John The Pessimist Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) And there's the problem, right there. Part-time on a secure payroll may be what you would choose, but it's not what employers want to give you. They want either people who will work full-time, and that means any overtime at any notice the employer cares to name, or part-time, preferably flexible and ideally zero hours, meaning of course that you can't make plans for those hours the employer doesn't want you to work. Plus employers don't want to give you security - they want employees they can fire at the drop of a hat. I disagree, small and medium businesses can use the skills of an accountant or an engineering manager for a fixed no. of hours per week on an on-going basis. They may not have the work to employ that person full time, and the professional fees for a firm are prohibitive. However, usually the professional will want to hang up a shingle and to charge professional fees. I think working patterns, and the social status of being in a profession will change dramatically in the next decade. However this presupposes that the worker has a definite skillset to offer. The unskilled will remain fodder for the retailers. Edited September 18, 2010 by John The Pessimist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) And there's the problem, right there. Part-time on a secure payroll may be what you would choose, but it's not what employers want to give you. They want either people who will work full-time, and that means any overtime at any notice the employer cares to name, or part-time, preferably flexible and ideally zero hours, meaning of course that you can't make plans for those hours the employer doesn't want you to work. Plus employers don't want to give you security - they want employees they can fire at the drop of a hat. Well I've got a contract for my p-t hours, haven't been sacked since I started 4 years ago! I've done some overtime but I only do it if it suits me. Certainly it's now the case that even these jobs are becoming harder to find. Seems we're going Japanese with contracted workers (old gits) being supported by young gits (haken, arubito, freeta) with all the security of day labourers. Edited September 18, 2010 by council dweller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyMe Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 they want employees they can fire at the drop of a hat. It is one of the reasons wh they don;t want to train anybody, can't go to the trouble giving young staff externally recognisable skillsets - they might bugger off to a better job. No problem with the visa-bonded staff though - they have to go through the hoops to get another job and another visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Part time/flexible working has many benefits for many people...it gives them time to study or even start their own business......a gradual process going from full time, to part time, to working in your own time that suits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathfinder Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 (edited) Tax credits, at least the working tax credits are not that great a perk for part timers. For part time you need to both be a couple 16 hours a week, or be disabled. 12.5k total household income will net around £42 a week, 24k will gain you nadda. Trying to live in modern society on £879 between two just to get £42 a week tax back is no picnic. Edited September 18, 2010 by pathfinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Tax credits, at least the working tax credits are not that great a perk for part timers. For part time you need to both be a couple 16 hours a week, or be disabled. 12.5k total household income will net around £42 a week, 24k will gain you nadda. Trying to live in modern society on £879 between two just to get £42 a week tax back is no picnic. Looks like for better or worse this will change. Universal Credit and all that.... Who's living in 'a modern society' anyway, I'm living in 1953......you and your colour televisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathfinder Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 Looks like for better or worse this will change. Universal Credit and all that.... Who's living in 'a modern society' anyway, I'm living in 1953......you and your colour televisions. No tv in my flat ^^. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 No tv in my flat ^^. Good man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Yogi Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I've been self-employed for thirty years and generally work between 60 and 70 hours a week. Pretty well everyone on PAYE is a part-timer in my book! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I've been self-employed for thirty years and generally work between 60 and 70 hours a week. Part-timer! Have you reached the point of feeling your income is secure yet? Or indeed of convincing a bank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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