anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: It's not a war, wars are fought between armies. No. Wars are fought between people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, anonguest said: Have you ever tried actually reading what you write?! That's easy to answer. Surrender or die. It's their choice to make. As you may have noticed they will likely choose to fight? These are proud people who aren't going to meekly shuffle in lines to their destruction. Hence the IDF prefer to bomb them from a distance - even with all the military might they have. And Israel is now trapped. It's only option is to escalate and beg America to save them. But the outcome is inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, anonguest said: No. Wars are fought between people. Well your "people" are using an army to fight against civilian "people" in an act of genocide. Its not a "war" just because you keep bleating the term. It can easily become one though - in fact, that's Israel's only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: As you may have noticed they will likely choose to fight? That's their choice. 9 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: These are proud people No. They are stupid people. For starting a war they cannot win. 9 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: Hence the IDF prefer to bomb them from a distance - even with all the military might they have. How would you prefer they bomb them? 9 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: But the outcome is inevitable. Agreed. They will exterminate HAMAS. Edited April 29 by anonguest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 49 minutes ago, anonguest said: That's their choice. No. They are stupid people. For starting a war they cannot win. How would you prefer they bomb them? Agreed. They will exterminate HAMAS. Israel is the occupying force and the "stupid" people have a right to resist by any means necessary. I would prefer they didn't bomb them at all. The IDF have already failed to achieve a single one of their objectives - they certainly aren't going to "exterminate Khamas". Good chance they will kick off a regional war though. In which case, bye bye Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 4 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: The IDF have already failed to achieve a single one of their objectives Really? Not one?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, anonguest said: Really? Not one?! (Israeli) newspaper Haaretz Saying What Can’t Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – a Total Defeat The war’s aims won’t be achieved, the hostages won’t be returned through military pressure, security won’t be restored and Israel’s international ostracism won’t end by Chaim Levinson | Apr 11, 2024 8:13 pm IDT We’ve lost. Truth must be told. The inability to admit it encapsulates everything you need to know about Israel’s individual and mass psychology. There’s a clear, sharp, predictable reality that we should begin to fathom, to process, to understand and to draw conclusions from for the future. It’s no fun to admit that we’ve lost, so we lie to ourselves. […] We can’t say it, but we’ve lost. People have an inclination to believe in the best and be optimistic, hoping that tomorrow will be okay, that we are in a process that in the end will be more successful. That’s the most fundamental failure of human thought: the notion that the direction we are taking is a good one, that we just need to get there already – that in just a little more time, with a little more effort, the hostages will be returned, Hamas will surrender and Yahya Sinwar will be killed. After all, we’re the good guys, and good will triumph. It’s the same mentality that leads to the notion that “the Iranian regime will soon implode” and other notions that have more to do with Hollywood scripts than life itself. They’re not the truth and it relates to something that’s uncomfortable. After all, it’s uncomfortable telling the public the truth. […] No cabinet minister will restore our sense of personal security. Every Iranian threat will make us tremble. Our international standing was dealt a beating. Our leadership’s weakness was revealed to the outside. For years we managed to fool them into thinking we were a strong country, a wise people and a powerful army. In truth, we’re a shtetl with an air force, and that’s on the condition that its awakened in time. […] Rafah is the newest bluff that the mouthpieces are plying to fool us and make us think that victory is just moments away. By the time they enter Rafah, the actual event will have lost its significance. There may be an incursion, perhaps a tiny one, sometime – say in May. After that, they’ll peddle the next lie, that all we have to do is ________ (fill in the blank), and victory will be on its way. The reality is that the war’s aims will not be achieved. Hamas will not be eradicated. The hostages will not be returned through military pressure. Security will not be reestablished. The more the mouthpieces shout that “we’re winning,” the clearer it is that we’re losing. Lying is their craft. We need to get used to that. Life is less secure than before October 7. The beating we took will sting for years to come. The international ostracism won’t go away. And, of course, the dead won’t be coming back. Nor will many of the hostages. For some of us, life will get back on track, with the petrifying fear of an imminent repeat. And for some of us, life won’t get back on track. Those people will walk among us like the living dead. That’s what we voted for. That’s how it is. We need to get used to the sad reality in our homeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 19 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: (Israeli) newspaper Haaretz Saying What Can’t Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – a Total Defeat The war’s aims won’t be achieved, the hostages won’t be returned through military pressure, security won’t be restored and Israel’s international ostracism won’t end by Chaim Levinson | Apr 11, 2024 8:13 pm IDT We’ve lost. Truth must be told. The inability to admit it encapsulates everything you need to know about Israel’s individual and mass psychology. There’s a clear, sharp, predictable reality that we should begin to fathom, to process, to understand and to draw conclusions from for the future. It’s no fun to admit that we’ve lost, so we lie to ourselves. […] We can’t say it, but we’ve lost. People have an inclination to believe in the best and be optimistic, hoping that tomorrow will be okay, that we are in a process that in the end will be more successful. That’s the most fundamental failure of human thought: the notion that the direction we are taking is a good one, that we just need to get there already – that in just a little more time, with a little more effort, the hostages will be returned, Hamas will surrender and Yahya Sinwar will be killed. After all, we’re the good guys, and good will triumph. It’s the same mentality that leads to the notion that “the Iranian regime will soon implode” and other notions that have more to do with Hollywood scripts than life itself. They’re not the truth and it relates to something that’s uncomfortable. After all, it’s uncomfortable telling the public the truth. […] No cabinet minister will restore our sense of personal security. Every Iranian threat will make us tremble. Our international standing was dealt a beating. Our leadership’s weakness was revealed to the outside. For years we managed to fool them into thinking we were a strong country, a wise people and a powerful army. In truth, we’re a shtetl with an air force, and that’s on the condition that its awakened in time. […] Rafah is the newest bluff that the mouthpieces are plying to fool us and make us think that victory is just moments away. By the time they enter Rafah, the actual event will have lost its significance. There may be an incursion, perhaps a tiny one, sometime – say in May. After that, they’ll peddle the next lie, that all we have to do is ________ (fill in the blank), and victory will be on its way. The reality is that the war’s aims will not be achieved. Hamas will not be eradicated. The hostages will not be returned through military pressure. Security will not be reestablished. The more the mouthpieces shout that “we’re winning,” the clearer it is that we’re losing. Lying is their craft. We need to get used to that. Life is less secure than before October 7. The beating we took will sting for years to come. The international ostracism won’t go away. And, of course, the dead won’t be coming back. Nor will many of the hostages. For some of us, life will get back on track, with the petrifying fear of an imminent repeat. And for some of us, life won’t get back on track. Those people will walk among us like the living dead. That’s what we voted for. That’s how it is. We need to get used to the sad reality in our homeland. Every country has it's own version of The Guardian - that perenially criticises and complains about everything, and doubly so if the government of the day isn't Left wing. What do all the other newspapers say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: No - it's the "pointing out geostrategic military realities" technique. You don't really have much to say about the realities. We all know why. Ah - lobbing in another frog into your mad box lol ? So we're supposed to believe that you are so incensed over criticism of Putins genocidal war you're going to flatten Britain and this is "pointing out geostrategic military realities" ? Maybe I've got it wrong and you're actually from North Korea ? Quote "The US has secretly supplied long-range missiles to Ukraine, sparking off uneasiness and concern of the international community," North Korea's defence ministry said. "The US can never defeat the heroic Russian army and people with any latest weaponry or military support," it added, according to state news agency KCNA. Professor Michael Clarke, Sky News's military analyst, has said North Korea is supplying weapons to Russia - facilitated by China. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-whats-happening-in-ukraine-war-12541713?postid=7601047#liveblog-body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: Israel is the occupying force and the "stupid" people have a right to resist by any means necessary. Two questions. How many Israelis were there in Gaza on October 6th 2023? and, Following your logic... back in the day the IRA would have been perfectly entitled to break into peoples homes, rape the women folk and children, burn people alive and take hostages back across the Ulster border into Eire? Edited April 29 by anonguest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 7 minutes ago, anonguest said: Every country has it's own version of The Guardian - that perenially criticises and complains about everything, and doubly so if the government of the day isn't Left wing. What do all the other newspapers say? They also say: 1. Hostages won’t be returned through military pressure, 2. Security won’t be restored 3. Israel’s international ostracism won’t end 4. Khamas is not currently and will not be eliminated Those are the ones Netanyahu set out. Did you have some OTHER military objectives you have actually achieved? What were they? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 10 minutes ago, pig said: Ah - lobbing in another frog into your mad box lol ? So we're supposed to believe that you are so incensed over criticism of Putins genocidal war you're going to flatten Britain and this is "pointing out geostrategic military realities" ? Maybe I've got it wrong and you're actually from North Korea ? https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-whats-happening-in-ukraine-war-12541713?postid=7601047#liveblog-body Weird - you chuck in a random article as though its making some sort of point then cry about "mad frogs in a box". Russia has already largely neutralised the ATACMS missiles - as they have all the other Wunderwaffe your taxes paid for. Meanwhile they supplied North Korea with Solid-fuel missiles that can now hit anywhere in the US. Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1. Who knows? But they control everything moving in and out of Gaza including people, power ,food, water just as any concentration camp. 2. My "logic" happens to be well established international law. Like I said, crack open a book sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 The university protests are spreading which are driving the genociders crazy. We may start seeing european campus protests soon. Hopefully they wont be deploying literal snipers and assaulting students and staff as the USA has. Updated list of confirmed demonstrations in the US: Berkeley Boston University Brown Cal Poly Humboldt Cal State Polytechnic Carnegie Mellon Claremont Columbia Cornell Emerson Florida State Florida International U Harvard U of Houston Illinois Indiana U U of Kansas Maryland Miami U of Ohio Michigan MIT U of Minnesota U of New Mexico New School Northwestern NYU UNC Chapel Hill UNC Charlotte Ohio State Penn Pitt Pomona Princeton U of Puget Sound Purdue Rice Rochester Rutgers Sciences Po Smith Stanford Swarthmore Temple Texas A & M Tufts UNLV U of South Carolina USC UT Austin UT Dallas UVA UW Seattle Vanderbilt VA Tech Wash U Yale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: They also say: 1. Hostages won’t be returned through military pressure, You seem to have overlooked the nearly 100 that have already been returned (and the few rescued through direct military action) But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies 55 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 2. Security won’t be restored How many HE warhead rockets is HAMAS firing daily recently compared with, say, a few months ago? But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies 55 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 3. Israel’s international ostracism won’t end You mean legions of morons like you were not ostracising Israel before this current war? But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies 55 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 4. Khamas is not currently and will not be eliminated Approx. 15,000 deranged Hamas jihadists eliminated to date. It's a work in progress and the Israeli government did state, from the outset, it would be a long war. But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies 55 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: Those are the ones Netanyahu set out. Did you have some OTHER military objectives you have actually achieved? What were they? LOL I haven't achieved anything. You're still as stupid as the day you first started posting. Edited April 29 by anonguest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 34 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 1. Who knows? But they control everything moving in and out of Gaza including people, power ,food, water just as any concentration camp. You mean just like how, in the latter part of the war, we controlled everything moving in and out of Germany and Japan. 34 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 2. My "logic" happens to be well established international law. Yes. Well, in this universe your logic doesn't count for diddly squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 32 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: The university protests are spreading which are driving the genociders crazy. We may start seeing european campus protests soon. Hopefully they wont be deploying literal snipers and assaulting students and staff as the USA has. Updated list of confirmed demonstrations in the US: Berkeley Boston University Brown Cal Poly Humboldt Cal State Polytechnic Carnegie Mellon Claremont Columbia Cornell Emerson Florida State Florida International U Harvard U of Houston Illinois Indiana U U of Kansas Maryland Miami U of Ohio Michigan MIT U of Minnesota U of New Mexico New School Northwestern NYU UNC Chapel Hill UNC Charlotte Ohio State Penn Pitt Pomona Princeton U of Puget Sound Purdue Rice Rochester Rutgers Sciences Po Smith Stanford Swarthmore Temple Texas A & M Tufts UNLV U of South Carolina USC UT Austin UT Dallas UVA UW Seattle Vanderbilt VA Tech Wash U Yale Niall Ferguson: The Treason of the Intellectuals | The Free Press (thefp.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 16 minutes ago, anonguest said: You seem to have overlooked the nearly 100 that have already been returned (and the few rescued through direct military action) But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies How many HE warhead rockets is HAMAS firing daily recently, compared with few months ago? But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies You mean legions of morons like you were not ostracising Israel before this current war? But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies Approx. 15,000 deranged Hamas jihadists eliminated to date. It's a work in progress and the Israeli government did state, from the outset, it would be a long war. But, as always, you never let facts get in the way of your fantasies I haven't achieved anything. You're still as stupid as the day you first started posting. 1. Oh the military objective has changed to "a few of the hostages will be freed"? Don't remember Netanyahu saying that 2. Security isn't restored according to the IDF - that's the justification they are using to go into Rafah. Again, "firing fewer rockets during our genocide" isn't the objective given by Netanyahu 3. Your problem now is that your neighbours and the majority of the world (and those not being strong armed by your american sugar daddies) are ostracising Israel which will not live down the genocide in its remaining years 4. Nah, you've mostly killed women and children. Hamas are all underground in "terror tunnels" remember? IDF have been too cowardly to fight face to face and have been bombing civilians not the tunnels. You need to make your mind up. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 19 minutes ago, anonguest said: You mean just like how, in the latter part of the war, we controlled everything moving in and out of Germany and Japan. Yes. Well, in this universe your logic doesn't count for diddly squat. No - not like that at all. "We" didn't even control East Germany. Crack open a book sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Justice League Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, Maghull Mike said: Lol the US are so controlled by Jews. It's hilarious to watch this play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Made You Sad Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, Maghull Mike said: "Ceasefire agreement"? But but but....our resident Ziogenius has told us that "Hamas will be eliminated" and the "only" options are to "surrender or die". Who are they planning to agree a ceasefire with? LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 1. Oh the military objective has changed to "a few of the hostages will be freed"? Don't remember Netanyahu saying that Nope. Please show me a report where Netanyahu explicitly said the goal was to release only a few hostages. 2 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 2. Security isn't restored according to the IDF - that's the justification they are using to go into Rafah. Again, "firing fewer rockets during our genocide" isn't the objective given by Netanyahu Security is being restored. It is better now than it was last month and the month before that... 2 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 3. Your problem now is that your neighbours and the majority of the world (and those not being strong armed by your american sugar daddies) are ostracising Israel which will not live down the genocide in its remaining years As I said, Israel has been ostracised for decades by morons like you. Don't tell me you only started to ostracise Israel after October 7th. 2 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: 4. Nah, you've mostly killed women and children. As has been the case in all modern wars And, ultimately, the blame lies with Hamas. Starting a war has consequences. 2 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: Hamas are all underground in "terror tunnels" remember? IDF have been too cowardly to fight face to face and have been bombing civilians not the tunnels. You need to make your mind up. LOL The IDF have lost more than 200 soldiers in direct fighting ground operations. Hardly cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, Vlad Made You Sad said: No - not like that at all. "We" didn't even control East Germany. Crack open a book sometime. The Russians did - who, at the the time, were operating with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: Lol the US are so controlled by Jews. Goebbels, who believed his own bullsh*t, made the same mistake. He famously dismissed the threat/risk to Germany from the Unites State's entry into the war - because he considered it to be a 'Jewified' nation (and thus weak, stupid, etc.) Some people even think Jews control the weather! 17 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: It's hilarious to watch this play out. It is indeed hilarious. Watching all the HAMAS supporting 'Free Palestine' flag shaggers get ever more hysterical and shrill and demented as the inevitable destruction of Hamas unfolds. Edited April 29 by anonguest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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