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Oh I don't know...

I was raised in a family where I barely saw my parents, they were self employed and I saw them at weekends and on Wednesdays, I grew up alright.

I think its an overeaction TBH, children are tougher than you think and putting them in cotton wool all their lives means that they are vastly unprepared for the real world..... sort of like that excellent post a few months ago about adults being children with large bodies who are incapable of the most basic things.

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A teen getting up on their own (and going to school) isn't a problem if they've been equipped with the right basic skills.

A child getting up on their own is just plain wrong.

Having no food in the house is wrong too.

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bolloks

A child needs attention from their parents

This crap has been going on for over a decade and

in that time the social problems have easily doubled

Nu Labor has enslaved all the people for years to come

in their pursuit of greed

We as a family could have been much wealthier financially if

I had'nt given up work a decade ago to care for my children

but we would have been in reality much poorer as a family unit

We seem to know the cost of everything and the value of nowt

Life is too short and valuable to give it to politicians whims

Quite.

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I know that many of us on here have been banging on about house price inflation for years and are happy now that prices are falling and people are finally getting their come uppance - but it seems that kids have become the innocent victims of their parents obsession with house prices and buying houses.

Over the last five years, in my observation, the increasing phenomenon in families of all kinds and all classes is one of neglect of children because the only or both parents are being forced out of the home to work to pay a crippling mortgage and credit card debt. It is a troubling social phenomenon that I have been worried about and noticed more and more.

The Independent has an article today covering a speech by Philip Parkin the leader of a Teachers Union yesterday. The things he is talking about such as kids not seeing their parents before they come to school, not having had any breakfast, not having their clothes washed, teachers becoming proxy parents are all in my view a product of the 'greed' of our society around house prices that has forced many families into a situation where buying an overpriced house has destroyed family life.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educatio...nts-881399.html

"Children come into school hungry who don't actually see a parent before school every morning because they've got themselves up and come into school by themselves," Mr Parkin said.

"Children, also because of time constraints, (possibly from one-parent families) are going home in the evening and letting themselves in and are even having to look after younger siblings until their parents come home."

"If there is no functioning parent there is no food in the house, no one washes your clothes or organises socialising for you, you don't get taken to the GP, dentist or optician," he said. "You live in chaos."

As a result, teachers found pupils in their schools who were "very difficult to deal with". "We may come into contact with children from severely dysfunctional families," he said.

It is not often I find myself agreeing with the Teachers Unions but in this case I do and have seen the evidence myself and even in the most respectable middle class homes too. This is not just about single parent families.

No doubt Mr Parkin is really talking about state school kids here but I send my kids to a private day school and I know for a fact that there are young children there (under the age of 10) coming to school without breakfast, commuting by train on their own, arriving in dirty clothes and plainly without having been washed or had their hair brushed. I know for a fact that there are kids going home and letting themselves into an empty house with a key to wait for parents and I know for a fact that many of them are being left by those parents to look after younger siblings. My kids go to school with many kids who hardly ever see their parents and are very badly behaved as a result.

These are kids at school where it costs £2,500 - £4,000 per term to send them to school and their parents are so strung out financially and with so little time that they are leave their kids to bring themselves up. These are people who are firmly in the 4x4 driving, latte sipping, my house is worth £1 million, 3 holidays a year category - but they lost sight of the most important thing.

It is very very sad and we are really going to reap the wirlwind of this neglect and all because of house prices.

I feel a bit better for having got that off my chest - maybe a house price crash will make the phenomenon worse for a while and cause family breakup but in the long run it may do some real social good.

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It's not parents greed, to live you both have to work.

Although I do know of people who dump their kids in child care and are hardly ever around as they are always working and child is more of a fashion accessory.

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I can only comment on what I see in the school I work in and from working with the Home Partnership Officer and Attendance Officer and most of the pupils with the biggest issues come from workless households. Obviously there are poor parents everywhere, but I would be amazed if this teachers' leader had children who are privately schooled in mind while making these comments.

Agreed. Children from workshy parents are the ones with the greatest problems. From what I see their parents are the ones you have the most time and in some cases the most money and yet their kids have to look after themselves - some of these people don't even get up in the morning to take their children to school - and I have first hand experience of this as I have a lazy, good for nothing ex-sister-in-law. At least with parents that work the kids grow up with a good work ethic. What crap "sometimes children have to look after younger siblings"- this has gone on for years and unless there is neglect involved can't see this as a problem.

Typical teacher union claptrap.

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Oh I don't know...

I was raised in a family where I barely saw my parents, they were self employed and I saw them at weekends and on Wednesdays, I grew up alright.

I think its an overeaction TBH, children are tougher than you think and putting them in cotton wool all their lives means that they are vastly unprepared for the real world..... sort of like that excellent post a few months ago about adults being children with large bodies who are incapable of the most basic things.

bolloks

A child needs attention from their parents

This crap has been going on for over a decade and

in that time the social problems have easily doubled

Nu Labor has enslaved all the people for years to come

in their pursuit of greed

We as a family could have been much wealthier financially if

I had'nt given up work a decade ago to care for my children

but we would have been in reality much poorer as a family unit

We seem to know the cost of everything and the value of nowt

Life is too short and valuable to give it to politicians whims

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I'm surprised no one is mentioning the fact that more and more households need two working parents to make do. It is not quite a choice for most you know.

The parents you are portraying in this post usually have a nanny and other staff to take care of the kids who themselves go to public schools in Chelsea tractors. They are not the parents of the kids the teachers association are on about.

Something's amiss in this analysis.

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A teen getting up on their own (and going to school) isn't a problem if they've been equipped with the right basic skills.

A child getting up on their own is just plain wrong.

Having no food in the house is wrong too.

Agreed.

Socialisation is very important in the early years and care, attention, love and time is a must. When younger children mature and move on to 'big school' things can be relaxed a little as it is then their chance to learn to live in an adult evironment and take more responsibility for their actions.

What the current times dictate are that money/career trumps all and the stupid sheeple fall for it... this is bourne out in increases in dysfunctional, immature, selfish children/young adults.

The housing market has played a BIG part in this societal mess that now results.

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Just remove the ability to purchase houses on credit, focus more on allowing credit for truly productive behaviour.

Get rid of a layer of parasitical useless eaters.

Superb idea. Put the entire housing stock in the hands of the cash rich.

What century are we living in again?

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It should be illegal for women to work.

Oh my, brave or stupid? How about washing your dishes? Ironing your shirts? Hope you've got body armour 'cos your gonna get flack fella.

Or maybe you are a female?

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Oh my, brave or stupid? How about washing your dishes? Ironing your shirts? Hope you've got body armour 'cos your gonna get flack fella.

Or maybe you are a female?

Might be the latter. Ms D'oh would love it if she was forced to stay at home, raise babies and clean the house. Unfortunately, the cost of living in the "modern" world has removed this option from many couples. Can't quite see how 2 people having to shag themselves at work is an improvement from 1 having to.

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"Children come into school hungry who don't actually see a parent before school every morning because they've got themselves up and come into school by themselves," Mr Parkin said.

I doubt that the majority of these children are taking themselves off to private school while their parents work - more likely to be in workless households where they are the only person in the household who has to get up. I doubt that house prices are too relevant in this scenario.

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I doubt that the majority of these children are taking themselves off to private school while their parents work - more likely to be in workless households where they are the only person in the household who has to get up. I doubt that house prices are too relevant in this scenario.

hmm, not sure on this point considering the largest group living in poverty in the uk are lower income working households where a duel income is sometimes essential, eating up spare time.

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I doubt that the majority of these children are taking themselves off to private school while their parents work - more likely to be in workless households where they are the only person in the household who has to get up. I doubt that house prices are too relevant in this scenario.

Some of the worst parents are those that ship their kids off to boarding school at 5 yrs old

I do not think "class" is an issue when it comes to neglect

Wee Maddie wasn't from a poor family

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It's not parents greed, to live you both have to work.

Although I do know of people who dump their kids in child care and are hardly ever around as they are always working and child is more of a fashion accessory.

This is the price to pay for neo liberal capitalism. It sounds counter to the traditional family unit on all levels

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Some of the worst parents are those that ship their kids off to boarding school at 5 yrs old

I do not think "class" is an issue when it comes to neglect

Wee Maddie wasn't from a poor family

Yes indeed. They should wait until at least 8 imho. But if they leave it till 10 the kids in for a world of hurt.

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hmm, not sure on this point considering the largest group living in poverty in the uk are lower income working households where a duel income is sometimes essential, eating up spare time.

I can only comment on what I see in the school I work in and from working with the Home Partnership Officer and Attendance Officer and most of the pupils with the biggest issues come from workless households. Obviously there are poor parents everywhere, but I would be amazed if this teachers' leader had children who are privately schooled in mind while making these comments.

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One where, despite being kneecapped by debt before starting work, my decision not to follow herd stupidity means I'm closer to being cash rich.

Oh right. Thanks for sharing. What's your personal situation got to do with anything?

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I can only comment on what I see in the school I work in and from working with the Home Partnership Officer and Attendance Officer and most of the pupils with the biggest issues come from workless households. Obviously there are poor parents everywhere, but I would be amazed if this teachers' leader had children who are privately schooled in mind while making these comments.

Worklessness is a major problem, but that paticular greed stems from lazyness, poverty entrapment and dysfunctional parenting among many others things NOT from chasing money and social climbing.

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Worklessness is a major problem, but that paticular greed stems from lazyness, poverty entrapment and dysfunctional parenting among many others things NOT from chasing money and social climbing.

The article doesn't mention anything about chasing money or social climbing - it talks about "adults who promote greedy, selfish behaviour" which does not have to be connected with money at all.

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Throughout this forum people state time after time that houses are only worth what people are able and prepared to pay for them. When women decided that going to work and having children at the same time was their right, they increased the income going into the home, prices increased because more money was available.

This played a part in the over inflated housing market but worse of all filled our streets with ill educated feral kids whose only intention in life is to turn this country into a war zone.

If you want children then only one parent should work.

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