And A Postscript To The Totalitarian State

[Elizabeth]

Well I would have thought, given her extreme right wing views, oft published, that Barbara Amiel fit right into this crowd. But if we are claiming an element of genetics, how do we explain Rupert Murdoch? Willing troll and lackey I suppose ...

Its not an 'extreme right wing' group at all. It is a pragmatic self interest group to maintain power. A Lizard race! Truly very different. I often wonder what people mean by 'extreme right' and 'extreme left' these days. There doesn't seem much consistency about what people label. In terms fo genetics, Rupert Murdoch is actually very old money in Australia. Something that tends to be missed since we are so far away. His daddy, his grandaddy, all ran "The Australian" newspaper and a raft of others. Sure, our guy Spiros got his finger burned when he tried to collapse the Ozzie $, but that was just a cockup when the new consultant class in the 1980s in Maquarie Bank didn't get the idea that they were puppets.

[Guest adp]

Well I guess my point is that nobody would dispute that money elites know each other, back politicians (of all sides), and lobby for their own interests (not surprisingly through meetings). I would even go further and say that all politicians are constrained in a global economy that is defacto ruled by multi-national conglomerate corporate interests. It is impossible to be sovereign when, if you adjust your policies unfavorably, money and jobs are electronically zapped. But I draw the line at a deliberate long-standing plan beyond self-interest and reactive self-preservation. These people are just the ultimate lobby group. They are not coordinated enough for these kind of conspiracy theories because they ultimately turn on each other when threatened.

[wonderpup]

Lizards was a bad choice anyway- they invariably look slow and dumb- it's hard to imagine a race of smart lizards in the first place. I would have gone for ants- quick, hard to pin down and possibly intelligent in large groups. And has anyone noticed how all the supposed 'ant killers' on the market never work? They always come back.

[Injin]

Why does Icke insist on this lizard stuff? It baffles me. He ruins his own valid research by throwing lizards into the mix. Why?

He's managed to tell the truth without walking up Ben Nevis, hasn't he?

It's not as daft as it looks.

[Guest Mr Parry]

He's managed to tell the truth without walking up Ben Nevis, hasn't he?

It's not as daft as it looks.

Snowdonia National Park is their favourite disposal site.

Normal 'walks' do not involve Ben Nevis.

[The Spaniard]

I would have gone for ants- quick, hard to pin down and possibly intelligent in large groups. And has anyone noticed how all the supposed 'ant killers' on the market never work? They always come back.

Arnie ants?

[Guest KingCharles1st]

Why does Icke insist on this lizard stuff? It baffles me. He ruins his own valid research by throwing lizards into the mix. Why?

LIZARDIST!!

[Elizabeth]

Well I guess my point is that nobody would dispute that money elites know each other, back politicians (of all sides), and lobby for their own interests (not surprisingly through meetings). I would even go further and say that all politicians are constrained in a global economy that is defacto ruled by multi-national conglomerate corporate interests. It is impossible to be sovereign when, if you adjust your policies unfavorably, money and jobs are electronically zapped. But I draw the line at a deliberate long-standing plan beyond self-interest and reactive self-preservation. These people are just the ultimate lobby group. They are not coordinated enough for these kind of conspiracy theories because they ultimately turn on each other when threatened.

Actually they are in it to fight against capitalism as an organic force. Lever and Kitchen own every major brand of washing powder and advertising is simply an 'competition' front to a monopoply. But that is old news. This group does not want to see the fragmentation of their interests. Take Packer and Murdoch in Australia. So called enemies, run the major rival national dailies as well as the nationwide radio networks and the television conglomerates, and yet their sons are now doing deals together. Call themselves old friends in fact. That wouldn't make sense unless behind the rivalry and 'competition' there was in fact a collusion to maintain control of media outlets and an agreed sharing of the turf.

[huw]

Icke is paid a salary by a powerful player in global politics to travel the world and give talks, write books etc. This has been the case since the mid 1990s.

The genius was to hook in enough people by giving them serious alternatives to the mainstream media and then as your popularity takes off, mix it with nonsense about lizards.

Thus, in one fell swoop you can (deliberately) debunk everything you've talked about and exposed and permanently associate it (in the public mind) with something that instantly detracts credibility - i.e. lizard men and shapeshifters.

So the lizards came after he'd acquired a following?

Even if that's the case, Wikipedia tells us that he'd already made his decisive turd-in-the-punchbowl move by the mid 1990s:

In his online autobiography, Icke writes that, in March 1990, while he was a national spokesperson for the Green Party, he received a message from the spirit world through a medium,[12] identified by The Guardian as Betty Shine, a medium from Brighton.[13] She told him he was a healer who had been chosen for his courage and sent to heal the earth, and that he had been directed into football to learn discipline. He was going to leave politics and would become famous, she said, writing five books in three years, and one day there would be a great earthquake, and the "sea will reclaim land," because human beings were abusing the earth.

When Icke told the Green Party leadership what he had experienced, he was banned from speaking at public meetings on their behalf.[14] In 1991, after a trip to Peru, he wrote Truth Vibrations, an autobiographical work which summarised his life experiences up to that point, with an emphasis on his recent spiritual encounters. He began to wear only turquoise and on 27 March 1991, held a press conference to announce: "I am a channel for the Christ spirit. The title was given to me very recently by the Godhead."[15]

In an interview on the Terry Wogan show that year, he announced that he was "the son of God,"[12] and that Britain would be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. His statements were met with laughter and ridicule from the studio audience, derision in the press, and suggestions that he was mentally ill. Icke later said that he had been misinterpreted by the media. According to Icke, he used the term "the son of God" "… in the sense of being an aspect, as I understood it at the time, of the Infinite consciousness that is everything. As I have written before, we are like droplets of water in an ocean of infinite consciousness."[16]

[Guest mattsta1964]

Actually they are in it to fight against capitalism as an organic force. Lever and Kitchen own every major brand of washing powder and advertising is simply an 'competition' front to a monopoply. But that is old news. This group does not want to see the fragmentation of their interests. Take Packer and Murdoch in Australia. So called enemies, run the major rival national dailies as well as the nationwide radio networks and the television conglomerates, and yet their sons are now doing deals together. Call themselves old friends in fact. That wouldn't make sense unless behind the rivalry and 'competition' there was in fact a collusion to maintain control of media outlets and an agreed sharing of the turf.

Much like Obummer hiring Republicans to his government and even hiring Hitlery Clinton

All soooooo bloody predictable. 'Change' Obummer meant exactly what I always expected, no change whatsoever.

And he isn't even in the Whitehouse yet

Already, his foreign policy is distinctly hawkish.

Yep! More of the same

People just never learn do they?

[Guest happy?]

Much like Obummer hiring Republicans to his government and even hiring Hitlery Clinton

All soooooo bloody predictable. 'Change' Obummer meant exactly what I always expected, no change whatsoever.

And he isn't even in the Whitehouse yet

Already, his foreign policy is distinctly hawkish.

Yep! More of the same

People just never learn do they?

Apparently not. Do you think intentionally mis-spelling people's names is a symptom or a cause of this failure to learn?

[Guest mattsta1964]

Apparently not. Do you think intentionally mis-spelling people's names is a symptom or a cause of this failure to learn?

They just don't deserve to be treated seriously or with any credibility. None of these people give a toss about us.

As the late, great comedian George Carlin said "They have their own exclusive club and you and I ain't in it!"

[Guest barebear]

Lizards was a bad choice anyway- they invariably look slow and dumb- it's hard to imagine a race of smart lizards in the first place. I would have gone for ants- quick, hard to pin down and possibly intelligent in large groups. And has anyone noticed how all the supposed 'ant killers' on the market never work? They always come back.

I would have gone for border collies, now that would have been believable,highly intelligent,manipulative and like everything to be under control and in its right place.They are also cute looking.

[Elizabeth]

I would have gone for border collies, now that would have been believable,highly intelligent,manipulative and like everything to be under control and in its right place.They are also cute looking.

Why do you want your villans to be cute? Actually I think that reptiles works very well as a metaphor - its a deep metaphor, held in a place of total requirement to imagine. No matter how convincingly Icke demand that he is speaking of a concrete reality of DNA, it actually works in terms of the mentality of these people. They are different, they are cold blooded. I think that there is a layer of management that is the Sentinal Lizard class. Unknowing of their Lizard status (possibly), and low born, but who carry out the work of keeping the quizzlings from owning their creativity and intelligence, and from valuing and loving themselves. And completely and utterly intent as David Icke says on people paying for 3 houses if they want to own one.

[ken_ichikawa]

Lizards was a bad choice anyway- they invariably look slow and dumb- it's hard to imagine a race of smart lizards in the first place. I would have gone for ants- quick, hard to pin down and possibly intelligent in large groups. And has anyone noticed how all the supposed 'ant killers' on the market never work? They always come back.

Well if it worked people wouldn't buy more of it would they? , ....

If you have an ant problem nothing kills them better than a very large pan of boiling water....

If you have a steam cleaner even better , find the nest or whatever people call an ant colony , or they they have built a colony under your flags or in your cavity wall (thats very very bad since you have to hoover out ALL the cavity wall insultation to get rid of the eggs)...

Then pour and watch them pop , I have an ant colony that comes back every year under my flag stones, I sizzle them every March the eggs go pop pop pop , and the workers fall to bits....

To get rid of them permantly you just need to compact the soil to fill in the channels the wander around in..

[Guest X-QUORK]

Icke is a raving fruitcake and anyone who thinks otherwise is either the same or a bad judge of character.

David Icke- Humans transform to Reptiles

[uptherebels]

If you have an ant problem nothing kills them better than a very large pan of boiling water....

If you have a steam cleaner even better , find the nest or whatever people call an ant colony , or they they have built a colony under your flags or in your cavity wall (thats very very bad since you have to hoover out ALL the cavity wall insultation to get rid of the eggs)...

Then pour and watch them pop , I have an ant colony that comes back every year under my flag stones, I sizzle them every March the eggs go pop pop pop , and the workers fall to bits....

..............and why exactly, would you feel the need to do this?

[tegan]

Icke is right about the lizard thing because I saw this documentary a few years back called 'V' and they basically do run the world disguised as humans. Frightening stuff.

[ken_ichikawa]

..............and why exactly, would you feel the need to do this?

me I don't care, but when you wake up and the floor appears to be moving one morning in Spring , other people care, like gfs, house mates etc...

[oracle]

Basically Icke says that the world is run by a Lizard race. The royal family are all Lizard (Phillip you can almost seeing it come through) as are the whole range of western leaders. Basically anyone who gets to be a president or a prime minister of england or etc. tends to be invited to something call the Bilderberg meeting which is basically a meeting of 130 of the most influential people in the world about 8 months to a year before they win the election. This video was made in 1996. I checked out Obama and he and Hilary went to this years meeting. Basically you don't get through that you don't get to govern. Flattery of the powerful. Power to the people eh?

In biblical terms he's referring to the nephelim-type bloodlines.(and it's true that some were given supernatural abilities to keep governance)

Many of our western european ruling elites believe themselves to be the original children of isreal..

Britain is very significant,as are scotland and ireland,because that is where quite a lot of the remnant of judah resettled.

..hence why we have the "throne of david" here in the UK....it's on our heraldry

The royal family claim ancestry to the tribe of judah...but this is where things get interesting.

If you are a genuine celt...of scottish or irish ancestry,then in certain clans you are more likely to be of better royal lineage than our present inhabitants of buckingham palace.

[oracle]

Icke is right about the lizard thing because I saw this documentary a few years back called 'V' and they basically do run the world disguised as humans. Frightening stuff.

I saw that film "men in black"

...where tommy lee jones said that the real news is in the sunday sport!!!

Given the state of today's mind-numbing media celebrity worshipping cult,I actually think he was right.

Edited November 30, 2008 by oracle

[Guest mattsta1964]

I saw that film "men in black"

...where tommy lee jones said that the real news is in the sunday sport!!!

Given the state of today's mind-numbing media celebrity worshipping cult,I actually think he was right.

The FKN News is even better

[Pindar]

So the lizards came after he'd acquired a following?

Even if that's the case, Wikipedia tells us that he'd already made his decisive turd-in-the-punchbowl move by the mid 1990s:

That's true, depending on your spiritual outlook and experience. For me, the fact that his early books "Truth Vibrations" and "Love Changes Everything" were published by a company called "Aquarian Press" (an imprint of Murdoch's News International) suggests that editorially he was restricted in what he could write.

Later came self-published books in which his writing style chaged from one of airy-fairy new age fluffiness to what one could describe as, on face value, credible pieces of information mixed with naming of names and a much more political, accusatory style. I remember a woman (part of his entourage) at one of his early meetings saying something to the effect that "this is dynamite". The gathering at Southmead Sports Centre in Bristol had at most, 40 people in late 1994.

The last of the "sensible" books was published around 1996/97, from which point on he became increasingly led astray by talk of reptillians and other such nonsense. I always had a nagging suspicion that the whole operation where he became a self-styled, world renowned guru, was planned and managed from unseen places. Not least because of two people I met who had done some of his early videos and promotional material. They described him as a shrewd business man and one of them told me that he asked them: "can you knock off the VAT if we do this for cash". Both of these men went from rags to riches overnight and for no apparent reason.

Conspiratainment is big business. There's no harm in it if it makes people feel better, though the motives are still questionable. Applying one of Icke's own rules: "ask yourself who benefits from you believing this information".

[Austin Allegro]

I heard Mr Icke speak in the early nineties. He said he wasn't a Christian because he doubted the authorship of the Bible, but then went on to talk about 'channellings', lizard people, purple shell suits, messages from aliens etc. I have a lot of patience for alternative views on life, but I suspect if he had not been a celebrity, he would have been talking about this stuff to himself on buses.

[oracle]

That's true, depending on your spiritual outlook and experience. For me, the fact that his early books "Truth Vibrations" and "Love Changes Everything" were published by a company called "Aquarian Press" (an imprint of Murdoch's News International) suggests that editorially he was restricted in what he could write.

Later came self-published books in which his writing style chaged from one of airy-fairy new age fluffiness to what one could describe as, on face value, credible pieces of information mixed with naming of names and a much more political, accusatory style. I remember a woman (part of his entourage) at one of his early meetings saying something to the effect that "this is dynamite". The gathering at Southmead Sports Centre in Bristol had at most, 40 people in late 1994.

The last of the "sensible" books was published around 1996/97, from which point on he became increasingly led astray by talk of reptillians and other such nonsense. I always had a nagging suspicion that the whole operation where he became a self-styled, world renowned guru, was planned and managed from unseen places. Not least because of two people I met who had done some of his early videos and promotional material. They described him as a shrewd business man and one of them told me that he asked them: "can you knock off the VAT if we do this for cash". Both of these men went from rags to riches overnight and for no apparent reason.

Conspiratainment is big business. There's no harm in it if it makes people feel better, though the motives are still questionable. Applying one of Icke's own rules: "ask yourself who benefits from you believing this information".

I think there probably is an element of truth to this.

However there are certainly VERY christian aspects to his work..it might not be what the organised priesthood have told you...but it's there nonetheless

The bible is a kabbalistic book.

You look at the supposedly occult nostadamus prophecies,and those in the book of Daniel...and there are certain phrases and terminoligies that are absolutely identical

so was Daniel,one of the most revered prophets of the old testament into the occult??

...standard interpretations of scripture plainly point to YES(if you regard the kabballah as occult).

Icke is right with regard to this whole journey being to discover the "self",and what your true nature really is.

..but there are still a few basic house rules to follow in your physical existence down here...and we are being assaulted with every possible instrument to keep us focussed on the base-level stuff,rather than what we need to spiritually ascend.