Uk Immigration Hits All-time High

[iamnumerate]

I just think that this migration is somewhat inevitable.

Why Japan does not have migration so why do we need to ?

and you can still protect your religious beliefs even if you're the only person in a country holding them - isnt that the nature of faith?

Saudia Arabia ?

I Japan manages to have twice as many people on the same land area as us and manages to feed clothe, nurse everyone and have green space.

And they are very crowded - have you ever been there ? It is a nice place but I wouldn't like London to be like Tokyo apart from the crime levels of course.

But hey, at least there's not as many darkies living there and you can build your own home on a third of an acre for about £75k. Sod off.

The problem is not skin colour it is space. However as English is not your first language you are unable to understand this point.

BTW Sod off is not polite but of course we all make mistakes when learning another language.

Edited October 6, 2006 by iamnumerate

[Cuckoo]

sorry for saying sod off, i apologise.

i haven't been to Tokyo but i have been to NZ. I went thinking it would be a paradise but (though i enjoyed myself) it feels like a hollowed out shell where everyone else has "sodded off" to do something more interesting, mostly live in London or travel the world. I was at a local residents meeting last night and the chief engineer from the council was there, he was a Kiwi.

The reason i highlighted NZ is that its one country people always mention when thinking of leaving the UK. Just wanted to highlight they don't have it sorted there.

Living in this country, "immigrant-ridden" or not, is NOT as bad as people make out. I'm always reminded about this when i come home from my travels all over the world. Just recently i came back from Chile. The richest country and most organised in South America, good infrastructure and beautiful, great wine, blah blah, but not a patch on the UK and God i wouldnt want to be poor there and their general lifestyle is not half as good as what we have. And wow, all those Inca ruins from the 15th century. We have Westminster Abbey and scores of other monuments with at least as much history of our culutre, that were built 500 years previously.

You have far less choice than you think if you are considering moving to places which are "better" than here. I know its sunny outside and the economy isn't collapsing just yet, but do cheer up .

[iamnumerate]

sorry for saying sod off, i apologise.

i haven't been to Tokyo but i have been to NZ. I went thinking it would be a paradise but (though i enjoyed myself) it feels like a hollowed out shell where everyone else has "sodded off" to do something more interesting, mostly live in London or travel the world. I was at a local residents meeting last night and the chief engineer from the council was there, he was a Kiwi.

That is ok

I have been to Tokyo and it is too crowded. I would not live there and if we were that crowded it would far worse than in Japan because a) we have more crime than them their transport system etc works better. Ours can not cope with the current population and I have never heard anyone explain how it will work with more people.

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The reason i highlighted NZ is that its one country people always mention when thinking of leaving the UK. Just wanted to highlight they don't have it sorted there.

I am sure they have problems although I would imagine those come from a feeling of being a bit isolated from the rest of the world.

Living in this country, "immigrant-ridden" or not, is NOT as bad as people make out.

Two points a) I don't have a problem with immigration per se I just don't want a) too many people or undesirables coming here - NO FOREIGN chavs. If the population was increasing because everyone was having 5 babies I would say that is a bad idea.

I like Britain it has many good points apart from the crime, schools etc. However I don't want to live in a country as crowded as Japan and I don't accept that mass immigration is inevitable - other countries control it and so can we.

Edited October 6, 2006 by iamnumerate

[laurejon]

Most developed nations are trying to limit the size of their populations.

China, India are classic examples of what happens when people overpopulate a nation. It cannot be fixed overnight, so desperate are the Chinese they dump their second child out in the gutter to die, vans roam the streets like dustcarts picking up the corpses and disposing of them.

The Chinese Government enforce strict controls over the size of the population.

Look and any uncivilised nation, poverty stricken, and the size of the population is to blame. Too many people chasing too few resources.

New Labour should get out more on their next visit to their comrades in China and see how they treat the working classes.

[i_godzuki]

1. Britain is the only country I'm aware of which has practically an 'open doors' policy for pretty much everyone on the planet who can get here. Most countries limit immigration, some allow little to no immigration at all, and others do not take kindly to immigrants who won't assimilate.

2. Any British person emigrating, at least outside the EU, probably has to spend a year or more jumping through hoops to prove they'll be an asset to the country they're moving to rather than a liability. They also generally can't claim welfare for years after they move. As such, they're rarely a problem in the country they move to.

What puzzles me about BARO's posts is that if he hates British people so much, why does he live here?

1. Not true. Britain does not have an open doors policy. I understand for EU citizens Britain is quite open but not for non=eu.

2. This is not true either. It varies from country to country. Unless you're an asylum seeker, Britain's not the soft touch you want to think it is.

Most developed nations are trying to limit the size of their populations.

What like America you mean? You know, the one that's the driver of the world economy and is about to reach 300 million?

Or France? That's the one that's trying to increase fertility rates by providing incentives...

[laurejon]

1. Not true. Britain does not have an open doors policy. I understand for EU citizens Britain is quite open but not for non=eu.

Thanks for pointing that out, your are absolutely correct.

Britain is very selective as an Island and only has the door open for 10Billion People living in Western, and now Eastern Europe.

Yep, we are fortress Britain

[Cuckoo]

Also, if America had not had an open door policy in the 19th and 20th century it wouldnt be the great nation it is today.

As far as i'm concerned we should emulate this "Ellis Island" spirit - there is such enthusiasm from people to come here. And no its not for benefits. Its because word has got our what a great country we are and there is a real spirit of opporutunity here. I'm not being naive.

our infrastructure should be improved yes but we should embrace this Ellis Island spirit for those who truly want a better life. Its exciting!

[iamnumerate]

Also, if America had not had an open door policy in the 19th and 20th century it wouldnt be the great nation it is today.

As far as i'm concerned we should emulate this "Ellis Island" spirit - there is such enthusiasm from people to come here. And no its not for benefits. Its because word has got our what a great country we are and there is a real spirit of opporutunity here. I'm not being naive.

our infrastructure should be improved yes but we should embrace this Ellis Island spirit for those who truly want a better life. Its exciting!

I am sorry but that is not true some people DO come for benefits. I know people who were told in Colombia by friends "come to Britain and get given a house". Not all immigrants come here for benefits but a minority do and sadly it is a minority that will never leave. Denying this is as blind as denying that some people who follow football are violent.

[i_godzuki]

Thanks for pointing that out, your are absolutely correct.

Britain is very selective as an Island and only has the door open for 10Billion People living in Western, and now Eastern Europe.

Yep, we are fortress Britain

Why do you always lie/overstate the case? Is it because your arguments are poor? The EU has no near 1 billion never mind ten. East European immigration is what? About 600,000- 1million? That's less than 2% of the population.

It gets quite tiresome having to correct your "errors". Anyone would think you were a deluded bigot.

[PropertyGuru]

Why do you always lie/overstate the case? Is it because your arguments are poor? The EU has no near 1 billion never mind ten. East European immigration is what? About 600,000- 1million? That's less than 2% of the population.

It gets quite tiresome having to correct your "errors". Anyone would think you were a deluded bigot.

Laurejon likes sarcasm.

[SarahBell]

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october20...telescreens.htm

How will these loud speakers and CCTV systems work unless the operators speak many languages?

[laurejon]

Britain has opened its borders to the entire EU, soon Romania and Bulgaria

The rest of Europe refuses to do this, the rest of Europe does not allow people from anywhere in the EU to arrive and day 1 collect benefits.

Britain is not the US, in case anyone has not noticed Britian is a small Island off the coast of a huge continent.

We are full up, we are closing our Hospitals, we are having to work longer hours, we are having to work for lower wages, we are having to charge our kids for an education, we are having to save more for our retirement, we have no houses to live in.

Full up, its not rocket Science.

[moneymad]

So because they're against immigrants they're, er, becoming immigrants themselves. Presumably they're all holed up in Spain or Australia moaning about their being "too many foreigners" at home.

More likely to moan about "too many foreigners" where they are! And moaning about no british beer, no british newspapers, no-one speaks english, etc!

[laurejon]

English is the Global Language, its about time the world realised this if it wants to participate in one of the most important economies ever seen by the world since the days of the empire.

Countries need to raise their standards considerably if they are expecting British to come and visit them, they must provide much better services and healthcare else they will be doomed to remain living in the dark ages for eternity.

The expansion of the British Empire into Eastern Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, is going to take a very long time to come to Fruition, however when the task is finished I am sure they will all thank us for showing them how to live decent, honest lives.

[iamnumerate]

So I'm a chav because I'm working class then? Chavs are not working class. Chavs are Dole class. That is not working class.

Quite right Chav does not equal working class or stupid. Chav is someone who does not work and does not want to.

Or would like to but can't get out of bed in the morning.

[Realistbear]

Also, if America had not had an open door policy in the 19th and 20th century it wouldnt be the great nation it is today.

As far as i'm concerned we should emulate this "Ellis Island" spirit - there is such enthusiasm from people to come here. And no its not for benefits. Its because word has got our what a great country we are and there is a real spirit of opporutunity here. I'm not being naive.

our infrastructure should be improved yes but we should embrace this Ellis Island spirit for those who truly want a better life. Its exciting!

That was to get the country going. Remember that before Europe began settling on the continent in the 17th Century the land mass had the lowest density of population in the world other than the artic and antartic circles and the great Tundras of Russia, Asia and OZ.

We now have one fifth of the population of the US and we are smaller than just one of the smaller states in land mass. America could easily accept the entire population of E Europe and would still be uncrowded. So why does the US (and just about every other nation on the planet) have severe immigration restrictions? Infrastructure.

Why does Gordon Brown's Britain have unlimited immigration despite infrastructure problems? His Miracle Economy cannot continue without wage suppression and ever increasing demands placed on an ever diminishing housing stock. When the supply of people and credit stops the economy will literally collapse and it will be a disaster.

[laurejon]

Was it not the case the in the US a lot of blood was let with regard to multi culturalism?.

I dont think the Americans welcomed immigration, it was a byproduct of repeated invasions, and the Brits lost on that score.

[Wuluf]

There is only 2 groups left. Middle class Britain and Eastern Europeans.

Oi..!! How about those from South America?

Where to start??

Australia and NZ are old British Colonies, so visiting them is like visiting part of the Empire.

Emigrate not visit!

Eastern Europe is full of people nobody else wanted, hence the fact they have spent decades courting Communism.

The russians wanted them (and most of western europe as well) post WWII

Even today, Eastern Europe has not learnt its lesson and elects Socialists to run its business.

Like the UK..

Score: 0/3

[laurejon]

Oi..!! How about those from South America?

They dont count, as they will have to go home when the Tories take power.

South America is not part of the EU, and I dont think that Salsa Dancers have been added to the list of Skills in Demand yet.

[Wuluf]

In the next 12 months new Labour would have achieved their goal of being competative with China, both economically and politically.

They dont count, as they will have to go home when the Tories take power.

South America is not part of the EU, and I dont think that Salsa Dancers have been added to the list of Skills in Demand yet.

Brazil 10th largest economy in the World and climbing..

Google "goldman sachs bric"

[Realistbear]

Was it not the case the in the US a lot of blood was let with regard to multi culturalism?.

I dont think the Americans welcomed immigration, it was a byproduct of repeated invasions, and the Brits lost on that score.

I recommend anyone interested to watch the Scorcese film: "Gangs of New York."

Huge and profound insight into why America has always been a violent nation. NY was the "filter" through which immigrants passed. The gangs were mostly Irish who brutalised many new immigrants who, in turn, ganged together to protect themselves. The Italians came peacably but when they had had enough their formed protection groups which evolved into the Cosa Nostra or "Our thing."

The indigenous "immigrants" did hate the newbies and sold them off for commissions to fight in the Civil War.

"Bowling for Columbine" also offers some interesting insights into the violent culture. It all began with the Brits of course and our decision to massacre the Injuns in the New England region. We simply exported our violence to America where, in an unrestrained environment, it became fully vented.

[Wuluf]

No, they are leaving the Country because there are too many self serving dont give a crap people like yourself having too much to say about the British and how we run our country.

Its comes as no suprise that you wish to promote immigration, however the British Public who did not vote for it no longer wish to finance it. Its a failed project, its causing high areas of crime, its costing the Taxpayer the NHS, and its costing hard working families their pension in the future, and the opportunity to provide a safe and comfortable home owned by themselves within whitch to bring up their children.

I think the UK has achieved a net +ve balance from interaction with individuals of other countries

The problem is that the current interaction is slowly shifting towards a smaller net loss for others - to the detriment of UK citizens..

In any case the british public are tw*ts for supporting a 1st past the post 2 party system anyway.

The US has national pride, and protects both its borders, its business, and its economy.

I think you will find that's not true

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=de&s...der&spell=1

http://edition1.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/1...tion/index.html

...every other single place in the world.

Are you really that ******???

You know that at least 2 other european countries have given the new EU entrants the same rights as the UK and yet you somehow conclude the above. A single inference is required to see the flaw.

[CrashDive]

That was to get the country going. Remember that before Europe began settling on the continent in the 17th Century the land mass had the lowest density of population in the world other than the artic and antartic circles and the great Tundras of Russia, Asia and OZ.

We now have one fifth of the population of the US and we are smaller than just one of the smaller states in land mass. America could easily accept the entire population of E Europe and would still be uncrowded. So why does the US (and just about every other nation on the planet) have severe immigration restrictions? Infrastructure.

Why does Gordon Brown's Britain have unlimited immigration despite infrastructure problems? His Miracle Economy cannot continue without wage suppression and ever increasing demands placed on an ever diminishing housing stock. When the supply of people and credit stops the economy will literally collapse and it will be a disaster.

Yep...

[Wuluf]

Yes there is, I like to chose my friends, not have them pushed on me by a Government that has no concern other than to deflate my wages so I cannot afford to feed my family.

Thats because the days when people of lesser ability could claim preferential treatment based on nationhood are behind us.

Welcome to the real world!

I also object to Immigration on the grounds that as they like to be amongst their own, I too wish to live with my own type.

They who? What all of them?

Like them, I too reject the idea of mixing religions, and Cultures. I too want to protect my Culture, and my Religion.

Your "culture" has changed throughout history.

Most religions are related/offshoots of others..

Maybe some people adopt a "hybrid culture" which in turn could/should be viewed as a culture in its own right.

As for you being religious. I dont recall any figureheads in any iof the major religions expressing views like yours.

Was it not the case the in the US a lot of blood was let with regard to multi culturalism?.

I dont think the Americans welcomed immigration, it was a byproduct of repeated invasions, and the Brits lost on that score.

What do you think this meant LJ... "Plymouth Rock landed on us."

Have a look at this..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_t...e_United_States

Why do you think that the government that can't make public transport, NHS, law and order work for 60 million will be able to get it to work for another 5 million. As for high rise blocks of flats - are you mad ? The current ones are awful why do you want more. If you want to live in Hong Kong - go there.

No the UK for historical and cultural reasons will for the foreseable future underperform our European neighbours when it comes to basic infrastructure and services.

Britain has opened its borders to the entire EU, soon Romania and Bulgaria

The rest of Europe refuses to do this, the rest of Europe does not allow people from anywhere in the EU to arrive and day 1 collect benefits.

Britain is not the US, in case anyone has not noticed Britian is a small Island off the coast of a huge continent.

We are full up, we are closing our Hospitals, we are having to work longer hours, we are having to work for lower wages, we are having to charge our kids for an education, we are having to save more for our retirement, we have no houses to live in.

Full up, its not rocket Science.

And you still cant understand it

English is the Global Language, its about time the world realised this if it wants to participate in one of the most important economies ever seen by the world since the days of the empire.

Countries need to raise their standards considerably if they are expecting British to come and visit them, they must provide much better services and healthcare else they will be doomed to remain living in the dark ages for eternity.

The expansion of the British Empire into Eastern Europe, Africa, and the Middle East, is going to take a very long time to come to Fruition, however when the task is finished I am sure they will all thank us for showing them how to live decent, honest lives.

What?

The UK is a middle-sized economy.. Get real!

The drivers of the world economy are the USA, China, Japan and Germany (EU) - soon to be joined by India

And doesnt the decency and honesty somewhat conflict with the "backbone demonstrated during the days of empire"

[urban_hymn]

Yes you do, because they're displacing British workers onto the dole. You also have to pay higher taxes to pay for more infrastructure to handle the higher population.

This is only partially true. We are enjoying? a credit fuelled boom at the moment and we are temporarily short handed. Hence the influx of cheap labour from more backward nations.

Like woodpigeons descending on a field of peas they will depart when there is nothing left for them (I hope).

The Albanian credit card scammers/identity thieves will probably stay along with the angry but consumately skilled workers of the benefit system aka moslems.