Teachers' Leader Attacks 'greedy' Parents

[Cinnamon]

I never watched a good example of marriage whilst growing up and I'm happily married. I know loads of people in the same situation and plenty of people who are perfectly contrary examples (i.e. superbly well balanced upbringing but can't hold a relationship down). It's like people who grow up abused in some way. Some go on to repeat it, some do everything in their power to avoid repeating it. It's a hugely complex topic that can't be nailed down in a few 'that'll do it' soundbites.

I don't disagree that good examples may be important, just that they may not be the be all and end all of a succesful life.

So, after all this hand waving, you concede that I may have a point, but of course, not quite so because there are some examples to the contrary. *groan*

Of course bringing up your kids in a way that socialises them properly and teaches them all the human skills doesn't guarantee that they'll win the game of life when they start to play in earnest, but it makes it a *lot* more likely.

Just like learning to read and write properly before the age of 7 makes it easier to be academically successful -- you can of course do it if you learn this later on, but it'll be a lot harder because time and nature won't be on your side anymore.

Single parents of course bring up children to adulthood, but the 'curriculum' they can offer is limited in time and scope, and in the end, this stunts children into being emotional cripples when compared to peers who had a proper family with two parents who both still have knowledge of the family culture and passed that on, by way of an 18 year 'course'.

[Tiger Woods?]

This is bo110ck5.

You just need to reign back your spending. If half the money is coming in, then it is a serious curtailment of your evenings out, lattes, new clothes, foreign holidays etc. But you can do it. Trouble is too many people in the UK have a perceived acceptable standard of living, to be below of which is considered unacceptable. You have to realise that the perceived 'normal' standard of living is not normal at all, because it required debt-financing to realise...it was never sustainable.

Mend your old clothes, shop at Netto and the market, cycle to work, give up the lattes, buy second hand clothes, grow some of your own food, switch to LPG, renegotiate your utilities and telephone/internet, go camping for a holiday, always buy things on offer (a GOLDEN rule), borrow books from the public library don't buy them....etc. We have done all this so my other half could be at home to look after the kid. Why can't you?

Or could you not possibly do that? How could one possibly 'live' like that? I would suggest a course of deprogramming - get rid of the f**king sunday supplement telling you to go to Bali for a month or consider yourself a freakish loser, and re-evaluate what is important in life, and what is possible on the money you earn.

Vanity...all is vanity. Some of the people of this country are in for a mighty reality-check.

My partner and I live in Oxfordshire. She earns above the national average salary. We live in a 2.5 bedroom house. We would not be able to afford rent, water, energy, insurance and transport on her wage alone, let alone have anything left for food. In some parts of the country, one job simply isn't enough because of all the fixed costs that you have no control over, and which are often based on the assumption of 2 people working per household.

[frozen_out]

So, after all this hand waving, you concede that I may have a point, but of course, not quite so because there are some examples to the contrary. *groan*

Of course bringing up your kids in a way that socialises them properly and teaches them all the human skills doesn't guarantee that they'll win the game of life when they start to play in earnest, but it makes it a *lot* more likely.

Just like learning to read and write properly before the age of 7 makes it easier to be academically successful -- you can of course do it if you learn this later on, but it'll be a lot harder because time and nature won't be on your side anymore.

Single parents of course bring up children to adulthood, but the 'curriculum' they can offer is limited in time and scope, and in the end, this stunts children into being emotional cripples when compared to peers who had a proper family with two parents who both still have knowledge of the family culture and passed that on, by way of an 18 year 'course'.

What hand waving? I just made a point to the contrary that's all. That's what a forum is for isn't it? Or are you another who can only handle being agreed with? I never said you didn't have a point in the first place, just that you'd over-simplified, so I don't even know what you're going on about.

Anyway, where's the evidence for your arguments?

[Cinnamon]

What hand waving? I just made a point to the contrary that's all. That's what a forum is for isn't it? Or are you another who can only handle being agreed with? I never said you didn't have a point in the first place, just that you'd over-simplified, so I don't even know what you're going on about.

Meet Popochan, posting as frozen_out

Anyway, where's the evidence for your arguments?

Homo Sapiens has no innate instincts for the nesting business, everything we know about that has to be taught to us -- we also have the longest parenting period and the most complex job in educating our young. There are proven windows of opportunity in this process too, miss them, and the damage is done and the child will never be the person it could have been, given proper conditions.

We're also spending vast amounts of money on social workers and doctors to 'repair' the damaged people who missed out on socialisation at an early age and who later on are highly likely to turn into misfits and criminals, mostly blaming their chaotic home environments and upbringing for their dysfunctionality. There are very few kids from intact families needing that kind of service from the state, now what could the reason be?

Btw, what is simplistic about pointing out the bleeding obvious?

[miko]

bolloks

A child needs attention from their parents

This crap has been going on for over a decade and

in that time the social problems have easily doubled

Nu Labor has enslaved all the people for years to come

in their pursuit of greed

We as a family could have been much wealthier financially if

I had'nt given up work a decade ago to care for my children

but we would have been in reality much poorer as a family unit

We seem to know the cost of everything and the value of nowt

Life is too short and valuable to give it to politicians whims

Well said, agree totally , I have spoken to loads of women over the years who do not want to be in the work place. Most of them were not there because of greed but nessecity. As women have been lead back to full time work after having children they have been sold the independance crap. No it s not independance but has become dependance on the job, society has been fooled and the children are paying the price.

I once worked with a mum of three who was back working on twelve hour shifts days and nights . She lived close to the factory and came back to work while her baby was still being breast fed. This is the honest truth , the company allowed her to nip home to brest fed her baby. So much for independance.

[frozen_out]

Meet Popochan, posting as frozen_out

Homo Sapiens has no innate instincts for the nesting business, everything we know about that has to be taught to us -- we also have the longest parenting period and the most complex job in educating our young. There are proven windows of opportunity in this process too, miss them, and the damage is done and the child will never be the person it could have been, given proper conditions.

We're also spending vast amounts of money on social workers and doctors to 'repair' the damaged people who missed out on socialisation at an early age and who later on are highly likely to turn into misfits and criminals, mostly blaming their chaotic home environments and upbringing for their dysfunctionality. There are very few kids from intact families needing that kind of service from the state, now what could the reason be?

Btw, what is simplistic about pointing out the bleeding obvious?

Sorry, yes you're right. You've solved all of our social problems with one simple easy solution.

Go you.

Edited July 31, 2008 by frozen_out

[chichi]

We live in a fairly middle class area where it is frowned upon to even let the children walk to and from school alone.

I don't believe for a moment the parents these teachers are referring to are working parents, they are just crap parents.

And it's been happening for donkeys years.

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What age of kids would you let outside only 5m?

There have always been poor parenting problems - agreed.

Back in the late 70s my mum had to find work to help ends meet. That meant we were alone after school - something that is frowned upon these days.

[geoffk]

I know of a mother of two who really should be in the workhouse.

. She demanded the local authority buy her a new washing machine and cooker, they obliged.

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