interestrateripoff Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jun/20/radioactive-waste-olympic-site The development of the Olympic site in east London after the Games have finished could be in jeopardy because of radioactive waste buried beneath the site, experts have warned.According to a Guardian investigation, any development of the site risks unearthing a hundred tonnes of radioactive waste dumped at the former landfill site decades ago. Documents obtained under Freedom of Information (FOI) rules reveal that, contrary to government guidelines, waste from thorium and radium has been mixed with very low-level waste and buried in a so-called disposal cell under, or close, to the Olympic stadium. After the Games, the demolition of the Olympic stadium in Stratford to make way for housing is a possibility because government and sporting authorities so far have been unable to agree on its future use. Despite a possible bidding war between AEG, which runs the O2, and Live Nation to possibly turn the stadium into a music venue, bookmaker William Hill recently made demolition of the Olympic stadium 5/1 third favourite behind its continued use for athletics or conversion into a home ground for West Ham United. "There seems to be no obvious usage for the stadium after the games," a William Hill spokesman said. But while officials insist there is no risk from the waste to athletes or spectators during the event, further development of the site could expose the waste, which some experts claim should have been moved to a safe site. John Large, an independent nuclear analyst, said: "The Olympic site's hurried and unplanned development may have resulted in a great deal of public harm to the local communities remaining around the site. Overall, there is some doubt about the applicability and validity of the radiological risk analysis undertaken for the future legacy use." His sentiment is shared by Andrew Boff, a member of the London Assembly and Conservative spokesman on the Olympics. "I thought the £9.3bn cost would provide a remediation level sufficient for future development. But what we are left with is remediation which is just enough for us to hold the Games. The ODA is very proud that it came in under budget on remediation. I wish it had spent the whole amount and made the site fit for the future." Genius, who picked this site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jun/20/radioactive-waste-olympic-site Genius, who picked this site? BS. [DELETED TO SAVE MY ASS] Believe me. Edited June 21, 2010 by Noodle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) WE had Atomic clocks at the turn of the centry? Mike Edited June 21, 2010 by Mega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 (edited) WE had Atomic clocks at the turn of the centry? Mike Look up 'The Radium Girls'. It was the luminescent paint on the clock face. Oh . . . a hundred tonnes. Geez, that's 5 tipper loads. Really going to stop a development that. Edited June 21, 2010 by Noodle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Look up 'The Radium Girls'. It was the luminescent paint on the clock face. Oh . . . a hundred tonnes. Geez, that's 5 tipper loads. Really going to stop a development that. I think all this "run out of money blox" is due to the process of tendering. Cheapest gets it and then they up their income by claiming there are problems they didn't forsee. Should all be set fixed budgets with no negotiation and penalties for delays. (or directly employed people doing the work not private profit making enterprises) Same with trams in oldham. Apparently all the bridges need major work, which means all the embankments etc now need more work which no one could have guessed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I think all this "run out of money blox" is due to the process of tendering. Cheapest gets it and then they up their income by claiming there are problems they didn't forsee. Should all be set fixed budgets with no negotiation and penalties for delays. (or directly employed people doing the work not private profit making enterprises) Same with trams in oldham. Apparently all the bridges need major work, which means all the embankments etc now need more work which no one could have guessed... For the scale of the job, there wasn't that much money in it. The £9.2Bn refers to the cost of the complete development including land acquisition. There wasn't that much scope for contract claims either. This is minor. But expect lots of this as 'experts' point with shock and awe at bits of nothing looking for the bucks. It's the posh end of tin foil hat like stuff currently coming out of the Gulf of Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I think all this "run out of money blox" is due to the process of tendering. Cheapest gets it and then they up their income by claiming there are problems they didn't forsee. Should all be set fixed budgets with no negotiation and penalties for delays. (or directly employed people doing the work not private profit making enterprises) Same with trams in oldham. Apparently all the bridges need major work, which means all the embankments etc now need more work which no one could have guessed... Sounds like the Edinburgh trams. Total joke. It's not Bilfilger Berger doing the Oldham ones as well is it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sounds like the Edinburgh trams. Total joke. It's not Bilfinger Berger doing the Oldham ones as well is it... Oh dear . . . I shall depart from this thread now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Sounds like the Edinburgh trams. Total joke. It's not Bilfilger Berger doing the Oldham ones as well is it... I think it's MPact-Thales but I'm not 100% sure... (The M-Pact Thales consortium is made up of Laing O’ Rourke, GrantRail and Thales UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cattius Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 What is the fascination with trams anyway? Surely it makes more sense to use a transport system that's flexable ie busses? Also, how can they justify the HUGE cost involved to implement them? Was the motivation job creation, back handed greed or just plain flamboyancy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 What is the fascination with trams anyway? Surely it makes more sense to use a transport system that's flexable ie busses? Also, how can they justify the HUGE cost involved to implement them? Was the motivation job creation, back handed greed or just plain flamboyancy? I do keep mentioning Baht buses. Look 'em up. Fantastic, flexible system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 What is the fascination with trams anyway? Surely it makes more sense to use a transport system that's flexable ie busses? Also, how can they justify the HUGE cost involved to implement them? Was the motivation job creation, back handed greed or just plain flamboyancy? I think the greens in Manchester asked for a report to be done on whether implementing a light rail system on the same line would be cheaper and better value. More small trains on the same route would have perhaps encouraged more to use it. The trams are heavier than the trains - and this I've been assured by GMPTE - will stop them suffering the same fate as being affected by the autumn leaves on the line. (In autumn rail services get cut in half cos they can't keep to a timetable) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 What is the fascination with trams anyway? Surely it makes more sense to use a transport system that's flexable ie busses? Also, how can they justify the HUGE cost involved to implement them? Was the motivation job creation, back handed greed or just plain flamboyancy? They're less hassle to use than busses, the Manchester ones only run on the streets in the city centre, and then almost all on streets that other traffic can't, so they're less affected by traffic. It's a joke that the extension to Oldham should be a huge cost because it was running as a railway line until last year. Put some wires up, put a few connections in with the rest of the tram, and hey presto tram extension where you previously had a perfectly functional railway line doing the job with connections to the rest of the country. I could've understood the point if it was an old disused railway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsmelly Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 They're less hassle to use than busses, the Manchester ones only run on the streets in the city centre, and then almost all on streets that other traffic can't, so they're less affected by traffic. It's a joke that the extension to Oldham should be a huge cost because it was running as a railway line until last year. Put some wires up, put a few connections in with the rest of the tram, and hey presto tram extension where you previously had a perfectly functional railway line doing the job with connections to the rest of the country. I could've understood the point if it was an old disused railway... Re: Trams.................. why don't they just use hybrid trollybuses? Smaller captial investment, able to run off the wires if needed on a efficent diesel engine, and if it breaks down you just go around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Re: Trams.................. why don't they just use hybrid trollybuses? Smaller captial investment, able to run off the wires if needed on a efficent diesel engine, and if it breaks down you just go around it. Right and at the same time have the domestic car firms (bailed out) manufacture them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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