eric pebble Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) The bulls are still ramping it all up. and yes, much of all this ramping over the last 7+ years has been massively orchestrated between the numerous [shady, in the background...] Property "developers", "investors", etc. in concert with moneylenders and all particularly using PR agencies - the experts at manipulating Press & media reports and tv Programmes, "news items" etc etc. - all to one focus & message - "Property is failsafe" etc. etc. always remember - most of what you read in the media and hear/see too -it is put there by PR agencies: this is their job, this is why they make so much money!!!! As I've said on HPC before, a friend of mine (I keep giving him huge grief) is in junior partnership with a guy who has been in the Property "game" for 40 years - and I have been watching them play for the past 5-7 years; they have been going right across the UK buying up all sorts of Properties - all over the UK - renting them out, doing them up, etc etc. - and over the last 18 months they have sold all of them off!! The senior guy says he has "seen it and done it all before" - and he knew exactly what he was doing - and he has made millions and millions - he is a total expert - he saw the fall coming over 18 months ago, and started off-loading as of then. Also, he and other partners in this Property "game" have been spending very big amounts on "publicity" & PR - via many PR agencies - placing vast numbers of articles, items, tv clips, and even backing at least 2 of the tv Property Programmes (on the quiet, behind various guises, via "associates"), feeding the entire media machine in all sorts of ways, many quite subtlety, talking/ramping the whole housing market up and up. Of course those who are half switched on could not have failed to notice the incredible saturation of media hype on the Property scene. Well guys & girls!!! - it is almost entirely rigged - the whole thing has been orchestrated by the vested interests - and, yes, you can't deny it - they've achieved their aims; they've "done well" - many of them - even the thickos like Crusty-all-Crap & Beeny types -- they have all made huge amounts of dosh on the back of this... and it is not a coincidence that large portions of the media - particularly the "reporting"/news media have not talked Property down -look at the bbc website everyday!! - it still reports the Wriggelsworth/Halifax cr*p/lies as "news"!!! - Why??? Because PRoducers and editors etc - they all have fingers in all sorts of pies!!!! You may not believe this - but it is the case. Also, as I've said many times here, very large numbers of MP's - including many "NU Labourites" - have been using their generous salaries and allowances to buy into the scam too -large numbers if they own several Properties, particularly in London & area - this is a story that I urge any aspiring investigative journalist out there to pursue.... So - the real professionals out there have known all along that this is just a game!!! - and have understood that it is, in effect, a Massive Pyramid Selling Game/Scam 'the Biggest Scam in all history - i.e. get in at the bottom - and sell out at the top - timing is crucial.... There is, however, a way the poor FTB's can start to fight back; the poor FTB's who have been utterly exploited and used by, in particular, their "friendly" banks and mortgage Providers ' the MONEYLENDERS - to feed this whole scam - by being led into the "dream" [etc.], like lambs to the slaughter - many of them persuaded to buy into the "market" at rip-off PRices and feeding the "system" - acting effectively as the fall guys feeding hard earned money at vastly hyped up PRices - feeding the rivulets and small streams - into the water supply further down - into streams, small rivers, large rivers, deltas, lakes, etc. etc. gorges, huge oceans etc etc. - which is where the ultimate winners in this "game" clean up at - here is where the players of the game clean up - take the money and run. FTB's can fight back: they need to understand what has been going on - it isn't rocket science anyway!!!! - they simply all need to tell each other what is going on -- from college/university/job starter [etc.] levels upwards -- and all realize - they have immense power: they are the rainfall and droplets which form the small rivulets!!! These create the Rivers of Money that feed the whole SCAM - The whole system depends on them!!! And -- well, it's so, so simple!!! 'What should FTB's do? - DO NOT BUY INTO THIS SCAM AT ALL: KEEP OUT: BRING IT ALL DOWN.. Just say: "I/We will only buy at the same Price as you did mate - so, if you slash 60% off that Price - to near what you paid - then- and only then - I/we will think about buying that Property!!!! Why should we pay "£180k" when you bought it 5 years ago for £70k??!!!!!!! No!! - We might pay £75k - but that's it !!!!! That's all we are offering - because that is all we can afford - just like it was for you!! After all, Gordon brown loves to boast how inflation has been a negligible "1-2%"!!! [WHAT A JOKE!!] - Well - that means we may pay a few hundred more that you paid 4 years ago!!! That is all it is worth!!!! All FTB's out there - get out there and spread the word: you have the power. Use it. Fight back. It is actually quite simple - beat them down - make 'em cry. All FTB's just need to tell their mates/college friends etc. - look at HPC - all get together via text/email/the web etc. - and simply look at what has been going on!!!! It is a pyramid selling scam!!! The biggest ever!!! -- do not allow yourself to be lead like lambs to the slaughter!! Just say no!!! We will not be ripped off! Edited October 7, 2005 by eric pebble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm forever knowing bubbles Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Go Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted October 12, 2005 Author Share Posted October 12, 2005 (edited) lol, ok don't buy then. Someone else will just buy instead of you ... maybe a would be landlord who would happily rent the place back to you? Sorry just being cheeky. No -- an important point: This idea that we'll end up with "haves and have nots" /a Rentier Society - is nonsense: The problem with this is: With prices so high, the only option for now is to rent -- In the meantime - the stupid absurd prices we see today will not hold. For "Prices" to remain "high" -- there needs to be a constant and high volume of sales -- so that House X is able to be Sold for £300k or whatever. Ther are quite a few articles/opinions that matters will end with Property Owners and Non-Property Owners - and just stay like this. NO! If Property X cannot be sold in reasonable time to raise £300k - then it NOT worth "£300k" -- because no one is willing to pay £300k for it!! --- So -- Everything is pointing to one Conclusion: Prices are going to keep creeping downwards for a great deal of time until sufficient volumes pick up again - and prices asked are prices paid. .... Of course - the VI's will ramp it all up again - telling us day in day out in the media -"Things are ok/normal again - lots of activity" etc. etc. This is JUST what they'll want the average punter to think is the case.... It is VITAL that people don't fall for that -- as matters stand now - there are Hundreds and Hundreds of Thousands of properties sitting unsold - because they are totally over-priced. All you FTB's out there - DO NOT be panicked into buying!!!! Just stick to your guns -- OFFER 40% of asking price - and STICK TO THIS!!!! Edited October 13, 2005 by eric pebble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy-g Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Gotta love that lone(ish) voice in the wilderness, boy, I bet you miss the X files on TV! You go Eric As for the whole "orchestrated by vested interests, its rigged, its rigged!!!!" thing, lol, just because your paranoid, doesn't mean there not out to get you, eh mate?! Loving this, go on fella!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtoparents Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 Think we are heading for a society of have and have-nots. "Have debt and have not debt". "Have job and have not job" - linked to "have mobility and have not mobility". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwickshire Lad Posted October 12, 2005 Share Posted October 12, 2005 FTB's can fight back: they need to understand what has been going on - it isn't rocket science anyway!!!! - they simply all need to tell each other what is going on -- from college/university/job starter [etc.] levels upwards -- and all realize - they have immense power: they are the rainfall and droplets which form the small rivulets!!! These create the Rivers of Money that feed the whole SCAM - The whole system depends on them!!! And -- well, it's so, so simple!!! 'What should FTB's do? - DO NOT BUY INTO THIS SCAM AT ALL: KEEP OUT: BRING IT ALL DOWN.. Eric, I always enjoy reading your posts. In particular sticking up for the FTB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric pebble Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 Eric, I always enjoy reading your posts. In particular sticking up for the FTB. Look guys!!!! The whole Pyramid Selling Scam keeps going so long as there are the suckers at the bottom rung who agree to pay the STUPID and unaffordable prices: If they just said "NO, sod off" - the WHOLE scam would come crashing down in a few months! SO - it is SO SO simple: FTB's; either pay ONLY 40% of the askiing price at todays silly prices, orr else, just stay out at whatever cost - becasue if you buy into this scam YOU WILL OVERPAY for it for the rest of the life....... and LOOSE big time ...... You will have to wait years and years for wages to catch up with prices - and thus be in negative equity - which is where MANY many people - who bought in the last few years - are now. No matter what you read - prices have already sunk in most places by at least 20-25%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Think we are heading for a society of have and have-nots. "Have debt and have not debt". "Have job and have not job" - linked to "have mobility and have not mobility". Dear btp, I have to say, your avatar is absolutely mesmerising. Sh1t, apparently this means I fancy Charlotte Church. Is this normal? She is actually sexy isn't she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munimula Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Look guys!!!! The whole Pyramid Selling Scam keeps going so long as there are the suckers at the bottom rung who agree to pay the STUPID and unaffordable prices: Absolutely, if you buy into the market by taking on massive amounts of debt all you are doing is lining the pockets of those on the ladder above you. At the top is someone selling a house for £500K+ with no mortgage. You're borrowed money is going up the ladder and into their pocket. You'll be stuck in a 1-bed flat in NE for the next 10 years while they've retired to spain to live on the money that you borrowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdabuilder Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Absolutely, if you buy into the market by taking on massive amounts of debt all you are doing is lining the pockets of those on the ladder above you. At the top is someone selling a house for £500K+ with no mortgage. You're borrowed money is going up the ladder and into their pocket. You'll be stuck in a 1-bed flat in NE for the next 10 years while they've retired to spain to live on the money that you borrowed. Eric, do you seriously expect us to believe your friend has SO much money invested in property that he needs to go to such expensive lengths to maintain a bubble until he gets out? Even if he had millions, he wouldn't be able to do that. And where's the evidence that him and other big investors are in collusion to finance this PR blitz. To do this you would need BILLIONS in property. Or why bother? You spoil your argument with such exaggerated nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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