Gone baby gone Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If memory serves me correctly, Cardiff University carried out a study around 6 years ago that led to the finding that about 60 to 70 percent of the 'news' in the papers originates from either corporate or government PR sources. It is probably higher than that now. When you combine this with the need to attract advertising revenue, government D-Notices, and the political agenda of the media owners, you're going to get very little fact, and generally half-truths. Yeah I read the book "Flat Earth News" as well. Are there any facts to back up the idea that he's running to the hills with his stash of beans and rifles, ready for the long decent into oblivion? Keeping an open mind means just that, not assuming a contrarian position on every item of reported news. Which is why I quickly looked around for more reporting of the story reported by the OP (which was word-for-word copied from a conpiraloon site - prisonplanet). But as ever, DYOR and believe what you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_w_ Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Ah, top-notch conspria-loon thinking there, I like it. Despite the fact that Google has 246 new articles covering this, so it's not just the Daily Mail, it's more reputable sources like Reuters: http://www.reuters.c...E81101820120202 Or do you only believe the news you read online, or in print, that reinforces your own beliefs and prejudices? There is no evidence Cameron is moving to NZ as he fears the collapse of civilisation. There is however some evidence he has done it to be closer to a film studio and to remove his family from the corrosive effects of Hollywood. Regardless of its subject, validity or supporting arguments the well bred gentleman's reaction to any non MSM propagated theory must be as follows: First, attempt to censor the discussion by labelling the idea as a conspiracy theory (old tricks are the best tricks): And then, close your eyes: Edited February 2, 2012 by _w_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Given the time required to make the two Avatar sequels, moving to NZ and taking his family with him makes sense. However, $16.6M for 2,470 acres seems a bit excessive for the time it takes to make 2 sequels. Why not a house in/near Wellington, close to schools for the younger children and to WETA. Unless he wants privacy (surely not that much of a problem in NZ?) He'll probably rent/buy a flat nearer the studio and simply commute between the flat and home every few days. He get's to diversify his property portfolio, his family get a better quality of life, and he is close to his work. Job done. Is he lying when he says he “intends to reside indefinitely" in NZ? Indefinite just means not defined, it doesn't mean he intends to live there forever. At this stage, the length of time required to make his new movie is probably indefinite as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto deVeer Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yeah I read the book "Flat Earth News" as well. Are there any facts to back up the idea that he's running to the hills with his stash of beans and rifles, ready for the long decent into oblivion? Keeping an open mind means just that, not assuming a contrarian position on every item of reported news. Which is why I quickly looked around for more reporting of the story reported by the OP (which was word-for-word copied from a conpiraloon site - prisonplanet). But as ever, DYOR and believe what you wish. The report was released originally on an AP website, I believe, but when I saw that he is a Canadian, there didn't seem to be much purpose behind the claim that he is fleeing America. So I think that he's just doing this for personal reasons, but the way things are shaping up over there in the USA, I would say his move is also prudent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Regardless of its subject, validity or supporting arguments the well bred gentleman's reaction to any non MSM propagated theory must be as follows: See post #27 above, sometimes the herd are right Most of the conspiracy theorists I come across are very ordinary people. Everyone likes to feel special - being "in on a secret" makes you feel like that. You're no longer part of the herd, you are in the know. Except, 95% of the time you are just falling prey to some other commercial interest. Conspiracy porn sells - Alex Jones doesn't fly economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 If Mike "Smitty" Smith could afford to run one.... as long as Cameron is careful about his backers I'm sure he'll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 See post #27 above, sometimes the herd are right Most of the conspiracy theorists I come across are very ordinary people. Everyone likes to feel special - being "in on a secret" makes you feel like that. You're no longer part of the herd, you are in the know. Except, 95% of the time you are just falling prey to some other commercial interest. Conspiracy porn sells - Alex Jones doesn't fly economy To put it another way; most of the time, all there is between the lines is empty space - space for you to insert links to your own pet theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sounds a no brainer - rather than rent the land to film Avartar 2 on he buys it. He then rents his own land out to the film production no doubt enjoying some nice tax advantages. Furthermore, once the film is completeled it may have additional value as a tourist attraction. Seems a shrewd business move - nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Sounds a no brainer - rather than rent the land to film Avartar 2 on he buys it. He then rents his own land out to the film production no doubt enjoying some nice tax advantages. Furthermore, once the film is completeled it may have additional value as a tourist attraction. Seems a shrewd business move - nothing more. Welcome to Hobbiton TBH I'm surprised the set was not sold on as a housing development. Given that your average Hobbit dwelling is drier, warmer and less draughty than a typical Kiwi house Edited February 2, 2012 by Charlton Peston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Welcome to Hobbiton TBH I'm surprised the set was not sold on as a housing development. Given that your average Hobbit dwelling is drier, warmer and less draughty than a typical Kiwi house He owns the production company that will make Avartar 2 so he could, in theory, buy the land for X per acre and then charge it out to his own companyat a much higher fee. You wouldn't believe most of the costs that are tagged on to a film budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwatkins Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This thread is too funny. Having lived a long time in the US I can assure everybody that there are places in West Virginia where the folks still don't know there was a civil war. They have no SS numbers and the Feds have no clue who they are. If Cameron wants to lose himself when the big bunfight breaks out he doesn't even have to catch a plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) This thread is too funny. Having lived a long time in the US I can assure everybody that there are places in West Virginia where the folks still don't know there was a civil war. They have no SS numbers and the Feds have no clue who they are. If Cameron wants to lose himself when the big bunfight breaks out he doesn't even have to catch a plane. Presumably the Shadowy Overlords plan to sit out Collapsageddon living somewhere with a few decent restaurants and other trappings of civilisation. Compared to West Virginia even NZ wins in that regard Plus, you'll have the advantage of living on an easily quarantined island in the Southern Hemisphere when all the killer viruses and radioactive isotopes are unleashed. It's the budget option for any Shadowy Overlord who can't afford his own space station Edited February 2, 2012 by Charlton Peston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Filming "collapse of civilisation 3D - golden dream edition" The TinFoilinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto deVeer Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 This thread is too funny. Having lived a long time in the US I can assure everybody that there are places in West Virginia where the folks still don't know there was a civil war. They have no SS numbers and the Feds have no clue who they are. If Cameron wants to lose himself when the big bunfight breaks out he doesn't even have to catch a plane. They probably spend their days playing banjo on the porch and squealing like pigs. No thanks, I'd rather escape to NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Presumably the Shadowy Overlords plan to sit out Collapsageddon living somewhere with a few decent restaurants and other trappings of civilisation. Compared to West Virginia even NZ wins in that regard Plus, you'll have the advantage of living on an easily quarantined island in the Southern Hemisphere when all the killer viruses and radioactive isotopes are unleashed. It's the budget option for any Shadowy Overlord who can't afford his own space station shadowy overlords sitting in space stations are sitting ducks,unless they also have space stations with missile defence systems. ....and even then.... there may be a few hi tech military types who throw a couple of decoys at them...ones with warheads that are MEANT to be blown up en route,because the blast will propel the stations out of orbit and into the void.(I've often thought that a one way ticket to alpha-centauri would be quite a fitting punishment for our politicians...they might even come up against "alien"...that would be rather cool) Edited February 2, 2012 by oracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) They probably spend their days playing banjo on the porch and squealing like pigs. No thanks, I'd rather escape to NZ. Best avoid the West Coast of South Island then shadowy overlords sitting in space stations are sitting ducks,unless they also have space stations with missile defence systems. ....and even then.... The space stations are just decoys for the underground bases Edited February 2, 2012 by Charlton Peston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 The main reason for Cameron going to NZ is obvious - ever heard of Weta Digital? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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