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The Price Of Paranoia

"Living standards have fallen by half, currency has lost 350% of its value and inflation is 43%"

Good article here on the suicidal economic policies of the Rada.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/why-ukraine-needs-russia-more-than-ever

Agreed. Ukraine should joined the West in 1990s. Staying with the kleptocratic mafia system like their Eastern neighbours is suicidal ...

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Putin the Fascist destroying the remains of Russian economy. The crony Mafia style government is not really great for the economy at all ...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/millions-more-russians-living-in-poverty-as-economic-crisis-bites

Millions more Russians living in poverty as economic crisis bites

Nearly 20 million now surviving on wages which are below the poverty threshold according to latest state statistics

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GDP decline in Ukraine accelerates to 9.9% in 2015

Ukraine's national budget in 2015 was originally based the best case scenario, which foresaw a 5.5% decline in real GDP amid a 26.7% decline in inflation. However, real inflation was 43.3% amid an approximate 10% decline in GDP, according to the economy ministry.

The central bank and the economy ministry revised down its GDP growth prediction for 2016 from 2% to 1%, after analyzing market dynamics in January and February 2016.

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GDP decline in Ukraine accelerates to 9.9% in 2015

Ukraine's national budget in 2015 was originally based the best case scenario, which foresaw a 5.5% decline in real GDP amid a 26.7% decline in inflation. However, real inflation was 43.3% amid an approximate 10% decline in GDP, according to the economy ministry.

The central bank and the economy ministry revised down its GDP growth prediction for 2016 from 2% to 1%, after analyzing market dynamics in January and February 2016.

I feel sorry for Ukrainians. They really suffer the most under Soviets and Putin. They deserve to live like the rest of Eastern Europe!

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No more Soviets and not any more Putin. Now there have democracy.

Indeed and it will take them about 30 years / one generation. The Eastern Europe is still struggling with the corruption and it started from 1990s ... Terrible legacy of Soviet oppression ...

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Eradicate corruption in Ukraine is mission impossible.

They made the first step with democratic elections with the strongest party having only 25% in the parliament. Now the will need at least 1 generation to clean up all the Soviet heritage.

On the other side Putin the Fascist and his 10 crony friends get always 99% therefore the Russian economy is tanking like there is no tomorrow ...

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Groysman as Ukraine's prime minister would sink reform drive, further erode public support

Groysman, as the president's man, would do little to advance the cause of structural reforms -- or give Ukraine what it needs most: a professional and technocratic government that roots out corruption, installs rule of law, privatizes, deregulates, de-oligarchizes and, in general, puts the public interest above the corrupted vested interests.

But such is the unfortunate state of political life today in Ukraine.

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Groysman as Ukraine's prime minister would sink reform drive, further erode public support

Groysman, as the president's man, would do little to advance the cause of structural reforms -- or give Ukraine what it needs most: a professional and technocratic government that roots out corruption, installs rule of law, privatizes, deregulates, de-oligarchizes and, in general, puts the public interest above the corrupted vested interests.

But such is the unfortunate state of political life today in Ukraine.

What a shock for Putin's Fascists. Public support dictates who is going to be elected ...

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Russia accuses Ukraine of ignoring peace deal

Opening a day of intense international diplomacy, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Wednesday accused Ukrainian's government of dragging its feet on implementing last year's cease-fire agreement. Lavrov, who was hosting German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier in Moscow, told reporters that Kiev's inaction is the main stumbling block to a peace settlement in the east. Lavrov said Germany had floated the idea of holding an election in the rebel-occupied territories this summer but Kiev said no.

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Kiev concentrated up to 50 battalions and more than 1,000 pieces of military equipment in buffer zone

https://dninews.com/article/kiev-concentrated-50-battalions-and-more-1000-pieces-military-equipment-buffer-zone

Interesting that Putin's Fascists accuse Ukrainians to be Nazis ??? Ukraine is not a failed dictatorship like Putinistan and Ukraine has not invaded anybody on the pretext of being a master race ...

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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ukraine+nazi&biw=1024&bih=653&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF9uKDhePLAhVMvxQKHVUFD4gQ_AUICCgC#tbm=isch&q=russian+nazi

BTW Ukraine parliament has less right wing parties there than France ...

But it is not about Russian neoNazis. It is about Putin the Fascist, dictator and election fraud, who claims to invade other countries as West is decadent and must be destroyed ...

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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ukraine+nazi&biw=1024&bih=653&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF9uKDhePLAhVMvxQKHVUFD4gQ_AUICCgC#tbm=isch&q=russian+nazi

BTW Ukraine parliament has less right wing parties there than France ...

But it is not about Russian neoNazis. It is about Putin the Fascist, dictator and election fraud, who claims to invade other countries as West is decadent and must be destroyed ...

Its about you saying that statements accusing Ukraine of having fascists in positions of power is untrue.

You just spew cr@p on all threads containing anything to do with Russia on hpc.

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Its about you saying that statements accusing Ukraine of having fascists in positions of power is untrue.

You just spew cr@p on all threads containing anything to do with Russia on hpc.

Only crap on the HPC is your Putin Fascist propaganda with Ukraine Nazis, Syrian Sunni terrorists and justification of ethnic cleansing of all none Russians ..

Your mother should be ashamed of you ...

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Poroshenko Administration at Helm of Rampant Ukrainian Corruption

The level of corruption in Ukraine has reached levels never before seen and directly includes current President Petro Poroshenko's administration, according to a report compiled by a group of British experts

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160330/1037183141/ukraine-economy-politics-corruption.html

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Poroshenko faction slams committee’s decision to break diplomatic relations with Russia

On March 30, the Verkhovna Rada Foreign Affairs Committee decided to support the resolution on terminating diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation. According to the Ukrainian legislation, the committee’s decisions are advisory and non-binding. Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin earlier spoke out against this move. According to him, the severance of diplomatic relations with Russia will lead to the collapse of the existing negotiation format and jeopardize the Minsk agreements.

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Ukraine’s leader set up secret offshore firm as battle raged with Russia

Petro Poroshenko registered company when his troops were being wiped out in eastern Ukraine, Panama Papers show. Ukraine’s president, set up a secret offshore company in the British Virgin Islands at a time when his troops were being wiped out in a bloody battle with Russian troops and pro-Moscow rebels. The registration coincided with one of the most notorious fights in the war in Ukraine, between the Ukrainian army and Kremlin-supplied insurgents. On 20 August 2014, government troops found themselves surrounded in the eastern city of Ilovaisk.

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I have spent a few weeks in Ukraine, in a small village near Sumy.

Life is not easy and the economic situation just gets worse. The corollary of poverty is rising crime of course, and Valentina and Volody would not let me go anywhere alone, not even during the day. They now have a dog, whose job it is to bark, and Valentina has a panic buzzer connected to the police station.

Four generations of Valentina's family have lived here. Post coup, things have never been so bad.

Basically, they get by, growing almost everything they eat and bottling and preserving stuff for the winter. People do this anyway in rural areas, but it's a lot of work in addition to trying to earn money. They have two enormous fridge freezers and it's hard to find a branded or supermarket product in either. 'Home made' is the keyword . . . cheese. milk, wine, everything. What you don't grow, you bata with neighbours.

I talk to some people and I am careful about what I say. It's an area that believes Putin is Satan. But what was interesting is that they feel very let down by the EU. Most were convinced that, post coup, Ukraine would be like Poland. And the EU was very dishonest with Ukraine, I can only agree.

When I arrived, Juncker had just told the Dutch that Ukraine would not join the EU for 20 years. I asked people how they felt about this. The first reaction was incredulous. 'Where did you read this? It's not true, it's Russian propaganda!' But now they see that Euro Maidan was a set up, all that blue and gold flagwaving was staged, and are understandably rather bitter.

There's an article about this in EU Observer.

https://euobserver.com/opinion/132899

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Ukraine’s leader set up secret offshore firm as battle raged with Russia

Petro Poroshenko registered company when his troops were being wiped out in eastern Ukraine, Panama Papers show. Ukraine’s president, set up a secret offshore company in the British Virgin Islands at a time when his troops were being wiped out in a bloody battle with Russian troops and pro-Moscow rebels. The registration coincided with one of the most notorious fights in the war in Ukraine, between the Ukrainian army and Kremlin-supplied insurgents. On 20 August 2014, government troops found themselves surrounded in the eastern city of Ilovaisk.

It's on another thread in the main forum of course.

The revelation is not helpful to Poroshenko, whose popularity is even lower than the ousted Yanukovich. And Nuland's guy Yatsenyuk is universally hated.

People I talked to would favour a Tymoshenko comeback.

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An excellent analysis by the Saker of the Ukrainian situation, the impact on the EU/Russia/security etc etc.

To sum up - it's not good for anyone. And Ukraine, in particular, will die a slow death.

Russia, however, is ready for anything.

The EU’s “suicide by reality denial - http://thesaker.is/the-eus-suicide-by-reality-denial/

What the EU has done is essentially a form of “suicide by reality denial”. What follows next will have to be regime change, not for one country, but for the entire continent. I think that such regime change is inevitable, but the big question is how long this slow and painful EU agony will last. Alas, this could take many years, I think. EU leaders will not elegantly apologize and resign, there is an entire class of parasites which now lives from the EU structure which will desperately resist any meaningful reforms, nevermind regime change, and which will always put their narrow comprador class interests above their people or even common sense.

As for the people of the EU, they will find out that they don’t have the means to impose political change by the ballot, that they live in a pretend-democracy, and that everything they have been told and promised is just an empty, ugly, lie. The Ukraine did not become Europe, but Europe became the Ukraine.

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