Australia Faces Its Demons

gus · August 24, 2010

76 is the required number so including her green traitor she is still well short of the mark.

How can she hang on to something she never had. She might be from the wrong end of Barry Wales but that in itself is probably something that should go against her.

What will happen now is that the three independents will twist Abbots arm and form a coalition.

This is what I think will happen.

Bearing in mind all you roo suckers are only one generation away from somewhere else , why should being from Wales go against her? I always thought it was the plum in the mouth,dumb but privileged,superiority-complexed Englishman that Ozzies despised.I'm confused by the depth of your venom towards her so is it because:

1 She's Welsh?

2 She's a woman?

3 She's childless?

4 She's living in sin?

5 She's a back-stabbing , self-interested politician?

Care to elucidate on any of the above? Genuinely interested.

Tiger Woods? · August 24, 2010

Bearing in mind all you roo suckers are only one generation away from somewhere else , why should being from Wales go against her? I always thought it was the plum in the mouth,dumb but privileged,superiority-complexed Englishman that Ozzies despised.I'm confused by the depth of your venom towards her so is it because:

1 She's Welsh?

2 She's a woman?

3 She's childless?

4 She's living in sin?

5 She's a back-stabbing , self-interested politician?

Care to elucidate on any of the above? Genuinely interested.

The problem people have with her is mainly 5. Issues 1 through 4 would not by themselves have much bearing on her character, but are used as supporting evidence given that 5 is the case.

Hino · August 24, 2010

Point 1 is a non-starter.

She's Australian not British, if she was British or held duel citizenship she would be barred from holding office.

Bearing in mind all you roo suckers are only one generation away from somewhere else , why should being from Wales go against her? I always thought it was the plum in the mouth,dumb but privileged,superiority-complexed Englishman that Ozzies despised.I'm confused by the depth of your venom towards her so is it because:

1 She's Welsh?

2 She's a woman?

3 She's childless?

4 She's living in sin?

5 She's a back-stabbing , self-interested politician?

Care to elucidate on any of the above? Genuinely interested.

Edited August 24, 2010 by Hino

gus · August 24, 2010

The problem people have with her is mainly 5. Issues 1 through 4 would not by themselves have much bearing on her character, but are used as supporting evidence given that 5 is the case.

But 5 is "de rigueur" for all politicians of whatever race or gender. Seems to me, particularly after seeing Latham's veritable assault on her (don't tell me he'd have tried that on a man )that Australia is not yet comfortable with a woman at the top.... any woman.

gus · August 24, 2010

Point 1 is a non-starter.

She's Australian not British, if she was British or held duel citizenship she would be barred from holding office.

I fully agree, but look at Bardon's post (the one I responded to).

blue skies · August 24, 2010

Hey Uncle, Why would a highly sucessfull working family man like Bardon/ Aussieboy devote a huge part of his life here?

Time that is spent in counter argument and generally disrespecting others?

Well I choose to look for what is not there.

Its not complicated,

People who have nothing better to do end up in chat rooms.

People who are hurting, hurt others.

This will ring true for everyone of us , it is only when abnormal behavour becomes the greater part of your personality that becomes problem.

It is a stigma. A traint so big that people no longer see the person, they only see the Stigma.

At a gess Bardon is strugling with Identity (how he veiws himself and his veiw of how the world veiws him)

In all probability his life is so mundane he chooses to live in a online world were he creates a fantisy of relationships, wealth ,work.

The combatal stance he takes renforces the feelings of power and superiarity.

What is at the root of all this misscontent?

He was a ethnic kid growing up in England.

The hard times he received has rendered him socialy disenfranchized.

So a mellajusted Bardon/ Aussieboy lives out his days unloved and unwanted.

Venting his anger on strangers in chat rooms.

blue skies · August 24, 2010

Theres your answer Hino

Hino · August 24, 2010

"Answer" ???

I don't recall asking a question ............ :unsure:

Theres your answer Hino

blue skies · August 24, 2010

"Answer" ???

I don't recall asking a question ............

I stand corrected.

Here is your answer Gus.

deeplyblue · August 24, 2010

The hard times he received has rendered him socialy disenfranchized.

So a mellajusted Bardon/ Aussieboy lives out his days unloved and unwanted.

Venting his anger on strangers in chat rooms.

I don't suppose Bardon needs (or wants?) others sticking up for him, but I'm going to anyway. I beg that you take in mind that he and probably find ourselves on opposite sides of the debate on most issues.

Firstly no one, but no one, on here has any right to berate others for spending time online.

I do rather get cross with others who claim that spending time online is a clear proof that you're a sad and lonely git, who, if they had any friends, would be out there drinking with them. There seems to be a theory that you can't have a social life online, which is rubbish.

You may not like everyone you meet here, or chose to spend a couple of hours of intimate time with them, but that's true of any large-ish social gathering. Anyone who is tied to the house by illness or family responsibilities can chose to meet and talk with people who s/he has never met in the flesh - it's a real lifeline for some. Anyone stuck in the Outback (the bit(s) with broadband!) might feel that their chances of talking to a variety of people is improved by this sort of site. Anyone who wants to talk to others who share their interest in (say) Native American culture will find it easier to meet kindred spirits online than in a small Northern market town.

There are real online communities, real online friendships and often real online support. Try reading the thread on one of the cancer forums, where people with terminally ill spouses help each other get through it - this is the sort of place you can go to at 3 am when you think they might not last another week and talk to people who who've been there.

Lastly, on a point of information, this is not a chat room (though Bardon may, of course, appear on chat rooms as well). The crucial difference is that chat rooms operate in real time, whereas on forums you write as and when you want to and then post the result up for anyone to see, though it may be 12 hours, or even 12 days, before you get a response. Here you can provide a measured answer to anything that has been written, and even check your writing for misspelling and lack of clarity before posting. It also makes it much easier for people in widely different time zones, or with very different daily routines, to converse with each other.

db

Edited August 25, 2010 by deeplyblue

blue skies · August 25, 2010

Deeplyblue, your veiws are welcome.

A breath of fresh air.

I never seen Bardon do such a perfect back flip from a sexist, racest statement.

If you stay here for some time the empathy you feel for Bardon may wane.

deeplyblue · August 25, 2010

Deeplyblue, your veiws are welcome.

A breath of fresh air.

I never seen Bardon do such a perfect back flip from a sexist, racest statement.

If you stay here for some time the empathy you feel for Bardon may wane.

Thanks for the expression of appreciation.

I'm afraid my views were more a flash of irritation at the "You are a sad miserable git taking it out on strangers." The implication always seems to be that one is less of a sad miserable git if you "Get a life" and stop talking to people via a screen.

The time stamps on my posts will demonstrate one reason why I "socialise" online - I'm awake at an hour inconvenient for other forms of socialisation.

The fact that I often disagree with what Bardon says, sometimes to the point of fury, doesn't mean that I think he should be abused for doing it online, rather than down the pub.

I do believe that rules about racism and sexism are necessary in places like this, to keep the discourse civil, and should not be broken. Equally, rules about personal attacks are also necessary to keep the air smelling sweet.

Back to the important business of the RPG game I was playing ("Get a life" anyone?)

db

gus · August 25, 2010

It’s none of the above to answer your question. But I will give you some feedback anyhow

1 Questionable breeding is not as major an issue in oz as it is in the UK, so no.

2. No women are the stronger sex, so no.

3. Childless does not come into it, so no.

4. The fact that she co habits with her beard and has never been open about her sexual preferences is a personal matter, so no.

5. I think she got whacked by the QLD mafia because of this, but no that is not the reason for my bitter and twisted hatred for her.

On 5 she is only the party face. You don't need me to tell you that the people behind Rudd's public execution were, of course, the money men and the apparatchiks at the top of the party apparatus.But the way she was vilified on personal issues by the Australian press and media was nothing short of a disgrace . Sordid and very immature and if they were truly representative of the collective political conscience of Australia then you are still a nation with a long way to go !

Personally , I don't like her either but in comparison to Abbott she is the apogee of political astuteness.

deeplyblue · August 25, 2010

On 5 she is only the party face. You don't need me to tell you that the people behind Rudd's public execution were, of course, the money men and the apparatchiks at the top of the party apparatus.But the way she was vilified on personal issues by the Australian press and media was nothing short of a disgrace . Sordid and very immature and if they were truly representative of the collective political conscience of Australia then you are still a nation with a long way to go !

Personally , I don't like her either but in comparison to Abbott she is the apogee of political astuteness.

Re Abbott, I get a certain grim humour at the thought of someone who wants to let the mining companies plunder Australia's geological riches as quickly as possible, but who doesn't believe in geology.

db

gus · August 25, 2010

Re Abbott, I get a certain grim humour at the thought of someone who wants to let the mining companies plunder Australia's geological riches as quickly as possible, but who doesn't believe in geology.

db

He really does come across as a lightweight. He openly admits that he's a technophobe and is economically illiterate .(Maybe Brown should tutor him!!)

It seems he's only in his element when he's jogging or in his smugglers. Clearly, from yesterdays article Ms.Greer is no fan either .

Ruffneck · August 25, 2010

Looks like Hasluck is safe for the libs now but Brisbane is slipping.On the flipside Corangamite is back in contention for the libs , only 500 votes difference with around 84% counted and postals favouring libs.

Ruffneck · August 25, 2010

He really does come across as a lightweight. He openly admits that he's a technophobe and is economically illiterate .(Maybe Brown should tutor him!!)

It seems he's only in his element when he's jogging or in his smugglers. Clearly, from yesterdays article Ms.Greer is no fan either .

Germaine Greer prefers a female PM.

Hold the press.... :rolleyes:

blue skies · August 25, 2010

Blueskies you are pretty easily pleased with my major backflip.

I got the ten bob note bit wrong and I should have instead said nine bob note. So that’s a one bob backflip.

Not even two bob, but one bob.

So yes your idea of my perfect backlflip is the most that you will ever see and you should enjoy and savour it.

This will test you

With out Google

What is the Australian name for a sixpence?

blue skies · August 25, 2010

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jackalope · August 25, 2010

He really does come across as a lightweight. He openly admits that he's a technophobe and is economically illiterate .(Maybe Brown should tutor him!!)

It seems he's only in his element when he's jogging or in his smugglers. Clearly, from yesterdays article Ms.Greer is no fan either .

Gillard is basically Gordon Brown in a ginger wig with his tackle tucked between his legs. Abbott is less relentlessly strange, not operated by the unions using remote control and is therefore preferable.

blue skies · August 27, 2010

Liberals will successfully negotiate with the three independents.

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blue skies · August 27, 2010

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August 27, 2010

HOME owners and renters struggling to pay bills would be handed vouchers under the Coalition's housing policy, potentially marking a radical shift away from state-provided accommodation to direct subsidies of private home ownership.

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HOME owners and renters struggling to pay bills would be handed vouchers under the Coalition's housing policy, potentially marking a radical shift away from state-provided accommodation to direct subsidies of private home ownership.

The Coalition's plan, which does not have a price tag, is to corral state governments into redirecting housing budgets towards vouchers that families can use in private rental or even to pay off their mortgage.

The policy was released on the Liberal Party's website last Thursday night and given little attention in the countdown to Saturday's poll. While the Coalition says the idea is not developed enough to contribute extra money to, it concedes more funding would help make it work.

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''The idea is one that obliviously needs to be negotiated with the states, because effectively it is their money we are talking about, although I suppose the implication is that the Commonwealth would help contribute to this over time to sort of make the idea work,'' the Coalition's housing spokesman, Gary Humphries, said yesterday.

Senator Humphries said the voucher concept marked a philosophical shift.

''The focus is on independence and a capacity to take charge of people's lives so they can get back on their own feet as quickly as possible and not depend on the welfare system,'' he said.

The generosity of the vouchers would be roughly equivalent to what state governments already spend providing public housing, Senator Humphries said.

But not everybody eligible for public housing would receive a voucher. There were 328,736 individuals and families in public housing as of mid-last year, and 173,456 on waiting lists, according to Australian Institute of Health and Welfare figures. Another 37,833 lived in community housing, with 49,187 on waiting lists.

Senator Humphries conceded that providing vouchers to everyone on a waiting list would blow out costs.

''If you said to everybody, 'We can't get you into a social dwelling but we will give you a voucher to use in the private sector', it would certainly add to the cost, there's no question about that.''

The policy was drawn up after consultation with real estate and property groups. ''We've talked to a number of stakeholders, not particularly any representing renters or people like that,'' Senator Humphries said.

Tenancy and social housing advocates are wary of the scheme's potential to drive up rent and mortgage costs by providing more subsidies without increasing the supply of housing. They also claim the policy would need a lot more funding.

The Treasury would not be able to cost the policy, because there is not enough detail on who would be eligible and how much they would receive.

plan, which does not have a price tag, is to corral state governments into redirecting housing budgets towards vouchers that families can use in private rental or even to pay off their mortgage.