bingobob777 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Nice of them to discover this after tens of thousnads of kids have been given it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8193012.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateerMk2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Lovely. I hear it was rushed through testing, so who knows what long term side effects it might have in addition to the immediate ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I got some generic tamiflu through the internet the other day, just in case people around me start becoming symptonmatic. Obviously more expensive than getting a quacks prescription, but at least i get peace of mind it hasnt been 'enhanced' in some way by politicized NHS pharmacists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Claudius Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I got some generic tamiflu through the internet the other day, just in case people around me start becoming symptonmatic. Obviously more expensive than getting a quacks prescription, but at least i get peace of mind it hasnt been 'enhanced' in some way by politicized NHS pharmacists. yup, I'm sure the Tamiflu you bought on the internet (always the best place for perscription drugs in my view ) is going to be much more reliable than the NHS shape shifting lizard version. not convinced either are going to do you much good tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateerMk2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Buying dodgy pills of the 'net rather than fork out £4 (or whatever they charge down in Ingerlund) is a bit...well...mental. Especially given Tamiflu's general crappiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Claudius Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Buying dodgy pills of the 'net rather than fork out £4 (or whatever they charge down in Ingerlund) is a bit...well...mental. Especially given Tamiflu's general crappiness. they're giving it out free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateerMk2 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 they're giving it out free. Even less reason to buy dog worming tablets off the web then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Nice of them to discover this after tens of thousands of kids have been given it. Problem is, people think that Tamiflu is like an antibiotic. When it is marginally effective at best; I wouldn't really bother with it. (The fascinating thing is how people somehow get all worked up about a vaccine, which IS effective and has a known, very low, risk profile, but go straight for Tamiflu which is not very effective and carries side effects. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 they're giving it out free. Theyre giving their version of it out for free. Which is probably laced with RFID technology, Hallucinogenics and god knows what else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Claudius Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Theyre giving their version of it out for free. Which is probably laced with RFID technology, Hallucinogenics and god knows what else. yes the NHS version is undoubtedly laced with psychedlics and nano transponders you did the smart thing buying prescription drugs off the internet, what could go wrong there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Lovely. I hear it was rushed through testing, so who knows what long term side effects it might have in addition to the immediate ones? Hey, Tamiflu, antibiotic, vaccine. Whats the difference eh? Tamiflu has been on the market for many many years, its the vaccine that has been rushed to market and it's NOT available yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Nice of them to discover this after tens of thousnads of kids have been given it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8193012.stm The depressing thing is that it is not new information. It is there in case a serious strain emerges. It is nasty, but like chemotherapy, it can be necessary. For almost all cases of this strain, it is not. It has been used to fob people off. However, doctors were being warned since the 70's not ot over-prescribe antibiotics. Now it is too late, some have stopped, many have not (easier just to blame the nurses and cleaners). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hey, Tamiflu, antibiotic, vaccine. Whats the difference eh?Tamiflu has been on the market for many many years, its the vaccine that has been rushed to market and it's NOT available yet. Chemotherapy is really nasty and has been around years. That is why people only use it in extreme cases. Some doctors have abused antibiotics and tamiflu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Stromba Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wow another expensive useless drug that has been 'spun' to be some kind of miracle cure. Still must not grumble, at least the big pharma will be making some nice wedge. Im pretty sure taking zinc lozengers with vitamin c have been shown to reduce the length of time you have a cold my about a day too. I wonder why this has been ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Wow another expensive useless drug that has been 'spun' to be some kind of miracle cure.Still must not grumble, at least the big pharma will be making some nice wedge. Im pretty sure taking zinc lozengers with vitamin c have been shown to reduce the length of time you have a cold my about a day too. I wonder why this has been ignored. Tamiful is very good for immediate treatment of serious (i.e. life threatening) flu. It is mainly so good as it is the only option. The recent use of it has been abuse. For most people zinc lozengers with vitamin c is beneficial, for the most severve case, tamiflu might be life saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Stromba Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Tamiful is very good for immediate treatment of serious (i.e. life threatening) flu. It is mainly so good as it is the only option. The recent use of it has been abuse. For most people zinc lozengers with vitamin c is beneficial, for the most severve case, tamiflu might be life saving. Well, you take it then. I wouldnt go near it with someone elses barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well, you take it then. I wouldnt go near it with someone elses barge pole. I have no intention of taking it. Unless I might die of flu, then I might think it the better option. (Is there a reason why you replied without bothering to read what I wrote?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateerMk2 Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Hey, Tamiflu, antibiotic, vaccine. Whats the difference eh? Well, Tamiflu is an anti-viral drug of dubious merit currently being widely employed out of context, while antibiotics are a range of substances that are toxic to certain forms of microbial life (not including viruses which might not even be 'life' at all) and vaccines are deactivated or attenuated viruses injected into a healthy patient to provoke an antigenic response in order that the appropriate antibodies will be present in case of future infection by the same virus. Hey, you asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Wow another expensive useless drug that has been 'spun' to be some kind of miracle cure.Still must not grumble, at least the big pharma will be making some nice wedge. Im pretty sure taking zinc lozengers with vitamin c have been shown to reduce the length of time you have a cold my about a day too. I wonder why this has been ignored. £10 pounds for a course of treatment that may save some lives is nothing compared to the £30k per year that is NEAT's limit for a years life extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Melchett Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 The depressing thing is that it is not new information.It is there in case a serious strain emerges. It is nasty, but like chemotherapy, it can be necessary. For almost all cases of this strain, it is not. It has been used to fob people off. However, doctors were being warned since the 70's not ot over-prescribe antibiotics. Now it is too late, some have stopped, many have not (easier just to blame the nurses and cleaners). Quite. This was never news (not this year anyhow), just conveniently overlooked by the politicos (who'd sunk all their money into huge stocks of Tamiflu) and the meeja (for their own god-knows-what reasons). A couple of things: Relenza is a far better bet in the sort of people who might actually need to take something vs Swine flu (like kids). Unfortunately, the UK gubberment doesnt have massive stockpiles of Relenza, so would rather you didnt say so. Secondly, you need to take these things within 48 hours of onset for them to have a chance of doing anything, so, frankly, by the time you've come down with it, realised you've got it, rung NHS direct, had them ring you back, had someone deliverr it for you....... you might as well not bother. Neither of these points is exactly news either, but, hey, you dont expect the gubberment or the meeja to mention these facts, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Stromba Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I have no intention of taking it.Unless I might die of flu, then I might think it the better option. (Is there a reason why you replied without bothering to read what I wrote?) If you are going to die of flu, the tamiflu wont help, all it does it reduce the length of time it takes you to recover. No recovery = no point taking it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 If you are going to die of flu, the tamiflu wont help, all it does it reduce the length of time it takes you to recover.No recovery = no point taking it No, it can help in serious cases, assuming it is not left too late. It has had some testing, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Stromba Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 No, it can help in serious cases, assuming it is not left too late. It has had some testing, you know. HAHA. Whats that? Oh you're serious? : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 HAHA. Whats that? Oh you're serious? : The Daily Mail is not a respected scientific journal, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 A couple of things: Relenza is a far better bet in the sort of people who might actually need to take something vs Swine flu (like kids). Unfortunately, the UK gubberment doesnt have massive stockpiles of Relenza, so would rather you didnt say so. Secondly, you need to take these things within 48 hours of onset for them to have a chance of doing anything, so, frankly, by the time you've come down with it, realised you've got it, rung NHS direct, had them ring you back, had someone deliverr it for you....... you might as well not bother. Relenza has to be inhaled a serious disadvantage if you are coughing and your lungs are blocked with fluid. Its also more expensive than Tamiflu. The 48hour time period; well if you already have tamiflu the delay from the NHS (if there is still much of one now they have things going) isn't relevant to its performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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