Darrell Huff. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0140136...ce&n=266239 This will give you the basic tools to understand the concepts of statistical presentation as used to decieve and misinform. In fact, why don't you add a new+used to your wish list and I'll happily get it for you, as long as you promise to read it. (its a quick easy read). The main reason you'd have been laughed at 5 or 10 years ago is that at that time we still had a few serious editors and journalists, who at least in the times and bbc would not consider publishing such crass nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Additionally you can go here http://www.populuslimited.com/ and click on the latest timesonline poll. This will enable you to see the questions asked, and the percent of the respondants. Try to think about the questions dispassionately, and then think what you would answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbird900 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Piltdown, I agree with you. Did the Muslims who decided to time their cultural festival at Alexandra Palace with the anniversary of the 7/7 bombings not realise how stupid this was? I for one am fed up with hearing about the Muslim community, how the Koran is interpreted and the acceptable face of Islam. Why can't they for once just keep quiet and let this country quietly remember the innocent people killed? I personally think this mad and bad excuse for a religion is the biggest threat this country has faced since World War 2. When millions of people blindly pledge their faith to archaic and medieval beliefs, when these same people justify everything they do based on centuries old text coming from one book, this country should realise it must do everything in it's power to stop this madness. Stop pandering to these people, stop trying to understand them. Give them a stark choice. Either integrate and adapt to this country or go elsewhere to a Muslim country where they can be with like minded individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Good work richB. What if the shoe was on the other foot. One year ago today a handful of innocent people died violently. Since the invasion of Iraq nearly 10,000 innocent MUSLIM men, women and children have died needlessly. Thousands more died under Saddam, a dictator funded by the US. And in Iran, after the introduction of the SAVAK security forces by the CIA, locking up their president who was going to bring true democracy to the country and murdering most of the government. This isn't BS, the information comes straight from the horses mouth! Who do you think funded the Taliban and allowed them to take power. Most people in this country have never experienced torture, imprisonment or lived in a state of permanent terror, so they have NOT the intellect to appreciate the bigger picture only uncomplicated statistics appealing to the lowest common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Piltdown, I agree with you. Did the Muslims who decided to time their cultural festival at Alexandra Palace with the anniversary of the 7/7 bombings not realise how stupid this was? I for one am fed up with hearing about the Muslim community, how the Koran is interpreted and the acceptable face of Islam. Why can't they for once just keep quiet and let this country quietly remember the innocent people killed? I personally think this mad and bad excuse for a religion is the biggest threat this country has faced since World War 2. When millions of people blindly pledge their faith to archaic and medieval beliefs, when these same people justify everything they do based on centuries old text coming from one book, this country should realise it must do everything in it's power to stop this madness. Stop pandering to these people, stop trying to understand them. Give them a stark choice. Either integrate and adapt to this country or go elsewhere to a Muslim country where they can be with like minded individuals. I am a Hindu born here in the UK. I am also sick and tired of hearing Muslim this and Muslim that. Other religions seem to settle down here / intergrate here in the UK, Why does one particular group (sorry don't want to say that word again) has to ruin it for everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I am a Hindu born here in the UK. I am also sick and tired of hearing Muslim this and Muslim that. Other religions seem to settle down here / intergrate here in the UK, Why does one particular group (sorry don't want to say that word again) has to ruin it for everybody else. Well said that man. trouble is many people tar hindu's with the same brush becuase you look the same and people have no understanding that you are miles apart from the Muslims. Apart from not eating beef hindus are quite the same as us and like beer, drink and lot's of sex and don't want to covert us to what they think or run around killing us all so that they get 16 virgins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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