Bill Still Of "the Moneymasters" Discovers Housepricecrash.co.uk

[erranta]

Napoleon? (borderline)

Rome? (not borderline)

Yet we did all this using renewable sources to power our fleets

How do you make something more expensive than it is and if something is more expensive doesn't that make the poor poorer?

Why do you think EYE SEE EYE (ICI) and other GLOWball Multi-nationals (many with Headquarters in ultra secretive Switzerland!) lure farmers with (lure=cheaper) gen Modded seed/proprietory fertilizers/weed killer!

They get farmers hooked on fertilizers, crops which can't reproduce(so farmer can't save seed for following year) and crops which are wholly dependent on (genetically modded) specially developed 'trade marked' weed/disease killers!

It forces food prices up the more these Global companies get their hooks into the farmers!

'They' have also 'cornered' the market selling foodstuffs. Giant Multi-national supermarkets dictate to farmers what prices they will get for their produce so all the extra cash gets siphoned off into the hands of the few 'share-owners' at either end of the "CHAIN"

(think what a plough 'share' actually does - can't guess ? "TURNOVER" - 'skimming' off the top surface!)

Occult/Bankers use these 'farming' terms (in plain sight - taking piss out of Biblical parables which are generally agricultural!)

[Harry Sacks]

Your claim was that without access to cheap energy (presumably oil, coal) empires would become impossible because the energy requirements were too great

No it wasn't and you know it. Empires in the modern globalisation sense would be "nonviable" from the perspective of conventional economics. It would be pointless to exploit cheap third world labour because the transportation costs would outweigh the benefit.

[Stars]

Why do you think EYE SEE EYE (ICI) and other GLOWball Multi-nationals (many with Headquarters in ultra secretive Switzerland!) lure farmers with (lure=cheaper) gen Modded seed/proprietory fertilizers/weed killer!

They get farmers hooked on fertilizers, crops which can't reproduce(so farmer can't save seed for following year) and crops which are wholly dependent on (genetically modded) specially developed 'trade marked' weed/disease killers!

It forces food prices up the more these Global companies get their hooks into the farmers!

And if this ever truly became an expensive (exploitative) situation surely people would still be free to grow crops without monsanto?..err.. if they can buy the land, that is

'They' have also 'cornered' the market selling foodstuffs. Giant Multi-national supermarkets dictate to farmers what prices they will get for their produce so all the extra cash gets siphoned off into the hands of the few 'share-owners' at either end of the "CHAIN"

(think what a plough 'share' actually does - can't guess ? "TURNOVER" - 'skimming' off the top surface!)

If the supermarkets are syphoning off more than their contribution, surely it would be advantageous for farmers and customers to make their own supermarkets?

Occult bankers?

[Stars]

No it wasn't and you know it. Empires in the modern globalisation sense would be "nonviable" from the perspective of conventional economics. It would be pointless to exploit cheap third world labour because the transportation costs would outweigh the benefit.

And as we all know, poverty was almost unheard of before transportation became cheap.

[erranta]

And if this ever truly became an expensive (exploitative) situation surely people would still be free to grow crops without monsanto?..err.. if they can buy the land, that is

If the supermarkets are syphoning off more than their contribution, surely it would be advantageous for farmers and customers to make their own supermarkets?

Occult bankers?

Smallish Farmers - kept just above sustainable living limits.

The setback = crap prices from CENTRALISED bigish 6 SUPER markets whist they charge ordinary punters full whack with a few 'lures' thrown in!

The "lure" for farmers(with tie-ins) subsidised/cheaper(at the moment) seed etc

Why do you think "Market Towns" no longer have markets. Council Kunts have enriched their local 'handshake' mates with kickbacks by building over the 'centre of town' open super-market areas.

Defra and other organisations force farmers to truck livestock 100's miles to nearest 'certified' butchers - to piss them off!

Hence you eat chicken/pork/beef/fish etc imported from Thailand and round the Globe.

This is the catch 22 - they tie the UK farmers hands behind their backs with all these rules and regulations in the UK.

The only people who can afford the best Organic/free range grub all the time are the rich - a small part of the population!

The rest is all IMPORTED without letting you know! Sneaky eh?

They don't have all the rules and bans on weedkillers/antibiotics/animal cruelty in foreign countries that we have in the UK!

Banned poisons laced in your coffee and tea!!

So you are eating potentially 'contaminated'(banned in the UK) foodstuffs - whilst the rich gorge on the "fat of the land"!

Geddit?

Edited August 3, 2009 by erranta

[Number79]

just watched the film for the first time. Good stuff.

All that pen waving is a very distracting manerism, was driving me nuts. Keep your hands still in the next one ben and I shall purchase it.

[Harry Sacks]

And as we all know, poverty was almost unheard of before transportation became cheap.

...then it started increasing.

[Stars]

...then it started increasing.

Then we should all become millionaires by standing still

THis is very sad - you have obviously spent quite a bit of effort trying to make the facts fit your theory

[Dave Spart]

Bill,

I'm also going to target the finance professionals' journals, Private Eye magazine, The New Statesman and similar magazines read by intelligent readers who will appreciate the movie most.

Dave.

[Harry Sacks]

Then we should all become millionaires by standing still

eh?

WTF are you talking about now?

Edited August 3, 2009 by dom

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

Dave,

Could you help me with all this. I'm totally overwhelmed at this point and it's going to get a lot worse.

Please reply to my main email -- and keep this email address confidential -- bxxxxxxxx.com

Bill

bill

you might want to edit that post if you want to keep it confidential

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

Smallish Farmers - kept just above sustainable living limits.

The setback = crap prices from CENTRALISED bigish 6 SUPER markets whist they charge ordinary punters full whack with a few 'lures' thrown in!

The "lure" for farmers(with tie-ins) subsidised/cheaper(at the moment) seed etc

Why do you think "Market Towns" no longer have markets. Council Kunts have enriched their local 'handshake' mates with kickbacks by building over the 'centre of town' open super-market areas.

Defra and other organisations force farmers to truck livestock 100's miles to nearest 'certified' butchers - to piss them off!

Hence you eat chicken/pork/beef/fish etc imported from Thailand and round the Globe.

This is the catch 22 - they tie the UK farmers hands behind their backs with all these rules and regulations in the UK.

The only people who can afford the best Organic/free range grub all the time are the rich - a small part of the population!

The rest is all IMPORTED without letting you know! Sneaky eh?

They don't have all the rules and bans on weedkillers/antibiotics/animal cruelty in foreign countries that we have in the UK!

Banned poisons laced in your coffee and tea!!

So you are eating potentially 'contaminated'(banned in the UK) foodstuffs - whilst the rich gorge on the "fat of the land"!

Geddit?

from someone who used to work in the supermarket industry

100% agree

and we currently have the situation whereby planners are encouraged to have at least three large supermarkets in the catchment area

why - for more choice and supposed job creation - well the jobs only destroy others and more money leaves the local economy

[Stars]

eh?

WTF are you talking about now?

Movement causes poverty - the corollary being, standing still makes us all rich

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

Well, a fairly general question, but here's a short answer.

Our problem is debt, specifically the interest on the debt incurred when governments borrow their money from banks.

yep but why not stop the governments getting into debt - let them live within their means

In the United States, this year (2009) the interest payments alone will exceed $700 billion. To put that in perspective, there is much debate about ongoing funding for NASA -- a program highly approved of by the general public here. The entire NASA budget for 2009 is $14 billion.

It is the interest on the debt that is killing every economy in the world. The Sumarians (and later the Jews) had a solution for this -- the Jubilee. The Sumarians knew that every 50 years or so the weight of accumulated interest would collapse any civilization so every 50 years all private debts were cancelled. This is actually what is going on to a certain extent now with banks "writing down" loans.

maybe but should the prudent suffer

So let's just keep our eyes on the ball here. The bankers try to get us to focus our energies on irrelevancies. It matters not what backs a nation's money, for example. All that matters is who controls its quantity. If we allow the quantity of money to be controlled by banks, then we live in a plutocracy -- rule by the rich. If we give that power to the elected representatives to the national Congress or Parliament, then, and ONLY then, can we aspire to democracy or a democratic republic. There is no in between! Socialism, communism, fascism -- these are all just minor variants of plutocracy. You are either free or slave.

Control of the quantity of a national money is THE most important political question humans can ponder. Freedom cannot long survive when bankers are in control of the quantity of a nation's money. The debt money system is THE cause of most of the bad things in this world; war, poverty, hunger, misery.

agree but money is far too important to be in the controlling hands of bankers or the politicians

Edited August 3, 2009 by lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)

[Harry Sacks]

Movement causes poverty - the corollary being, standing still makes us all rich

You've descended beyond reasonable debate - goodnight.

[Stars]

Smallish Farmers - kept just above sustainable living limits.

The setback = crap prices from CENTRALISED bigish 6 SUPER markets whist they charge ordinary punters full whack with a few 'lures' thrown in!

The "lure" for farmers(with tie-ins) subsidised/cheaper(at the moment) seed etc

Why do you think "Market Towns" no longer have markets. Council Kunts have enriched their local 'handshake' mates with kickbacks by building over the 'centre of town' open super-market areas.

Defra and other organisations force farmers to truck livestock 100's miles to nearest 'certified' butchers - to piss them off!

Hence you eat chicken/pork/beef/fish etc imported from Thailand and round the Globe.

This is the catch 22 - they tie the UK farmers hands behind their backs with all these rules and regulations in the UK.

The only people who can afford the best Organic/free range grub all the time are the rich - a small part of the population!

The rest is all IMPORTED without letting you know! Sneaky eh?

They don't have all the rules and bans on weedkillers/antibiotics/animal cruelty in foreign countries that we have in the UK!

Oh so it is restrictions you are complaining about, i thought you were blaming Monsanto and supermarkets

Sorry, i got the wrong end of the stick

[Guest UK Debt Slave]

Why do we never hear about the malinvestment?

Had the borrowed money been spent productively, on cash-flow producing assets, rather than wasted on energy-consuming homes, then the US would not be in the mess it is today. China spent huge amounts of money in the last ten years also, but its investments are mostly producing a cash return, so China is getting richer, while the US is getting poorer for having wasted its money. Why do people not discuss this important difference?

The rape of the American people is entirely deliberate, as it is here in the UK and to a lesser degree, other developed nations.

The plans for a global economy and world governance require a more level playing field to work, so wealth is being redistributed to previously poor nations like China, India etc etc.

These people, be they democrat, republican, labour, conservative, do not give a stuff about the people. All those quaint notions about freedom, liberty, a functional middle class etc etc are being sacrificed on the altar of globalization.

Globalization is a PC noun to describe the globalization of poverty. They're pretty good at designing words with different meanings aren't they? rather like legalese, that stuff barristers and judges assault you with in court that masquerades as English but which nobody outside the lagal profession actually understands. A recession or depression is now called an 'ECONOMIC DOWNTURN' Nice huh! Sounds so much less harmful than recession or depression doesn't it? Inflation was the word they first conjoured up to describe state sanctioned theft via monetary debasement. Now that inflation is such a dirty word, they dreamt up 'QUANTATITIVE EASING' Whooooo! Try saying that at a dinner party after a couple glasses of splosh. It'll keep everyone amused for hours. The horrible fekkn b@stards

And GLOBALISATION is a nice one word description for THE RAPE OF THE MODERN INDUSTRIALISED WORLD

Ever wondered why the bankers and the political elite has offshored the UK and America's industrial and manufacturing capacity? Well there you have it. Both nations, the two nations most likely to defend people against tyranny, are being systematically asset stripped and their capacity to be self supporting industrial nations is being wiped out from right under the noses of the people. And just so long as they can continue to pop down to the mall to buy Chinese made trainers or Levis jeans made in Pakistan......with their fanny pack full of plastic credit tokens.....everything is just fine and dandy.......for a little while longer anyway.......though I venture time is running short for the British and American consumer. The credit will be withdrawn once the New World Order is all in place, the horrible fekkn b@stards.

[Guest UK Debt Slave]

Okay, I'll bite...

WHY would anyone want to do that?

Americans put themselves into the box they are in, through over-consumption and reckless speculation.

Why blame anyone else? If they had spent the cheap money more wisely (and some of us have!), then

then would not be so deeply in debt, while owning depreciating assets.

Many people were starting blogs and websites like HPC and my own GEI to warn them years ago about

the dangers that they were headed towards. But they were too caught up in their own greed to listen.

They are now paying the price of their own greed, while trying "to socialise it", and pass a big part of the

bill onto those who remained prudent. This needs to be seen for what it is, and resisted.

They were goaded into it.

Why on earth would Greenspan, a man previously quoted as having described gold as the ultimate form of money, cut the Fed base rate to the bone after the dot.com crash.

The central banks knew exactly what they were doing. They have done for decades. No central banker with the best interests of the people in mind would have given away credit at such low rates without there being an alterior motive for it. They have used and abused the financial ignorance of the people to get them into this mess. It's deliberate. Absolutely 100% deliberate and planned. People are dumb and stupid because that's the way the ruling class wants them to be. Easy picking for kleptocrats, thieves in the dark.

Do you remember the last housing boom we had here in the UK? Then they pulled the rug again, interest rates went up to 15% because George Soros and his criminal gangster pals wanted the UK to sell its Treasury gold. So Soros engineered a run on sterling and Lamont sold a big chunk of the UK's treasury gold reserves to prop up Sterling. And guess who bought most of it? The ECB. What a scam eh? Somewhere I read the cost of Soros's little game cost every person in the UK 60 quid or thereabouts. Nice little earner for someone out there. The money went somewhere. It didn't vanish into thin air.

They've been raping the UK ever since Thatcher tried to give some of the nation's wealth back to the people. The British establisment ABSOLUTELY HATED Thatcher.

So I take your point that people have been very dumb, very stupid and very reckless .......but it was all planned that way.

Edited August 4, 2009 by UK Debt Slave

[Guest UK Debt Slave]

That doesnt ring true to me.

Greenspan, a WoodyAllenish character, craved popularity, so he "sold his soul" to Wall Street,

in return for being regularly praised by them. The "maestro" created a mess, but made many

on Wall Street very rich.

Why blame only the one who sold the poison, rather than also he who bought it, simply because he was

promised by a con man, "drink this, and you will die a rich man."

Soros cannot be blamed for creating the risks that his investments exposed

"People are dumb and stupid because that's the way the ruling class wants them to be"

Not you, not me. Tell the truth, and others will see the light.

I take every opportunity I can to educate (to the best of my limited ability) friends and acquaintances....and trying not to make it sound like a sermon.

People are waking up.....albeit rather slowly..but the internet might just be our saviour in time before it gets closed down for good.

[Guest UK Debt Slave]

...from the GEI thread...

Still believes that a Gold-backed currency is NOT the solution.

The Money Masters have already spirited away a large proportion of the gold, so they will win

if a gold-backed currency is introduced

== ==

In his own words

As I pointed out earlier, the first gold heist was Soros' attack on Sterling in 1991. The second was Gordon Brown's firesale in 1997

[Alan B'Stard MP]

Edit: deleted due to echo.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Alan B'Stard MP

[Alan B'Stard MP]

I take every opportunity I can to educate (to the best of my limited ability) friends and acquaintances....and trying not to make it sound like a sermon.

People are waking up.....albeit rather slowly..but the internet might just be our saviour in time before it gets closed down for good.

Not so sure.

The typical economic commentator on utube gets around 5000 hits.

The latest P. Hilton escapade would probably get around 5,000,000

I think youre just mistaking the ability to hear other lone voices due to techonology - with a growing popular consciousness.

I feel you are probably stilling knawing on the bone on your lonesome.

As it ever was.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Alan B'Stard MP

[Injin]

Not so sure.

The typical economic commentator on utube gets around 5000 hits.

The latest P. Hilton escapade would probably get around 5,000,000

I think youre just mistaking the ability to hear other lone voices due to techonology - with a growing popular consciousness.

I feel you are probably stilling knawing on the bone on your lonesome.

As it ever was.

This is the bit where disparate voices find out they aren't alone.

After comes assembly, then action.

Given that our society runs on the contraol of information and peopel chatter constantly, i'd imagien the internet is going to have the same effect on our society and power structures and gutenbergs bibles did to the religious hierarchies.

Soon someone is going to nail a proclomation to the BoE's door.

[Alan B'Stard MP]

This is the bit where disparate voices find out they aren't alone.

After comes assembly, then action.

Given that our society runs on the contraol of information and peopel chatter constantly, i'd imagien the internet is going to have the same effect on our society and power structures and gutenbergs bibles did to the religious hierarchies.

Soon someone is going to nail a proclomation to the BoE's door.

It will be interesting to watch.

I can't help but think it will raise the apathy amongst the participants and provide an outlet.

Porn and information overload.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Alan B'Stard MP

[Where is my pen?]

Well, someone tipped off that "The MoneyMasters" was the source of discussion in the UK. How nice.

I saw some say that it was strange that MM recommends fiat money and that this is unusual among monetary reformers. Uhhhh, the elimination of the debt based privately issued money system is the very basis of monetary reform. There are many people in the U.S. who complain about the Federal Reserve System who advocate a return to gold money. Gold is -- and has always been -- the problem, not the solution. That's why goldbugs never spell out a plan -- they just talk in vague generalities. They misquote our Constitution by saying that gold money is "Constitutional Money." It's just very ill-informed though well-intentioned. These are not monetary reformers; they are goldbugs.

To give you some background, I first got interested in this story in 1980 when I was editing a small newspaper in the Washington, D.C. suburbs. The story, as I first knew of it, was that there was no gold left in Fort Knox. Well, as you might imagine, this was totally incredible to me at the time, but the source of the information was an 80+ year-old guy named Ed Durell. He ended up spending $11 million of his dollars trying to get the U.S. govt to do an annual physical audit of Ft. Knox gold reserves. He ultimately failed.

Then, it took me about 15 years to get back to the story. I first published a book called "On the Horns of the Beast: The Federal Reserve and the New World Order in 1995. That got sufficient notice so that sufficient money was assembled -- about $50,000 -- to start script development and filming. As one critic on this site mentioned, "Bill Still isn't a professional narrator." Well, yeah, I'd never done that before. It was the furthest thing from my mind. I was soooo fearful to be in front of a camera, but somehow, we pulled it off. That's why I am seen shaking a pen at the camera throughout. I didn't know what to do with my hands.

We released the film in 1996. It didn't do that well at first, then about 2000 we put it on DVD and it did better. Now, for the last 3 years, it's sold more and more every year.

About a year ago, a friend told me about the monetary reform symbolism embedded in the original book version of "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz." I jumped on it, raised the money, and embarked on a MM sequel, entitled "The Secret of Oz". Another critic herein mentioned that I might be anti-British. What nonsense! The British are the bedrock of elected governments -- the bastion of democracy. You absolutely couldn't help it that the world's first international banking cartel chose London to make it's initial fortune in. But keep in mind, this as far beyond the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, etc. The personalities don't matter to me now. It's the effect that matters, and how we can undo it all. I honestly wish I hadn't mentioned the Rothschilds in MM, but this info was new to me then. In my new project I don't mention them at all.

We flew to London in October of 2008 and filmed again in the Bank of England Museum, but this time in High Definition and with the participation of the Director thereof. Those who liked the Tally Stick section of MM will love the extended version in "The Secret of Oz" (SoZ).

This time, I know a lot more about promotion. We have entered it in 64 domestic and international film festivals, including 5 or 6 in Britain. You can see the entire list and dates on the SoZ website: www.secretofOz.com. We tentatively have scheduled a release date of Oct. 1, 2009. Since you all are such YouTube fanatics, I dare not offer to ship you a few PAL screeners lest they appear on YouTube instantly. My goal is to elevate this topic to one of national attention. Therefore, I'm trying to qualify it for the 2010 Academy Award in long documentary format. I've taken all the necessary steps except for the last one -- one which requires and additional $40,000. I still have 60 days to qualify. If we don't make that, I won't be heartbroken. At least we will get far wider media exposure that MM ever dreamed of getting.

I hope you MM fans will find all this of interest. I'll be happy to answer questions, or just participate in the discussion.

Bill Still

Bill - if you are indeed.

Your argument against gold bugs is a strawman. We do not advocate an alternative 'system' but rather to have no system at all. Why not allow individuals acting in the market to decide what money is? The rest, as regards to quantity and credit issue, follows simply from that.

Remember that the only reason a private cartel has this monopoly, is because the government gives it to them via legal tender law. So really it is government that is the problem. As ever.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Where is my pen?