DONKEY2409 Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I see many people on this site are already celebrating the demise of the Labour Party and the hideous Gordon at the next election. I firmly believe they are wrong and that Labour will be returned to power, these are my reasons: 1. The Labour Party QE/low interest rates con has worked in that its stopped house prices going through the floor. 2. Over the last 12 years the Labour party has built up a massive Client State...this includes public sector workers (6 million!), the benefit classes (I suppose you could lump public sector workers in here, maybe no nedd for a seperate category), the quangocracy, religious and immigrant groups and the BBC. This Client State represents millions of votes in the bag for Labour, people choose who to vote for out of self interest after all. 3. The Tory party has singularaly failed in landing any damaging attacks on the Labour government despite Labour's blatant corruption and incompetence, additionally the Tories have singularly failed to express any remotely inspiring or credible mission statement. 4. David Cameron and George Osborne fall into the "nice but dim" public school-boy category and it has not gone un-noticed by the public that they have surrounded themselves by other nice (and not so nice) but dim public school types (I mean Kirsty, for goodness sake whats that about): consequently the public believe the Tories will govern for the rich only. So, what do you guys and gals think. I'm sincerely hoping that someone can persuade me otherwise so that I can sleep at nights.
oracle Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I see many people on this site are already celebrating the demise of the Labour Party and the hideous Gordon at the next election. I firmly believe they are wrong and that Labour will be returned to power, these are my reasons: 1. The Labour Party QE/low interest rates con has worked in that its stopped house prices going through the floor. 2. Over the last 12 years the Labour party has built up a massive Client State...this includes public sector workers (6 million!), the benefit classes (I suppose you could lump public sector workers in here, maybe no nedd for a seperate category), the quangocracy, religious and immigrant groups and the BBC. This Client State represents millions of votes in the bag for Labour, people choose who to vote for out of self interest after all. 3. The Tory party has singularaly failed in landing any damaging attacks on the Labour government despite Labour's blatant corruption and incompetence, additionally the Tories have singularly failed to express any remotely inspiring or credible mission statement. 4. David Cameron and George Osborne fall into the "nice but dim" public school-boy category and it has not gone un-noticed by the public that they have surrounded themselves by other nice (and not so nice) but dim public school types (I mean Kirsty, for goodness sake whats that about): consequently the public believe the Tories will govern for the rich only. So, what do you guys and gals think. I'm sincerely hoping that someone can persuade me otherwise so that I can sleep at nights. no chance!! rage against the machine got to number 1. ought to tell you something about the public mood.Change is coming...and it might not even be as red as blulabour. (even IF this was manipulated and spun beyond belief,it should give you an angle of the future direction of the country,and it's most definitely towards true-blue conservatism)
DONKEY2409 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 no chance!! rage against the machine got to number 1. ought to tell you something about the public mood.Change is coming...and it might not even be as red as blulabour. (even IF this was manipulated and spun beyond belief,it should give you an angle of the future direction of the country,and it's most definitely towards true-blue conservatism) Thanks for trying but I'm still not sleeping!
okaycuckoo Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Someone mentioned elsewhere that savings had risen surprisingly high. People do get it, and the electorate can be a canny baxtard.
Guest KingCharles1st Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Well considering everyone I speak to (traditional Tory Voters) are extremely likely to mark against BNP- we could be in for a great election night. Thing is though, I really DO NOT TRUST the count- if Labour have ANYTHING to do with it.
Game_Over Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I see many people on this site are already celebrating the demise of the Labour Party and the hideous Gordon at the next election. I firmly believe they are wrong and that Labour will be returned to power, these are my reasons: 1. The Labour Party QE/low interest rates con has worked in that its stopped house prices going through the floor. 2. Over the last 12 years the Labour party has built up a massive Client State...this includes public sector workers (6 million!), the benefit classes (I suppose you could lump public sector workers in here, maybe no nedd for a seperate category), the quangocracy, religious and immigrant groups and the BBC. This Client State represents millions of votes in the bag for Labour, people choose who to vote for out of self interest after all. 3. The Tory party has singularaly failed in landing any damaging attacks on the Labour government despite Labour's blatant corruption and incompetence, additionally the Tories have singularly failed to express any remotely inspiring or credible mission statement. 4. David Cameron and George Osborne fall into the "nice but dim" public school-boy category and it has not gone un-noticed by the public that they have surrounded themselves by other nice (and not so nice) but dim public school types (I mean Kirsty, for goodness sake whats that about): consequently the public believe the Tories will govern for the rich only. So, what do you guys and gals think. I'm sincerely hoping that someone can persuade me otherwise so that I can sleep at nights. Part of me wants Labour to win so that they reap what they have sown If I was Cameron and I won the election I would probably sh*t my pants Because it's going to be grim. We ain't seen nothing yet - unfortunately
DONKEY2409 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 Part of me wants Labour to win so that they reap what they have sown If I was Cameron and I won the election I would probably sh*t my pants Because it's going to be grim. We ain't seen nothing yet - unfortunately Maybe the Tories are being deliberately rubbish then, maybe they simply don't want the poisoned cahlice!
Guest absolutezero Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 It's a win-win situation for Labour. If they win the election, they win. Obviously. And they'll see their policies through. They know what they're doing it's just that most people don't yet see it. Give it time and people will. Takes a long time to get people to think your way. If they lose the election, the Tories will be voted out next time because of the unpleasant economic situation - possibly for good.
PontiusPig Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 You are too hard on The Tories just now... When Brown-eye first got elected sorry got gifted it by that lying maggot Blair Just before Brown wimped out and decided to show us his Britain of (presumably an even shi ttier Britain) Cameron looked and acted and spoke like a real leader in waiting Now that Brown has really pissed the country down the drains I ask Where is Cameron? When was the last time he said anything? When did you last see him on TV or read an artcile written by him? When did he he last do a fantastic PMQ When was the last time he showed any enthusiasm of being the next PM whatsoever He hasn't he doesn't want the job becuause Labours Mess THAT DIDNT START IN AMERICA will take 20 years to sort out if it ever happens Whichever party wins the next election will be toast for the next generation Not even Brown can stop his wall of s it from hitting the fan much longer We are alomst certainly in a depression (A depression is any economic downturn where real GDP declines by more than 10 percent.) I know its only showing a fall of 6% but bear in mind that it doesnt take account of money printing (which is the only growth factor in this game at the mo) Hate Britain, Love Labour
Optimistic Pessimist Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I still find it difficult to believe that people still vote Labour. So with that in mind, I really do hope that Labour win. Then when things get really ugly, which they must surely do, then maybe those people who vote for Labour as a matter of course will see how totally awful the Labour party are. I believe a Tory win after another term of Labour would be on an unprecedented scale. Trouble is, could we endure another 5 years of these buffoons?
oracle Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 You are too hard on The Tories just now... When Brown-eye first got elected sorry got gifted it by that lying maggot Blair Just before Brown wimped out and decided to show us his Britain of (presumably an even shi ttier Britain) Cameron looked and acted and spoke like a real leader in waiting Now that Brown has really pissed the country down the drains I ask Where is Cameron? When was the last time he said anything? When did you last see him on TV or read an artcile written by him? When did he he last do a fantastic PMQ When was the last time he showed any enthusiasm of being the next PM whatsoever He hasn't he doesn't want the job becuause Labours Mess THAT DIDNT START IN AMERICA will take 20 years to sort out if it ever happens Whichever party wins the next election will be toast for the next generation Not even Brown can stop his wall of s it from hitting the fan much longer We are alomst certainly in a depression (A depression is any economic downturn where real GDP declines by more than 10 percent.) I know its only showing a fall of 6% but bear in mind that it doesnt take account of money printing (which is the only growth factor in this game at the mo) Hate Britain, Love Labour ok so we've had 20 or 30 years getting obese on rampant consumerism and wayward public expenditure. ...and we need a few years on a currency-controlled diet to shed the extra pounds(excuse the pun!) we still have some semblance of innovative capability in the country(F1 engines etc) we could probably tie up deals with tata motors in india,and shanghai automotive in china to export some new concepts to go into their cars......as long as the door swings both ways,and we get bums on seats making them over here,then we can sort out that wretched deficit the commie tractor-producing stalinists has left us with. ....we might also need to reconsider the removal/dumbing down/endebtedness of some of the science degrees,cos they're the guys that can sort out this mess.
Johnny Storm Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 If they lose the election, the Tories will be voted out next time because of the unpleasant economic situation - possibly for good. I dont agree. I think the Tories will expose EVERYTHING that Labour have been upto for the last 12 years. I dont think they will take resposibility for what they have to do (as they dont have any). They may get voted out next time, but not to vote Labour back in. We already tried them. If the Tories cant fix the damage enough in their term, then UKIP or BNP next.
Guest KingCharles1st Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 i personally think that Cameron has been holding back. There can be no other reason- surely...? i reckon he doesn't want the Tory challenge to peak too early?
Guest Skinty Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I don't think it's a done deal that the Tories will win, but it's certain that no one will be voting for Labour. There are a lot of wild cards in political landscape. Of course there is the traditional fall-back of the Lib Dems, but I think that if people vote against their usual habits then it will be as a protest. So we could see UKIP make huge gains. Don't forget the SNP are now a major contender for taking Scotland and where would that leave Labour? The political landscape is changing.
DONKEY2409 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 I don't think it's a done deal that the Tories will win, but it's certain that no one will be voting for Labour. There are a lot of wild cards in political landscape. Of course there is the traditional fall-back of the Lib Dems, but I think that if people vote against their usual habits then it will be as a protest. So we could see UKIP make huge gains. Don't forget the SNP are now a major contender for taking Scotland and where would that leave Labour? The political landscape is changing. I would say one of those wild cards is the massive expansion of the public sector, Labour will bang on about how the Tories will slash publice servants and, as I said before, thats pretty much 6 million votes in the bag.
Bossybabe Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Well considering everyone I speak to (traditional Tory Voters) are extremely likely to mark against BNP- we could be in for a great election night. Thing is though, I really DO NOT TRUST the count- if Labour have ANYTHING to do with it. Why? because they can't count, or because they'll pochle [fiddle] the results like Iraqi or Afghan elections?
Bossybabe Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 It's a win-win situation for Labour. If they win the election, they win. Obviously. And they'll see their policies through. They know what they're doing it's just that most people don't yet see it. Give it time and people will. Takes a long time to get people to think your way. If they lose the election, the Tories will be voted out next time because of the unpleasant economic situation - possibly for good. Is that by brainwashing?
Guest absolutezero Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I dont agree. I think the Tories will expose EVERYTHING that Labour have been upto for the last 12 years. I dont think they will take resposibility for what they have to do (as they dont have any). They may get voted out next time, but not to vote Labour back in. We already tried them. If the Tories cant fix the damage enough in their term, then UKIP or BNP next. Oi! Storm! We're meant to back each other up or no more sexual favours for you.
Guest absolutezero Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Is that by brainwashing? You call it brainwashing. They'd call it neuro-linguistic programming and social engineering.
Guest KingCharles1st Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Oi! Storm! We're meant to back each other up or no more sexual favours for you. Threesome anybody.?
Guest tbatst2000 Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I have a horrible feeling you're right. I regularly have conversations with people that go something like: me: Labour voted for detention without trial, ID cards, suspension of habeas corpus etc etc (it's a long list) other: yes, but the Tories were in favour too me: no they weren't, they voted against it other: yes, but only because they were playing politics, not because they believed it me: what about David Davis then? other: well, except him me: ok, how about lib-dems then? other: they're crap me: ok, what about economics then, no more boom and bust eh? other: Tories would have been worse, I remember the 80s & early 90s me: but they fixed it, Major was rubbish but him and Clarke balanced the books other: no they didn't me: er, yes they did etc etc The Tories haven't come close to nailing it, we could quite easily have another 5 years of the snot-gobbler to look forward to.
DONKEY2409 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 I have a horrible feeling you're right. I regularly have conversations with people that go something like: me: Labour voted for detention without trial, ID cards, suspension of habeas corpus etc etc (it's a long list) other: yes, but the Tories were in favour too me: no they weren't, they voted against it other: yes, but only because they were playing politics, not because they believed it me: what about David Davis then? other: well, except him me: ok, how about lib-dems then? other: they're crap me: ok, what about economics then, no more boom and bust eh? other: Tories would have been worse, I remember the 80s & early 90s me: but they fixed it, Major was rubbish but him and Clarke balanced the books other: no they didn't me: er, yes they did etc etc The Tories haven't come close to nailing it, we could quite easily have another 5 years of the snot-gobbler to look forward to. Exactly...thats why I don't sleep: Brown and Herr Mendelsohn are running rings round David nice but dim Cameron and his Bullingdon buddies, and what with 6 million tax-gobbling, non-producing public servants voting to keep themselves on the gravy train and the BBC propaganda machine, I personally think Labour have it (the election) in the bag.
oracle Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Meanwhile,gordon's bosses are hard at work discussing geopolitics
Grimbert Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 i personally think that Cameron has been holding back. There can be no other reason- surely...? i reckon he doesn't want the Tory challenge to peak too early? Either Cameron really is an idiot or this is the very clever game he's playing. I'll probably be voting UKIP as a protest, assuming they have a candidate here.
hedgefunded Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 I think Labour will lose and lose heavily, for one reason only. Most people utterly despise Gordon Brown.
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