Next General Election

[cockrobin]

Where to begin?

Laurejon – you are a right-wing xenophobe and at least as thick as a whale omelete.

General – just because the economy was in recovery, so what? Damage was done, policy was wayward, fixing your mistakes is only half the battle.

Where to begin indeed!

'Objective Developer' you are truly ignorant of the world around you if you think any political party could be anywhere as incompitent as the Labour disaster.

Never before have I been so disgusted about paying record amounts of tax to a Governent that is so blatantly wasteful.

'Objective Developer' you make me sick, Laurejon is just an honest law abiding citizen whos sole purpose, like me and so many others is to work hard to pay for others (benefit scroungers & civil servents) to sit back and do nothing because this incompitent Government that you voted for has no idea what they are doing.

AND ALL FOREIGNERS ARE BASTAR*S!!!

?

The vast majority of foreigners I've met in my 42 years here have been much better behaved than the white underclass scum who blight every town and city in the UK. If I was gonna start deporting people, it would be the Wayne's and Waynettas at the head of the queue.

Do you mean the Wayne's and Waynettas and white underclass scum that Labour have created with an over generous, mis-managed welfare system?

Edited September 26, 2006 by cockrobin

[Ethel]

They tend to favour indirect tax rather than direct but it's still tax

They will have to attempt to balance the books somehow

The way to "balance the books" is simply to STOP wasting billions of pounds on socialism which doesn't work.

Helping the so called "needy" in this country (for needy read lazy and selfish) who don't see why they should go out and earn a living when the nanny state will feed, clothe, house them and wipe their arses to boot.

Stop wasting money on infiinite layers of civil service beauracracy, stop wasting money on an NHS which spends more on administration than it does on healing the sick, stop wasting money on PC politics which means that social workers know better than parents how to raise children, and the lunatics are running the asylum.

No expensive useless welfare state, means no tax required. It's quite simple really.

[Leodhasach]

I am in stitches reading this thread. I can't understand how people get so impassioned about it. Face it Laurejohn, there is no ideological difference between NuLabour and SquigglyTreeTory. Neither has a set of principles they believe in, and which they try to convince us of - both simply employ focus groups and polling to find out what lowest common denominator policy is likely to gain more votes than it loses. The inevitable consequence of this process is already with us - the policies of both parties vary only in tone and emphasis, not in substance.

I'm 33, employed, on average to good wages, no sprogs, don't own a house. Serious question to every enthusiastic Tory boy (or NuLab, if any of you are out there) - what substantial changes in my life would I notice after a year of a Cameron govt.?

[Ethel]

I am in stitches reading this thread. I can't understand how people get so impassioned about it. Face it Laurejohn, there is no ideological difference between NuLabour and SquigglyTreeTory. Neither has a set of principles they believe in, and which they try to convince us of - both simply employ focus groups and polling to find out what lowest common denominator policy is likely to gain more votes than it loses. The inevitable consequence of this process is already with us - the policies of both parties vary only in tone and emphasis, not in substance.

I'm 33, employed, on average to good wages, no sprogs, don't own a house. Serious question to every enthusiastic Tory boy (or NuLab, if any of you are out there) - what substantial changes in my life would I notice after a year of a Cameron govt.?

Probably none.

It will take 30 years for the Tories to clear up the stinking mess this country is in now that Tony Bliar has finished with it.

[Leodhasach]

Probably none.

It will take 30 years for the Tories to clear up the stinking mess this country is in now that Tony Bliar has finished with it.

David Cameron's approach to "cleaning up the mess" appears to involve not altering any of Labour's economic policies - and doing a highly unconvincing attempt at looking like someone who prefers to ride a bike than drive a car...

Not holding my breath

Edited September 26, 2006 by Leodhasach

[cockrobin]

David Cameron's approach to "cleaning up the mess" appears to involve not altering any of Labour's economic policies - and doing a highly unconvincing attempt at looking like someone who prefers to ride a bike than drive a car...

Not holding my breath

I'm hoping Cameron's I'm a nice guy approach is all pretend and when he gets in in the next election its gonna be a sudden u-turn to extreme right wing policies.

[oracle]

Agreed

Labour are going to implode themselves, Tories are playing this game by saying nothing and doing nothing.

Removing IHT will be a huge vote winner, and a real Conservative Policy that will remove the chains of poverty for the offspring of houseowners in the UK who worked hard for what little they have left from a decade of Socialist destruction.

labour ARE going to implode,agreed.

..BUT,and here's a big but......

who will be in the majority come the election?

1)labour dependants......i.e.benefit claimants,immigrants,economically inactive.

2)working contributors.....taxed more heavily and working for less money,more so as the EU working time directives stifle the ability to earn more in overtime.

..I suspect the "killer" group will be neither of these,but a far larger one who will be punished far more by higher council tax and utility bills,and with very little extra income to afford it from.

UKIP are actually looking like a sensible option!!!!!

[Guest Yeahbutnocrash]

The way to "balance the books" is simply to STOP wasting billions of pounds on socialism which doesn't work.

Helping the so called "needy" in this country (for needy read lazy and selfish) who don't see why they should go out and earn a living when the nanny state will feed, clothe, house them and wipe their arses to boot.

Stop wasting money on infiinite layers of civil service beauracracy, stop wasting money on an NHS which spends more on administration than it does on healing the sick, stop wasting money on PC politics which means that social workers know better than parents how to raise children, and the lunatics are running the asylum.

No expensive useless welfare state, means no tax required. It's quite simple really.

Some of those policies are real vote winners I'm sure!

[i_godzuki]

I'm starting to come round to the point of view that this site has its fair share of mentalists. When was this Tory paradise people talk about? Was it the ERM debacle? Or the mass unemployment? Was is the the disastrous railway privatisation on purely idealogical grounds? I have numerous grievances with Labour (not least Iraq, PFI, housing bubbles) but to hark back to some Tory era of milk and honey is just plain weird.

As for Laurejon, I think he needs a party a little further right than the Tories. I can imagine his ancestors bemoaning the incoming Viking, Normans, Saxons, Angles et al for not assimilating with the hardworking English peasantry.

Finally, how were the Tories a party of low taxation? They just cut incomes taxes and raised everything else. I seem to remember Labour benefiting from pointing this out ad infinitum.

[laurejon]

I'm starting to come round to the point of view that this site has its fair share of mentalists. When was this Tory paradise people talk about? Was it the ERM debacle? Or the mass unemployment? Was is the the disastrous railway privatisation on purely idealogical grounds? I have numerous grievances with Labour (not least Iraq, PFI, housing bubbles) but to hark back to some Tory era of milk and honey is just plain weird.

As for Laurejon, I think he needs a party a little further right than the Tories. I can imagine his ancestors bemoaning the incoming Viking, Normans, Saxons, Angles et al for not assimilating with the hardworking English peasantry.

Finally, how were the Tories a party of low taxation? They just cut incomes taxes and raised everything else. I seem to remember Labour benefiting from pointing this out ad infinitum.

But lets add a dose of reality here.

If we adopted your viewpoint many years ago we would all be reading Mein Kampf dying our hair blonde and habitat would have a very different line of lampshades.

Keeling over and lying on your back because those who lack both individuality, spirit, and backbone label you as someone who doesnt like change is not an option for me.

Anyone sitting at home on flexitime, eating toast at 10am watching Trish, on the public payroll had better think about making a vistit to jobserve.com cos they will be needing one when the Tories take power.

Change can be good, and it can also be bad.

The Tories will win the next election, and they will wipe Socialism off the map for a century at least.

Edited September 27, 2006 by laurejon

[Guest mattsta1964]

The conservatives have quite a few policies actually! You could find out what they are if you had a brain!

What a pathetic response. If you're going to debate on here, at least have something intelligent to say. Dickhe*d

Where to begin indeed!

'Objective Developer' you are truly ignorant of the world around you if you think any political party could be anywhere as incompitent as the Labour disaster.

Never before have I been so disgusted about paying record amounts of tax to a Governent that is so blatantly wasteful.

'Objective Developer' you make me sick, Laurejon is just an honest law abiding citizen whos sole purpose, like me and so many others is to work hard to pay for others (benefit scroungers & civil servents) to sit back and do nothing because this incompitent Government that you voted for has no idea what they are doing.

?

Do you mean the Wayne's and Waynettas and white underclass scum that Labour have created with an over generous, mis-managed welfare system?

God! You really are a prat aren't you. Much as I despise NuLabour, your pretence that the underclass was solely the creation of NuLabour just beggars belief.

I'm hoping Cameron's I'm a nice guy approach is all pretend and when he gets in in the next election its gonna be a sudden u-turn to extreme right wing policies.

Oh dear or dear oh dear! Will he ever learn?

[Rain'ard]

I'm hoping Cameron's I'm a nice guy approach is all pretend and when he gets in in the next election its gonna be a sudden u-turn to extreme right wing policies.

So you’re hoping that the new leader of the Conservative party is going to be two-faced. That’ll be a good start.

[Ethel]

So you’re hoping that the new leader of the Conservative party is going to be two-faced. That’ll be a good start.

Well after all, that's what we're used to now after almost a decade of listening to Tony Bliar.

[Rain'ard]

Well after all, that's what we're used to now after almost a decade of listening to Tony Bliar.

So you think the same as well.

[Brian Potter]

It was better than it is now thats for sure, the tories are less corrupt, less sleazy and alot more compitent. We are only just beginning to feel the effects of 10 years of Labour stupidness. I'm not saying the Tories are angels, but what I am saying is that they are the best out of a bad bunch.

Lets face it, Labour are the most incompitent Government that has ever existed and anyone who says otherwise is either blind and stupid or a bloody member!!

As a major casualty of the last tory govt, I beg to differ. I have no particular political allegiance, however, misty eyed nostagia of the tory years definately depends on your experience. The economy was decimated in the early 90's and this was only 10 years after the previous recession. Mrs T had many good ideas, not least curbing the unions idiotic power, but unfortunately the party was a disorganised, back-biting shambles by the early 90's and this was plain for those of us who were on the receiving end.

[Ethel]

As a major casualty of the last tory govt, I beg to differ. I have no particular political allegiance, however, misty eyed nostagia of the tory years definately depends on your experience. The economy was decimated in the early 90's and this was only 10 years after the previous recession. Mrs T had many good ideas, not least curbing the unions idiotic power, but unfortunately the party was a disorganised, back-biting shambles by the early 90's and this was plain for those of us who were on the receiving end.

There would be many casualties of a new tory govt, too.

All those who refuse to stand on their own two feet and pull their weight. And there are many such people in Britain today.

EDIT: Were you a civil servant by any chance?

Edited September 27, 2006 by Ethel

[i_godzuki]

But lets add a dose of reality here.

If we adopted your viewpoint many years ago we would all be reading Mein Kampf dying our hair blonde and habitat would have a very different line of lampshades.

Keeling over and lying on your back because those who lack both individuality, spirit, and backbone label you as someone who doesnt like change is not an option for me.

Anyone sitting at home on flexitime, eating toast at 10am watching Trish, on the public payroll had better think about making a vistit to jobserve.com cos they will be needing one when the Tories take power.

Change can be good, and it can also be bad.

The Tories will win the next election, and they will wipe Socialism off the map for a century at least.

Sorry, but you've completely lost me.

[whistleblower]

In my humble opinion the shadow cabinet need a massive public relations exercise for the electorate to know who they are.

How many on this site could name the shadow chancellor or shadow home secretary??

[CrashConnoisseur]

How many on this site could name the shadow chancellor or shadow home secretary??

George Osborne and David Davies.

[Ethel]

What a pathetic response. If you're going to debate on here, at least have something intelligent to say. Dickhe*d

God! You really are a prat aren't you. Much as I despise NuLabour, your pretence that the underclass was solely the creation of NuLabour just beggars belief.

Oh dear or dear oh dear! Will he ever learn?

There's no need to resort to name-calling.

How many on this site could name the shadow chancellor or shadow home secretary??

George Osborne and David Davies.

What?!

They are the only two people on this site who could name the shadow chancellor or shadow home secretary?!

[Guest mattsta1964]

There's no need to resort to name-calling.

You obviously haven't read all this thread very well.

[Brian Potter]

There would be many casualties of a new tory govt, too.

All those who refuse to stand on their own two feet and pull their weight. And there are many such people in Britain today.

EDIT: Were you a civil servant by any chance?

Nope. I was a trainee Engineer in the construction industry. The early 90's recession was the worst since the 30's for construction.

Returned to uni and finally re-established myself in 1995. Now run a small consultantcy with my wife (a civil engineer).

In the early 90's high interest rates crippled industry and coupled with a cut in public spending on infrastructure projects the construction industry literally nearly ground to a halt.

[Guest mattsta1964]

Nope. I was a trainee Engineer in the construction industry. The early 90's recession was the worst since the 30's for construction.

Returned to uni and finally re-established myself in 1995. Now run a small consultantcy with my wife (a civil engineer).

In the early 90's high interest rates crippled industry and coupled with a cut in public spending on infrastructure projects the construction industry literally nearly ground to a halt.

The tories were bloody useless after ditching Thatch. The early-mid 90's were a miserable time for alot of people in the UK and the tories were responsible for it. Try telling that to some of the torylovers on this thread though. Total denial.

[Ethel]

Nope. I was a trainee Engineer in the construction industry. The early 90's recession was the worst since the 30's for construction.

Returned to uni and finally re-established myself in 1995. Now run a small consultantcy with my wife (a civil engineer).

In the early 90's high interest rates crippled industry and coupled with a cut in public spending on infrastructure projects the construction industry literally nearly ground to a halt.

Thatcher was responsible for the interest rates, I grant you, but she needed to do it to curb the money supply.

And for cutting public spending - way to go Maggie. Less tax for me to pay, yippee.

As for the recession - I don't particularly think you can blame any tory policy for that one - or for the recessions in the rest of Europe, Canada, the US, and Japan for that matter.

[Guest Yeahbutnocrash]

In my humble opinion the shadow cabinet need a massive public relations exercise for the electorate to know who they are.

How many on this site could name the shadow chancellor or shadow home secretary??

Are the Lib-Dems hoping to sweep to power?

Maybe we need to know if they have anyone to fill these roles