Notorious Teacher Galllery

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

It strikes me in their eagerness to believe that there are girls around 100% willing to desport themselves thus, that posters were skimming over the points I made about the social pressure and domination, and waded into me for resticting all these willing lasses from offering themselves to be used in this way?

Yes there is a yawning generation gap, twixt even my daughters/nieces time - born in the 1960s. Few self-respecting females would have taken part in this sort of carry-on, but hey! that is the match of progress, brought to us courtesy of the rap culture.

S'funny that a cult which seems to bang on about "respect", sing about their evident lack of it for the opposite sex.

These days if girls want to be treated like whores, they'll find many more than willing to oblige, or so it seems from reading this thread.

[Guest Noodle]

It strikes me in their eagerness to believe that there are girls around 100% willing to desport themselves thus, that posters were skimming over the points I made about the social pressure and domination, and waded into me for resticting all these willing lasses from offering themselves to be used in this way?

Yes there is a yawning generation gap, twixt even my daughters/nieces time - born in the 1960s. Few self-respecting females would have taken part in this sort of carry-on, but hey! that is the match of progress, brought to us courtesy of the rap culture.

S'funny that a cult which seems to bang on about "respect", sing about their evident lack of it for the opposite sex.

These days if girls want to be treated like whores, they'll find many more than willing to oblige, or so it seems from reading this thread.

I gathered they were pointing out the, I hope rare (I actually had no idea it was this bad), horrors of particular modern day sub-cultures, not endorsing this tyrannical behavior.

By the way Auntie, my quip about 'what Grandma got up to in the war' was a reference to the generation you would have been serving in the pub working as a barmaid, the generation before yours.

Try and relax a bit and get back to how you used to discuss difficult subjects and provide a professional viewpoint, which as you know many people appreciate.

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

Why were you going off on one?

Isn't it obvious? My defence and approbation of the practice of girls being talked into this sort of activity, was met with anger - at me - and levity.

Noodle when your child if - you have a daughter - becomes of an age where men will try to get her to do things she has not yet decided for herself that she wants to do, maybe the light will dawn.

When you have encountered rape victims and seen rapists get off by making such points as have been made here "They like it" " she was 'up for it'".

When it happens to any man's daughter - who posts on here - I hope he remembers what he said on here.

If anyone tried in on my grand daughters, I'd be making a few calls

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

I gathered they were pointing out the, I hope rare (I actually had no idea it was this bad), horrors of particular modern day sub-cultures, not endorsing this tyrannical behavior.

By the way Auntie, my quip about 'what Grandma got up to in the war' was a reference to the generation you would have been serving in the pub working as a barmaid, the generation before yours.

Try and relax a bit and get back to how you used to discuss difficult subjects and provide a professional viewpoint, which as you know many people appreciate.

I'd settle for an answer to my question #12 - relating to the vagaries of assigning sex offender status on others.

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AJ - I am sorry to break this to you but many birds ENJOY being treated like whores. Many positively love it.

The question is whether this is a modern thing or not ? I doubt very much it is. Many think it derives from the old caveman stuff. Not sure myself but there could be something in it. Birds like a strong bloke. Now of course that can go too far sometimes. But it is certanly true. Blokes who are pushy and arrogant and a little rough with women always do very well with women. And I imagine they always have.

You read any women magazine about fantasies. Rape fantasies are ALWAYS right up there. Group sex is ALWAYS right up there. Are these women all just making it up to fit in with what happens these days ? Or do they actually enjoy the thought of these things just because they do ?

Now you are a female and I am a male. However I assume, unless you have something to tell us, that your experience of women in a sexual manners is not huge ? yes you may have talked to a lot of women about this stuff. However I can assure you that women keep things to themselves from EVERYONE. Even their best friends. Although again as you are a female I am sure you already know this.

In conclusion. I don't think you appreciate the possibility that maybe, just maybe, a lot of women are into seriously filthy stuff today and always have been. And that the idea of being spit roasted or whatever it actually something a lot of woman would want to do - Nothing to do with the culture or anything.

Maybe I am wrong. However I don't think so. The combined experiences of myself and people I know paint a very clear picture. Most women, but not all, are into some pretty seriously filthy stuff. Most really enjoy it. I don't think the fact that some 17 year old Gangsta rappers sing about it means much to these birds either.

[Guest Noodle]

Isn't it obvious? My defence and approbation of the practice of girls being talked into this sort of activity, was met with anger - at me - and levity.

Noodle when your child if - you have a daughter - becomes of an age where men will try to get her to do things she has not yet decided for herself that she wants to do, maybe the light will dawn.

When you have encountered rape victims and seen rapists get off by making such points as have been made here "They like it" " she was 'up for it'".

When it happens to any man's daughter - who posts on here - I hope he remembers what he said on here.

If anyone tried in on my grand daughters, I'd be making a few calls

Ummmm . . . the light doesn't need to dawn with me, I do know what is right and wrong. Yes I do find it abhorrent that this sort of thing is considered normal within particular sub-cultures within British society, any actually.

I just don't believe any of these posters actually endorse this. Well I hope not.

[Guest Noodle]

I'd settle for an answer to my question #12 - relating to the vagaries of assigning sex offender status on others.

Yes I looked at those cases and some were plain ridiculous. I note that once released from her 7 year prison sentence the teacher and her former pupil with whom she had a child . . . got married.

[Guest Noodle]

Maybe I am wrong.

Yup.

You don't actually believe what you have written there do you?

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

AJ - I am sorry to break this to you but many birds ENJOY being treated like whores. Many positively love it.

The question is whether this is a modern thing or not ? I doubt very much it is. Many think it derives from the old caveman stuff. Not sure myself but there could be something in it. Birds like a strong bloke. Now of course that can go too far sometimes. But it is certanly true. Blokes who are pushy and arrogant and a little rough with women always do very well with women. And I imagine they always have.

You read any women magazine about fantasies. Rape fantasies are ALWAYS right up there. Group sex is ALWAYS right up there. Are these women all just making it up to fit in with what happens these days ? Or do they actually enjoy the thought of these things just because they do ?

Now you are a female and I am a male. However I assume, unless you have something to tell us, that your experience of women in a sexual manners is not huge ? yes you may have talked to a lot of women about this stuff. However I can assure you that women keep things to themselves from EVERYONE. Even their best friends. Although again as you are a female I am sure you already know this.

In conclusion. I don't think you appreciate the possibility that maybe, just maybe, a lot of women are into seriously filthy stuff today and always have been. And that the idea of being spit roasted or whatever it actually something a lot of woman would want to do - Nothing to do with the culture or anything.

The why did SF couch it in the terms he did? That MY BF and his mates would have their way with me, or at least try to talk me into it? His take on it would appear to be different to yours - ie that persuasion/coercion may well be involved.

Maybe I am wrong. However I don't think so. The combined experiences of myself and people I know paint a very clear picture. Most women, but not all, are into some pretty seriously filthy stuff. Most really enjoy it. I don't think the fact that some 17 year old Gangsta rappers sing about it means much to these birds either.

Youb are making sweeping generalisations I suspect. How many women have you ACTUALLY known - not talking about blogs or websites or owt like that - which may well have been written by men.

Treated like whores by a group of men? Or are you talking about one man in an intimate setting? Numerous women - of varying ages - I have known fall into the latter category, I know of NONE who were up for the activity. all this ruck was about.

Mind you I Don't know your age group or what kind of females you mix with.

I also hate to break this to you, but anatomically the female would gain very little from this activity, as regards orgasm. If you were better acquainted with feminine anatomy, you'd realise why.

So my point is why would any SELF-RESPECTING female agree to forego her own pleasrue just to pleasure TWO guys?

answers on a postcard.

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

So you can see no way that a woman might actually enjoy it?

I am not sure what you mean. Would you like to explain how this might happen?

I am also interested in hearing from men about how they enjoy servicing ONE women -simultaneously. That no one has yet raised this possibility - and how great it is to be "filthy" with just one gal - speaks volumes as regards which sex assumes the upper hand/the greater needs, in sexual activity.

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

AJ - I am sorry to break this to you but many birds ENJOY being treated like whores. Many positively love it.

The question is whether this is a modern thing or not ? I doubt very much it is. Many think it derives from the old caveman stuff. Not sure myself but there could be something in it. Birds like a strong bloke. Now of course that can go too far sometimes. But it is certanly true. Blokes who are pushy and arrogant and a little rough with women always do very well with women. And I imagine they always have.

You read any women magazine about fantasies. Rape fantasies are ALWAYS right up there. Group sex is ALWAYS right up there. Are these women all just making it up to fit in with what happens these days ? Or do they actually enjoy the thought of these things just because they do ?

Now you are a female and I am a male. However I assume, unless you have something to tell us, that your experience of women in a sexual manners is not huge ? yes you may have talked to a lot of women about this stuff. However I can assure you that women keep things to themselves from EVERYONE. Even their best friends. Although again as you are a female I am sure you already know this.

In conclusion. I don't think you appreciate the possibility that maybe, just maybe, a lot of women are into seriously filthy stuff today and always have been. And that the idea of being spit roasted or whatever it actually something a lot of woman would want to do - Nothing to do with the culture or anything.

Maybe I am wrong. However I don't think so. The combined experiences of myself and people I know paint a very clear picture. Most women, but not all, are into some pretty seriously filthy stuff. Most really enjoy it. I don't think the fact that some 17 year old Gangsta rappers sing about it means much to these birds either.

You have no idea.Just HOW do you know what women tell each other, huh? Believe what they tell us, do we?

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Yup.

You don't actually believe what you have written there do you?

What do you mean believe ? I have much experience of it, and so do many people that I know. It's not some made up fantasy. Just have a google on womens fantasies, with large numbers of results, and see what turns up.

The why did SF couch it in the terms he did? That MY BF and his mates would have their way with me, or at least try to talk me into it? His take on it would appear to be different to yours - ie that persuasion/coercion may well be involved.

Youb are making sweeping generalisations I suspect. How many women have you ACTUALLY known - not talking about blogs or websites or owt like that - which may well have been written by men.

Treated like whores by a group of men? Or are you talking about one man in an intimate setting? Numerous women - of varying ages - I have known fall into the latter category, I know of NONE who were up for the activity. all this ruck was about.

Mind you I Don't know your age group or what kind of females you mix with.

I also hate to break this to you, but anatomically the female would gain very little from this activity, as regards orgasm. If you were better acquainted with feminine anatomy, you'd realise why.

So my point is why would any SELF-RESPECTING female agree to forego her own pleasrue just to pleasure TWO guys?

answers on a postcard.

I am not certain what SF was saying or what they meant. I can only speak for myself. What has this go to do with self respecting ?! I really don't get it. People have sex because they enjoy it. Some people enjoy different things. Some people enjoy giving all the pleasure and receiving very little in return. This is no great secret. I am honestly quite surprised that you have led such a sheltered life. Nothing wrong with that though. Don't take it as an insult.

I don't see why this is all pointing at the man from your point of view ? You have brought up rape, forced, co-ersion and numerous other things. Do you not appreciate you may not know the whole story ?

You do accept myself and my pals have had mre experience of women's sexual activities than yourself ? So therefore I assume you would listen to what I would have to say on the matter ?

So you can see no way that a woman might actually enjoy it?

I just don't think she wants to accept that possibility !!

You have no idea.Just HOW do you know what women tell each other, huh? Believe what they tell us, do we?

I am not saying I know what women tell each other. I am just saying I know what a lot of women DO NOT say to each other.

Like when they get up to certain stuff with certain blokes and specifically tell you not to mention it in front of their friends. As they have not told their friends about it.

Yes I know birds talk to each other about a lot of things. However they do keep a lot secret from each other. Again - It hought you would be aware of this !!

[Guest Noodle]

What do you mean believe ? I have much experience of it, and so do many people that I know. It's not some made up fantasy. Just have a google on womens fantasies, with large numbers of results, and see what turns up.

Google?

There is a vast difference between womens fantasies and actually being treated like a prostitute. Do you personally know any women that work as prostitutes and talk to them about the horrors they go through?

I reckon you'd find it quite disturbing.

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

What do you mean believe ? I have much experience of it, and so do many people that I know. It's not some made up fantasy. Just have a google on womens fantasies, with large numbers of results, and see what turns up.

I am not certain what SF was saying or what they meant. I can only speak for myself. What has this go to do with self respecting ?! I really don't get it. People have sex because they enjoy it. Some people enjoy different things. Some people enjoy giving all the pleasure and receiving very little in return. This is no great secret. I am honestly quite surprised that you have led such a sheltered life. Nothing wrong with that though. Don't take it as an insult.

I don't see why this is all pointing at the man from your point of view ? You have brought up rape, forced, co-ersion and numerous other things. Do you not appreciate you may not know the whole story ?

You do accept myself and my pals have had mre experience of women's sexual activities than yourself ? So therefore I assume you would listen to what I would have to say on the matter ?

I just don't think she wants to accept that possibility !!

I am not saying I know what women tell each other. I am just saying I know what a lot of women DO NOT say to each other.

Like when they get up to certain stuff with certain blokes and specifically tell you not to mention it in front of their friends. As they have not told their friends about it.

Yes I know birds talk to each other about a lot of things. However they do keep a lot secret from each other. Again - It hought you would be aware of this !!

I am quite sure that many women will do many things that I personally would not do.I am also just as sure that women over the ages have been reared to be the 'receptacle" ....on the receiving end of men's whims and it isn't quite eradicated yet. We still do NOT have equality with men, which is an unequal state of affairs.

. I like even less that men tell themselves it is OK to expect others to forego pleasure to service someone else. That puts one in the position of servant/ submissive to the other. If - say - a couple take it in turns to please the other - that's fine. that is unselfish. To expect someone to service YOU - and give nought back - and feed that belief of theirs that it is expected of them - is pretty rotten.

A good number of men don't know HOW to satisfy a woman . They brag about big d*cks - would that their brains were as big as their imagined members! and seem unaware - or indifferent - that their partner in sex has not had an orgasm. This is the subject of numerous books and programme - NOW . It is also frequently raised between girlfriends and in therapy sessions. Try reading one of those books and looking at porn less - which is self-indulgent in that it caters for fantasy - not reality.

I do not judge by my personal knowledge alone - as you do - I have known not only my own and friends opinions/ feelings on this but also the amassed literature on human motivations ans behaviour including aspect of sex - sorry to bring this up but it IS what I am versed in...what is your job, BTW?

The idea that women just love to give sexual pleasure to men and want none in return is a fallacy... no prizes for guessing who started that rumour.

Young,low-esteem females - with whom my colleagues and I dealt - were only too ready to go along with what men asked. They found their worth thatway. I'd like to break that tendency as it smacks of servitude and a lot of female researchers in my field feel the same way.

[Guest Noodle]

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A good number of men don't know HOW to satisfy a woman.

That's actually quite easy.

Toilet seat down. Aim pee straight. Keep kitchen clean. Take bins out. No smoking in front of the children. Mow grass every other Saturday.

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Google?

There is a vast difference between womens fantasies and actually being treated like a prostitute. Do you personally know any women that work as prostitutes and talk to them about the horrors they go through?

I reckon you'd find it quite disturbing.

The important word has been bolded above. Same as the rape fantasy. They don't actually want raped, however they like the idea of it for some reason. Don't ask me why - I am not a bird !!

All about control I imagine. Lots of women like the control taken away from them during sex. In every day life it is quite different of course.

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I am quite sure that many women will do many things that I personally would not do.I am also just as sure that women over the ages have been reared to be the 'receptacle" ....on the receiving end of men's whims and it isn't quite eradicated yet. We still do NOT have equality with men, which is an unequal state of affairs.

. I like even less that men tell themselves it is OK to expect others to forego pleasure to service someone else. That puts one in the position of servant/ submissive to the other. If - say - a couple take it in turns to please the other - that's fine. that is unselfish. To expect someone to service YOU - and give nought back - and feed that belief of theirs that it is expected of them - is pretty rotten.

A good number of men don't know HOW to satisfy a woman . They brag about big d*cks - would that their brains were as big as their imagined members! and seem unaware - or indifferent - that their partner in sex has not had an orgasm. This is the subject of numerous books and programme - NOW . It is also frequently raised between girlfriends and in therapy sessions. Try reading one of those books and looking at porn less - which is self-indulgent in that it caters for fantasy - not reality.

I do not judge by my personal knowledge alone - as you do - I have known not only my own and friends opinions/ feelings on this but also the amassed literature on human motivations ans behaviour including aspect of sex - sorry to bring this up but it IS what I am versed in...what is your job, BTW?

The idea that women just love to give sexual pleasure to men and want none in return is a fallacy... no prizes for guessing who started that rumour.

Young,low-esteem females - with whom my colleagues and I dealt - were only too ready to go along with what men asked. They found their worth thatway. I'd like to break that tendency as it smacks of servitude and a lot of female researchers in my field feel the same way.

I see where you are going with this. Women are treated like servants because they have learned that this is what is expected of them. The evil nasty man has produced this situation by co-ercing them to go along with these sordid things.

Jeez,

Will you just listen to this for one second - MANY BIRDS LOVE IT !!

Do you understand this ? Not a couple, not one in a blue moon, LOADS. And we are not talking about some gang bang where 300 blokes do one bird either. We are talking about the aforementioned 'spit roast'.

One bird, two blokes. Big fantasy for both men and women. One bloke, two birds. Big fantasy for both men and women.

You never heard of strap ons ? You never heard of birds tying up blokes and them loving it ? You never heard of blokes enjoying getting slapped around by their birds and being treated like a slave ?

Are you telling us these blokes are all being used and are poor wee souls and this is all down to sexism and inequality ?!

No - they JUST ENJOY IT !!

I think you are thinking about this all too much. Overcomplicating matters. When it comes to this subject anyway.

Anf if you think you can tell me you know more about this, because you have studied it and are versed in it ? You can have that opinion, however I class real life experience ahead of theory.

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The idea that women just love to give sexual pleasure to men and want none in return is a fallacy... no prizes for guessing who started that rumour.

Can you please let us know where you go this idea from ? I didn't say anything like it. And neither did anyone else unless I have missed it. I said some people enjoy giving much and getting little in return.

You know - like someone who works in a charity shop ? They do something because they want to. They don't expect much in return. Why is it a great surprise that when it comes to sex there are quite a few females out there who have similar thoughts ? Why is this a shock ?! We are all different afterall.

I personally know a few birds like the above. Lucky me.

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

The important word has been bolded above. Same as the rape fantasy. They don't actually want raped, however they like the idea of it for some reason. Don't ask me why - I am not a bird !!

All about control I imagine. Lots of women like the control taken away from them during sex. In every day life it is quite different of course.

I see where you are going with this. Women are treated like servants because they have learned that this is what is expected of them. The evil nasty man has produced this situation by co-ercing them to go along with these sordid things.

Jeez,

Will you just listen to this for one second - MANY BIRDS LOVE IT !!

Do you understand this ? Not a couple, not one in a blue moon, LOADS. And we are not talking about some gang bang where 300 blokes do one bird either. We are talking about the aforementioned 'spit roast'.

One bird, two blokes. Big fantasy for both men and women. One bloke, two birds. Big fantasy for both men and women.

You never heard of strap ons ? You never heard of birds tying up blokes and them loving it ? You never heard of blokes enjoying getting slapped around by their birds and being treated like a slave ?

Are you telling us these blokes are all being used and are poor wee souls and this is all down to sexism and inequality ?!

No - they JUST ENJOY IT !!

I think you are thinking about this all too much. Overcomplicating matters. When it comes to this subject anyway.

Anf if you think you can tell me you know more about this, because you have studied it and are versed in it ? You can have that opinion, however I class real life experience ahead of theory.

How long has you been having this experience then?

You have NO idea what my life experience is, you assume that everyone above a certain age is a prude in bedroom affairs.

Well when you get older, you'll - hopefully- be a bit wiser.

[AteMoose]

One thing I will add... the 60s, swinging parties, sexual open mindedness... But that all stopped when HIV came to the forefront. IMHO it was ever thus, some people are more sexual, others less so.

As a general rule of thumb testosterone creates more hornier people, which is why men tend to have a bigger obsession. However I have hooked up with some pretty freaky women when I was younger. If you want a gangbang go for it, if you dont dont, but dont judge others.

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How long has you been having this experience then?

You have NO idea what my life experience is, you assume that everyone above a certain age is a prude in bedroom affairs.

Well when you get older, you'll - hopefully- be a bit wiser.

Quite the opposite actually. That is my whole point. That is what I have been saying. Have a read back on some of my comments.

The fact I have been saying I reckon all this stuff has gone on forever ? May indicate that I have no such beliefs that those above a certain age are 'prudes' in the bedroom....

In fact of the filthiest ladies I have ever encountered was 58.

[swissy_fit]

Just to clarify my POV.

I was referring to inexperienced young teenage girls with poor self-esteem feeling that they had to do these things in order to "get" the young man they want. This is definitely an issue in Geneva at least (not helped by the fact that the black/Latino young men are the most popular, the young girlies here don't like white Europeans as much (but they marry them eventually )).

Older more experienced women may well enjoy all sorts of things as ccc says, that has been my experience as well. That's fine, their sexuality and minds are fully-developed and they can do what they like, but I consider it unfortunate that young girls might feel pressured into behaving this way before they know what they're doing. And no, I don't accept that some 15 year olds know what they're doing. They think they know, but that's not the same thing.

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

Can you please let us know where you go this idea from ? I didn't say anything like it. And neither did anyone else unless I have missed it. I said some people enjoy giving much and getting little in return.

You know - like someone who works in a charity shop ? They do something because they want to. They don't expect much in return. Why is it a great surprise that when it comes to sex there are quite a few females out there who have similar thoughts ? Why is this a shock ?! We are all different afterall.

I personally know a few birds like the above. Lucky me.

Altruism in females about sex? Do YOU have altruistic tendencies, or are you only on the receiving end?

Terrible analogies BTW.

Sex - like eating for eg. - is a basic human drive/ motivation.

Tell me tales of how some diet whilst others gorge themselves on food at their expense, and I might find you credible.

Voluntary work - last I heard - was not a prime human motivator.

Just WTF DO you do for a living?

[Guest Absolutely Fabulous]

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Just to clarify my POV.

I was referring to inexperienced young teenage girls with poor self-esteem feeling that they had to do these things in order to "get" the young man they want. This is definitely an issue in Geneva at least (not helped by the fact that the black/Latino young men are the most popular, the young girlies here don't like white Europeans as much (but they marry them eventually )).

Older more experienced women may well enjoy all sorts of things as ccc says, that has been my experience as well. That's fine, their sexuality and minds are fully-developed and they can do what they like, but I consider it unfortunate that young girls might feel pressured into behaving this way before they know what they're doing. And no, I don't accept that some 15 year olds know what they're doing. They think they know, but that's not the same thing.

Yep would agree with that. I just took up on a few people who think this sort of thing is some sort of rarity in society as a whole. It is not. It is commonplace and as long as people are old enough and want to do it ? No harm in it IMO. I certainly don't think it should be mentioned in the same context as rape or forcing or co-ersion or anything else.

Altruism in females about sex? Do YOU have altruistic tendencies, or are you only on the receiving end?

Terrible analogies BTW.

Sex - like eating for eg. - is a basic human drive/ motivation.

Tell me tales of how some diet whilst others gorge themselves on food at their expense, and I might find you credible.

Voluntary work - last I heard - was not a prime human motivator.

Just WTF DO you do for a living?

SOME WOMAN JUST LIKE IT !!

Why do you have to over-complicate matters ? Some bloke like to pleasure birds as well. It is not anything crazy or mental or worthy of any in depth analysis. People like doing different things.

And why are you constantly trying to bring up what I do for a living ? What exactly does that have to do with my sexual experiences or knowledge of women ? Unless I work as a gigolo it is not relevant.

Or would it simply be yourself trying to bring up what you used to do for a living.....AGAIN...