Wuluf Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I feel Britain would do rather well if it stays out of the whole EU mess and tries to manage its affairs independently while maintaining good trade ties with the EU( like Switzerland). Switzerland will join the Schengen Territory in 2007 Switzerland doesnt want to influence the world/europe. The UK does Very few "important" people truly want Switzerland to be subject to European Banking Laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rentose Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 The price of living doesn't seem to deter the 1000 immigrants arriving in the UK every day. I agree, I am non EU and single, living near London. If I chose to, with my current liabilities each month, I could put away about £900 a month, on a salary of about 24000. Obviously thats because I am single, and have few debts or outgoings at present. But lets compare that to someone identical to me in say Spain, with an entry level IT job (which is what I have). Could they put away £900 (1330 euros) on a Spanish entry level IT job with the same outgoings and circumstances as me? I hear a lot about the high cost of living in the UK, and agree that some things are ridiculously overpriced: houses, running a car, tube and train travel. But can anyone tell me where in Europe I could put away 1330 euros a month? I realise that figure is based on me depriving myself of luxuries and renting a room in a non expensive area, but if I made the same sacrifices in another country would I put away 1330 euros a month. And yes, I know that not all people can live a spartan existence just to put away money each month, but the people coming to this country plan to do just that. Where is their best bet, Spain,Italy or the UK? And my figure of 1330 a month is before I do any overtime. Now I realise that my salary is not indicative of what the newcomers will get, but I still feel they stand more of a chance of putting good money aside each month in the UK then in Europe. If they end up doing farmwork they will earn a lot less, but will pay less rent, and probably live near where they work thus saving on transport. I think a romanian making £300 a week (maybe 60+ hrs), can put away at least £200 if they eat simple, spend nothing and in all likelihood get paid cash in hand, thus no tax. Thats about £850 saved a month, as a farmworker. Where else are they gonna get that kind of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredTrainBuilder Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 There are quite a few myths. GDP per person - the only measure that matters - is declining, and that is due to the huge numbers of people imported. There is a very mature immigration industry out there now. There have been many agencies out there, bringing in people to work for local companies by the self employed route, which is unlimited - and is a clear ten foot hole through all the regulations. Poland and the polish workers, speak a language totally unrelated to English, with no roots. The new countries have strong latin roots - English is half Latin and has strong latin roots. You are uniquely and comprehensively wrong nearly everytime you post. UK GDP growth per capita was and is strong: Gross Domestic Product Per Capita, Annual, Current Prices and Current PPPs (in USD) 1998, 23 275.12; 1999, 23 989.46; 2000, 25 587.79; 2001, 27 092.49; 2002, 28 977.92; 2003, 29 873.37; 2004, 31 780.16; 2005, 32 859.88. http://stats.oecd.org English does not have strong Latin roots and it is not half Latin. It is definitively a Germanic language which has taken in many words from Latin languages, French in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatso Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 You are uniquely and comprehensively wrong nearly everytime you post. UK GDP growth per capita was and is strong: Gross Domestic Product Per Capita, Annual, Current Prices and Current PPPs (in USD) 1998, 23 275.12; 1999, 23 989.46; 2000, 25 587.79; 2001, 27 092.49; 2002, 28 977.92; 2003, 29 873.37; 2004, 31 780.16; 2005, 32 859.88. http://stats.oecd.org English does not have strong Latin roots and it is not half Latin. It is definitively a Germanic language which has taken in many words from Latin languages, French in particular. Perhaps Brainclamps, brainclamps come loose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredTrainBuilder Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Perhaps Brainclamps, brainclamps come loose? No, this is perfectly consistent with his usual outpourings. No change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I agree, I am non EU and single, living near London. If I chose to, with my current liabilities each month, I could put away about £900 a month, on a salary of about 24000. Obviously thats because I am single, and have few debts or outgoings at present. But lets compare that to someone identical to me in say Spain, with an entry level IT job (which is what I have). Could they put away £900 (1330 euros) on a Spanish entry level IT job with the same outgoings and circumstances as me? I think you have indentified a significant difference between the UK and most of the other 'established' EU members. When you are single, childless, in good health and employed in the UK, life is pretty good and there are few other places you could have as much fun. However, if you are married, a parent, ill or unemployed, the UK is a far less welcoming place in terms of living standards than other countries. Over the past 2 decades, the importance of the family and of family life has been slowly and carefully diminished in the UK. The UK is the half way house between the 'European' model and the US model. With each passing year we are moving closer to the unforgiving society of the US, and all under the leadership of a socialist government, amazing! Now lets get back to concentrating on not getting ill or injured, not wanting to have any time with our kids or a decent house with a bit of space for them to grow up in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 FOOLS!!!! Alert! Alert! Actung Achtung!!! Why has nobody mentioned the most frightnening thing of all about this? What is in Romania??? TRANSYLVANIA!!! We have invited the vampires here!!!! Be careful who you invite over your doorstep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Weasel Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 FOOLS!!!! Alert! Alert! Actung Achtung!!! Why has nobody mentioned the most frightnening thing of all about this? What is in Romania??? TRANSYLVANIA!!! We have invited the vampires here!!!! Be careful who you invite over your doorstep Am I right in thinking that a vampire can only enter a country if it is invited? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnd Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 FOOLS!!!! Alert! Alert! Actung Achtung!!! Why has nobody mentioned the most frightnening thing of all about this? What is in Romania??? TRANSYLVANIA!!! We have invited the vampires here!!!! Be careful who you invite over your doorstep That kind of angle on the story might make it to the tabloids frontpage headlines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) Am I right in thinking that a vampire can only enter a country if it is invited? aaaraahaghaghhhhhh Peter Cushing never said .... what is the answer?? +++ LATEST NEWS +++ TRANSYLVANIAN IMMIGRATION SEE GARLIC SALES ROCKET!!!! Edited January 2, 2007 by www Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondy Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 "In Romania, new budget airlines have sprung up virtually overnight with new routes to cater for the thousands of migrants heading for Britain and other EU countries in the coming days." Unfortunately this is not true. Only Wizzair flies from BUcharest to London. Other choices are only TAROM and British Airways who cost at leat 200 pounds round trip. If one flies to Transilvania, there is a possibility of flying to Budapest and then a 3-4 hour train trip. Easyjet flies to Budapest from London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AteMoose Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 the farther of my slovakian gf is worried about romanian immigration INTO slovakia, its not just the UK that is worried, poland and slovakia are also worried, and there closer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondy Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 + The romanians (being on the whole an insular lot) see themselves as being (superior) South Western European rather than East European. I agree with this. There is an unsuported feeling of superity. It is also due to the years under Ceausescu and his propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris_77 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 You are uniquely and comprehensively wrong nearly everytime you post. UK GDP growth per capita was and is strong: Gross Domestic Product Per Capita, Annual, Current Prices and Current PPPs (in USD) 1998, 23 275.12; 1999, 23 989.46; 2000, 25 587.79; 2001, 27 092.49; 2002, 28 977.92; 2003, 29 873.37; 2004, 31 780.16; 2005, 32 859.88. http://stats.oecd.org English does not have strong Latin roots and it is not half Latin. It is definitively a Germanic language which has taken in many words from Latin languages, French in particular. PPP in measured in dollars and hence most of the recent increase in PPP is due to a weak dollar rather than any real strenght of the UK economy. The most objective measure of a country's wellbeing is the HDI, which has been on the decline in the UK since 2000. + Re the Poles. The Poles have a greater cultural affinity with the West/Anglo-Saxon world (headed by the USA) than probably any other Eastern European country Poles are Western slavs who are more similar, culturally and linguistically, to the Slavs of the Eurasian Stepps than to Anglo Saxons( apart from the Catholic faith)....The only association they have with the US is the presence of a large Polish expat community there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockrobin Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I guess the only reason for EU to exist is to eventually counter balance USA, CHina and India, isn't it? Bulgaria and Romania will contribute in about 10 years from now. They will be in better shape than Cyprus or Greece by then. The EU is a concept for the future not for 2007. It might not work. BUt is the alternative? Stay always in the shadow of Americans? The EU is a disaster waiting to happen, and I don't beleive the benefits of being an EU member are worth the Billions of pounds membership fee we pay every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuluf Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Poles are Western slavs who are more similar, culturally and linguistically, to the Slavs of the Eurasian Stepps than to Anglo Saxons( apart from the Catholic faith)....The only association they have with the US is the presence of a large Polish expat community there. Is it fair for me to conclude that english is not your mother tongue..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris_77 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Is it fair for me to conclude that english is not your mother tongue..? Now what does that mean? That you got the bit about the Poles wrong and have nothing meaningful to add? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredTrainBuilder Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 PPP in measured in dollars and hence most of the recent increase in PPP is due to a weak dollar rather than any real strenght of the UK economy. I should have realised, it's all statistical sleight of hand, the HPCer's stock response to statistics that do not demonstrate decay and collapse. Perhaps you could state whether you agree with the original poster's contention, viz: "GDP per person - the only measure that matters - is declining" The pound has varied in strength throughout the relevant period. Your point is a red herring. HDI? Is that something the Guardian does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsie Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 One very clear advantage for anyone trying to control inflation....it keeps wages down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuluf Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) Now what does that mean? That you got the bit about the Poles wrong and have nothing meaningful to add? no it means some things are too óbvious to be spelt out here is another more international term. non-sequiter i dont think you understood what i said. hence my comment Edited January 2, 2007 by Wuluf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird 900 Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 "Is it fair for me to conclude that english is not your mother tongue..?" English spelt with a small e. Wuluf, for someone like you, who is pretentious and arrogant to the nth degree, to make the above statement is breathtaking. Your posts consist of poorly written English and bad grammar. You keep telling us how well educated you are. I disagree, as your moronic sentences show. "no it means some things are too óbvious to be spelt out here is another more international term. non-sequiter i dont think you understood what i said. hence my comment ..." Bad grammar. No capital letters. No full stops. O with an acute accent. Wuluf, start with "Jack and Jill went up the hill" then come back to this site when you have received an education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuluf Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 "Is it fair for me to conclude that english is not your mother tongue..?" English spelt with a small e. Fair enough.. Wuluf, for someone like you, who is pretentious and arrogant to the nth degree, to make the above statement is breathtaking. Your posts consist of poorly written English and bad grammar. You keep telling us how well educated you are. I disagree, as your moronic sentences show. Fair enough. You may or may not have noticed that I have stopped telling "you". Calm down. Hope you are still breathing. Bad grammar. No capital letters. No full stops. O with an acute accent. I actually wrote that response on my laptop while on a treadmaster in the gym.. Not all of us only live online.. I just didnt have the physical dexterity to type correctly and tread at the same time. And to be honest I knew what I was doing but couldnt really care less. Wuluf, start with "Jack and Jill went up the hill" then come back to this site when you have received an education. Ok.. My comment was not about the persons Grammar. In fact I dont think I have ever picked someone up about that, as most people do not take the time/effort to ensure that their posts are up to the high linguistic standard that you seem to require. That sort of online nitpicking is a waste of time and effort. In time we will all make similar mistakes. Even "you". My point was more that the poster didnt seem to understand what I had written. Thinking about my original statement it might have something to do with commas. So it is probably my fault. All in all though you really told me there.. !! I dont know how Im going to get over it. Bravo! Now let me get back to making more of that imaginary money using that imaginary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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