19 year mortgage 8itch Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 No experience of 'em myself but for a chicken coop I'm not sure I'd even bother with an underlay of any sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fully Detached Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Me, me, me! Felt shingles. Thanks!! God, I love this place sometimes. It's a one stop-shop of everything you need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Thanks!! God, I love this place sometimes. It's a one stop-shop of everything you need to know In the last 6 months I've learnt more about building than I know about my day job. And none of it from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Slightly off topic, but the initial burst of activity on my chicken shelter went quite well today. It'll be erm, rustic, but I'm actually quite pleased with myself - dowelled joints and everything. Anyway, for the roof, I'm thinking of ply, topped off with some vinyl adhesive tiles. Except I don't know what to call vinyl adhesive tiles. I'm thinking of the sort of thing you see on store bought dog kennels and the like - anybody have any suggestions what to look for? Ps. Still have all fingers, toes, and John Thomas. I'd say that deserves a pint. Did you use power tools or chisels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The Gemans would not agree http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WERA-JOKER-Metric-Imperial-Combination-Ratchet-Open-End-Ring-Spanner-All-Sizes-/370817045724?var=&hash=item56566b14dc With you on the halfords stuff though, snap on is well over priced but their 3/8 and 1/4 drive sockets( six point ) are in a league of their own as for the rest there are equals if not better out there for a lot less money I've got the full metric set Wera Jokers and Snap-On ratchet ring and they just aren't Snap-On quality. I'm not saying that as some cheerleader for Snap-On, I would not recommend them for anyone that's not working on vehicles a lot. I do like some Wera stuff a lot the Koloss, withstands use as my primary 1/2" breaker bar, and I like the Zyklop ratchet handles, I use them quite a bit but they don't feel like they'd hold up to heavy use. Yellow handled chisel screwdrivers are a must have. Interesting with Snap-On, people praise them for quality but, they don't produce quality tools due to any belief in them. Their business model needs tools that last until the mechanic has finished paying for them on the tick. They are overpriced for Joe Public because the price is loaded to cover the finance and generous warranty - which is hard to not honour if the mechanic has not finished paying for it. I would say they could retail, by a different model, for a third less and that would probably be about right in value terms. People always say the sockets themselves, and they are good sockets but, with Snap On I would say the products so far ahead of the competition, they're worth the money, are 80 tooth ratchet handles, six point wrenches, flank drive plus wrenches, flare nut wrenches, torx and hex socket bits - particularly in long format. For sockets my choice would Stahlwille but you wouldn't save much. They do other stuff that is proably the best like prybars, chisels and punches but other companies like Mayhew make it for them and you can just buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I've got the full metric set Wera Jokers and Snap-On ratchet ring and they just aren't Snap-On quality. I'm not saying that as some cheerleader for Snap-On, I would not recommend them for anyone that's not working on vehicles a lot. I do like some Wera stuff a lot the Koloss, withstands use as my primary 1/2" breaker bar, and I like the Zyklop ratchet handles, I use them quite a bit but they don't feel like they'd hold up to heavy use. Yellow handled chisel screwdrivers are a must have. Interesting with Snap-On, people praise them for quality but, they don't produce quality tools due to any belief in them. Their business model needs tools that last until the mechanic has finished paying for them on the tick. They are overpriced for Joe Public because the price is loaded to cover the finance and generous warranty - which is hard to not honour if the mechanic has not finished paying for it. I would say they could retail, by a different model, for a third less and that would probably be about right in value terms. People always say the sockets themselves, and they are good sockets but, with Snap On I would say the products so far ahead of the competition, they're worth the money, are 80 tooth ratchet handles, six point wrenches, flank drive plus wrenches, flare nut wrenches, torx and hex socket bits - particularly in long format. For sockets my choice would Stahlwille but you wouldn't save much. They do other stuff that is proably the best like prybars, chisels and punches but other companies like Mayhew make it for them and you can just buy that. You must be some religious mechanic! Do you work for SnapOn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fully Detached Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Did you use power tools or chisels? I used the circular saw, the cordless drill, and the new workbench Pin. I'm very proud. Even the wife was impressed when she saw what I'd done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I used the circular saw, the cordless drill, and the new workbench Pin. I'm very proud. Even the wife was impressed when she saw what I'd done Hooray for Mr Detached. Good blokey fun, and wife impressed! Double hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxe Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 A set of Snap-on 10 - 19 mm FDP spanners is £460 list. Which is excessive. I got mine on the 'bay for about £300. Per the above you need to be careful with a manufacturers range. I love the snap-on socket drives - 80 tooth gets you out of a lot of trouble when you are stuck removing the exhaust manifold on the back of an Alfa V6. I like their spanners, especially the long ones - they do standard and long length. Their sockets are good, but not exceptional, I have them because I have got them cheap(er) on eBay over several years. Snap on welders - suck and expensive. They used to be re-badged Ceboras. Ditto their compressors. Their bearing serparators are machine mart quality for Harrods prices. Their impact guns are fantastic. However, the absolute pinnacle of everything is the KRL series of tool boxes. I have assembled one over several years, tactically buying s/h. Has cost about 4K, but it is a whopper with the side cabs + vertical pull out storage. Love it. You also need cheap spanners - for those jobs where they get a bit brutalised. I had to make a starter removal tool from a Halfords goose-neck spanner - you wouldn't be doing that with a Snapon spanner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 A set of Snap-on 10 - 19 mm FDP spanners is £460 list. Which is excessive. I got mine on the 'bay for about £300. Per the above you need to be careful with a manufacturers range. I love the snap-on socket drives - 80 tooth gets you out of a lot of trouble when you are stuck removing the exhaust manifold on the back of an Alfa V6. I like their spanners, especially the long ones - they do standard and long length. Their sockets are good, but not exceptional, I have them because I have got them cheap(er) on eBay over several years. Snap on welders - suck and expensive. They used to be re-badged Ceboras. Ditto their compressors. Their bearing serparators are machine mart quality for Harrods prices. Their impact guns are fantastic. However, the absolute pinnacle of everything is the KRL series of tool boxes. I have assembled one over several years, tactically buying s/h. Has cost about 4K, but it is a whopper with the side cabs + vertical pull out storage. Love it. You also need cheap spanners - for those jobs where they get a bit brutalised. I had to make a starter removal tool from a Halfords goose-neck spanner - you wouldn't be doing that with a Snapon spanner. The MAN. We worship you Mr RXE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Ok, humour me, how much for the snap on set of just spanners you recommend? http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=633033&group_ID=674989&store=uk&dir=catalog I was thinking the above but TBH I think they would be too much of an outlay new for DIY. A secondhand buy on ebay, for half that, might make sense, they do retain quite a bit of value relative to any other tools. There's also a cheaper set to 17mm skipping 16 which would probably be ok as you get bigger nuts are less likely to round off. I do seem to use 21, 22 and 24mm also - which is a legacy from imperial. You would get an awful lot more jobs done easily with a set of those, and say a Halfords Pro socket set, than a load of junk aimed at the DIY dilletante market that, although it might seem like a tenner or a twenty here and there, probably adds up surprisingly over a ten year period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 We are all tools with tools! I have had a Zen moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fully Detached Posted August 14, 2015 Author Share Posted August 14, 2015 Hooray for Mr Detached. Good blokey fun, and wife impressed! Double hit! To be fair I think she was mostly impressed that I still had all my appendages, the garage wasn't on fire, the language was clean, and at least two bits of wood were still stuck together after 20 minutes. But I'll take my compliments where I can get them, I'm not fussy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 A set of Snap-on 10 - 19 mm FDP spanners is £460 list. Which is excessive. I got mine on the 'bay for about £300. Per the above you need to be careful with a manufacturers range. I love the snap-on socket drives - 80 tooth gets you out of a lot of trouble when you are stuck removing the exhaust manifold on the back of an Alfa V6. I like their spanners, especially the long ones - they do standard and long length. Their sockets are good, but not exceptional, I have them because I have got them cheap(er) on eBay over several years. Snap on welders - suck and expensive. They used to be re-badged Ceboras. Ditto their compressors. Their bearing serparators are machine mart quality for Harrods prices. Their impact guns are fantastic. However, the absolute pinnacle of everything is the KRL series of tool boxes. I have assembled one over several years, tactically buying s/h. Has cost about 4K, but it is a whopper with the side cabs + vertical pull out storage. Love it. You also need cheap spanners - for those jobs where they get a bit brutalised. I had to make a starter removal tool from a Halfords goose-neck spanner - you wouldn't be doing that with a Snapon spanner. Actually the roll cabs was one area I really wasn't convinced the value was there on. I know they market them that you can stand in a drawer but, I'm not sure I'd ever want to. I went for 3 Taiwanese copycats in the end and they're ok really and I'm guessing they've got knocking on for a ton of weight a piece. Also the dealer wouldn't offer any discount which annoyed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 It's all MANLY talk on this thread. Nobody has mentioned curtains or cushions or cross-stitching! Hooray for blokes with tools! We can makes holes and get things apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Something tells me I won't be dropping £340 on spanners this side of never. I would have thought eBay was full of fake spanners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You must be some religious mechanic! Do you work for SnapOn? In actual fact I probably haven't bought a single Snap On tool for at least eighteen months, if not longer. It certainly does come to a point where you've simply got what you want. Although, I buy a lot of tools, I do only really do so if I believe it's a significant advantage to what I already have. I still do often buy something cheap, for what I imagine might be single use, only to find myself doing the same job again and then buying a better quality tool and wishing I just had to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Something tells me I won't be driving £340 on spanners this side of never. I would have thought eBay was full of fake spanners You would be surprised. Mate of mine bought some very good "professional" quality tools for a fraction of their new price. Obviously make sure the seller can spell, or they will be as fake as f*ck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Something tells me I won't be driving £340 on spanners this side of never.I would have thought eBay was full of fake spanners I don't operate on this basis more on 'must have new shiny tool' but, if you did work on your own car, instead of taking it to a garage, and then spent half of what you saved, by doing it yourself, on good quality tools. I do think you would quickly find you were not only saving money but each job would become easier as you became better equipped. Never seen much fake snap-on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I've got the full metric set Wera Jokers and Snap-On ratchet ring and they just aren't Snap-On quality. I'm not saying that as some cheerleader for Snap-On, I would not recommend them for anyone that's not working on vehicles a lot. I do like some Wera stuff a lot the Koloss, withstands use as my primary 1/2" breaker bar, and I like the Zyklop ratchet handles, I use them quite a bit but they don't feel like they'd hold up to heavy use. Yellow handled chisel screwdrivers are a must have. Interesting with Snap-On, people praise them for quality but, they don't produce quality tools due to any belief in them. Their business model needs tools that last until the mechanic has finished paying for them on the tick. They are overpriced for Joe Public because the price is loaded to cover the finance and generous warranty - which is hard to not honour if the mechanic has not finished paying for it. I would say they could retail, by a different model, for a third less and that would probably be about right in value terms. People always say the sockets themselves, and they are good sockets but, with Snap On I would say the products so far ahead of the competition, they're worth the money, are 80 tooth ratchet handles, six point wrenches, flank drive plus wrenches, flare nut wrenches, torx and hex socket bits - particularly in long format. For sockets my choice would Stahlwille but you wouldn't save much. They do other stuff that is proably the best like prybars, chisels and punches but other companies like Mayhew make it for them and you can just buy that. I feel like I have stumbled upon some tool porn board by mistake. I have no idea what you are talking about but it sounds absolutely filthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 You would be surprised. Mate of mine bought some very good "professional" quality tools for a fraction of their new price. Obviously make sure the seller can spell, or they will be as fake as f*ck!I recently found myself in a tight spot and had to buy the entry level Halfords combi spanner set for £15. They will do for the moment. even if they won't fix a car, they put up the kids' trampoline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 To be fair I think she was mostly impressed that I still had all my appendages, the garage wasn't on fire, the language was clean, and at least two bits of wood were still stuck together after 20 minutes. But I'll take my compliments where I can get them, I'm not fussy You will have to upload photo results - the bar has been set quite low with old lady shopping cart lawnmower hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I feel like I have stumbled upon some tool porn board by mistake. I have no idea what you are talking about but it sounds absolutely filthy. The Koloss is great. Tired of taking two tools into the shower like a ratchet handle and a separate hammer? Behold the combined 1/2" ratchet and hammer in one http://c745.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/img/2009/wera_koloss.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The Koloss is great. Tired of taking two tools into the shower like a ratchet handle and a separate hammer? Behold the combined 1/2" ratchet and hammer in one http://c745.r45.cf2.rackcdn.com/img/2009/wera_koloss.jpg Worthy of Thor himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I have my own safety boots and work trousers. It's the toolboxes I like. I just got a new one for bee stuff. I have recently used a screwfix catalogue for doing cutting and sticking but it's a bit boring. Can you recommend a cordless bee brush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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