Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Nick Clegg wants Murderers and Rapists to have the vote PRISONERS including rapists and murderers could get the right to vote in a move championed within the Cabinet by Nick Clegg, the Government said yesterday.The Deputy Prime Minister wants the Lib Dem policy put into law as soon as possible to bring Britain into line with human rights rulings from European judges. Polling booths for all inmates would be set up in jails around Britain. But the concession to the Lib Dems within the coalition Government is bound to anger Conservatives. Surely those that have ended up in prison have effectively declared that they do not want to be a part of our society, and have given up their right to have a say in how we are governed. Most criminals have to have offended a great many times before they are given a prison sentence. By the time they actually receive a custodial sentence they have proven ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ that they are not going to respect the laws government pass any way – so why should they have any input at all in the making of those laws. Clegg wants us to be brought into line with the rest of the EU, at the expense of what the British people think, and how offended most of the UK electorate will be at this ridiculous suggestion – no change their then. Maybe he thinks it would be to the Lib/Dems advantage. Terrorists in Prison who try to blow up innocent people should have the vote, the mind boggles. Another dictate from Europe, soon they will be running this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 The trouble with all these leftists is they take soundbites too literally. Everyone says crap like "How civilised a society is can be judged on how it treats its poorest/elderly/pets/criminals" That DOESNT mean restoring every single little freedom to the scum of the earth. Rights go with responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Nick Clegg wants Murderers and Rapists to have the vote Surely those that have ended up in prison have effectively declared that they do not want to be a part of our society, and have given up their right to have a say in how we are governed. Most criminals have to have offended a great many times before they are given a prison sentence. By the time they actually receive a custodial sentence they have proven ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ that they are not going to respect the laws government pass any way – so why should they have any input at all in the making of those laws. Clegg wants us to be brought into line with the rest of the EU, at the expense of what the British people think, and how offended most of the UK electorate will be at this ridiculous suggestion – no change their then. Maybe he thinks it would be to the Lib/Dems advantage. I actually agree with him on that point. Not that long ago, a man could be jailed for having sex with another man, and be denied the vote as a result. Now that is not the case. Even in the case of murder, it isn't always clear cut. People sometimes get sent down for murder because they killed someone in self defence, and not everyone agrees with these decisions. Similarly with rape, an 16 year old could be jailed for statutory rape for having consensual sex with his 15 year + 364 day old girlfriend. Usualy the police have a policy of not prosecuting in these cases, but they are well within their rights to do so. We do have more prisoners per head of population than any other country in the word except for the USA. We certainly don't have the lowest crime rates, so we must be doing something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
non frog Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Who cares? Look at the idiots all the rest of you vote for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel stallion Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Who cares? Look at the idiots all the rest of you vote for +1 It still dumbfounds me that fvckwits actually took the time to go and vote for Labour following their mishandling of just about everything. Lies, incompetence, more lies, gold, debt, deficit, illegal wars, lies. There really are some dumb ****** out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 A murderer/rapist may be a taxpayer. In principle, why deny that person the vote? In practice, many NuLab voters will never pay taxes - including duties, which they avoid through the black market + income taxes, because they're on benefits/the game. In fact, they seem like a bunch of Ron Paulers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 A murderer/rapist may be a taxpayer. In principle, why deny that person the vote? What next let them have their conjugal rights in their cells every weekend, well as you say they may be taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.C. Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 After the election wash out, I do recall saying I supported direct democracy in all matters with exception of emancipation. Prisoners should have the right to vote, for every murderer there are a thousand grannies that didn't pay their council tax, they are still human and still British citizens and they should have the vote. It's called democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 <br>What next let them have their conjugal rights in their cells every weekend, well as you say they may be taxpayers. <img src="http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=""><br><br>Conjugal rights can be very expensive in the end. Hey, if the murdere/rapist is paying from his (or her!) own pocket, why not?<br><br>The original idea of imprisonment was to keep the accused locked up until trial and punishment. During imprisonment the accused provided for himself, and if he had enough wealth he could live as normal apart from restrictions on movement. If he was poor, then he probably died from disease before the trial came on.<br><br>Sadly, we no longer have punishment: it has been replaced with imprisonment, and somehow the taxpayer has to stump up for the godawful bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Nick Clegg wants Murderers and Rapists to have the vote Surely those that have ended up in prison have effectively declared that they do not want to be a part of our society, and have given up their right to have a say in how we are governed. Most criminals have to have offended a great many times before they are given a prison sentence. By the time they actually receive a custodial sentence they have proven ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ that they are not going to respect the laws government pass any way – so why should they have any input at all in the making of those laws. Clegg wants us to be brought into line with the rest of the EU, at the expense of what the British people think, and how offended most of the UK electorate will be at this ridiculous suggestion – no change their then. Maybe he thinks it would be to the Lib/Dems advantage. Terrorists in Prison who try to blow up innocent people should have the vote, the mind boggles. Another dictate from Europe, soon they will be running this country. The real winkle is the person who thinks a little cross in a box means they have a say in how they are governed. I'd have thought someone your age would have worked it all out by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 +1 It still dumbfounds me that fvckwits actually took the time to go and vote for Labour following their mishandling of just about everything. Lies, incompetence, more lies, gold, debt, deficit, illegal wars, lies. There really are some dumb ****** out there. Whilst that's true the same is also true of every other party standing, and in some cases even more so. All you can do is pick which one is marginally less vile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel stallion Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Whilst that's true the same is also true of every other party standing, and in some cases even more so. All you can do is pick which one is marginally less vile. Yeah I know I was just being a cokc to prove a point. I don't think it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 The real winkle is the person who thinks a little cross in a box means they have a say in how they are governed. I'd have thought someone your age would have worked it all out by now. . . . is correct. What difference does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Absolutely Fabulous Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 The trouble with all these leftists is they take soundbites too literally. Everyone says crap like "How civilised a society is can be judged on how it treats its poorest/elderly/pets/criminals" That DOESNT mean restoring every single little freedom to the scum of the earth. Rights go with responsibilities. Quite! Humane treatment is the yardstick for crims. NOT the 'normal' life the rest of us enjoy. Wot next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Absolutely Fabulous Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 . . . is correct. What difference does it make? Principle? It is due to these attempts to be 'noble' with all and sundry - even the dross - that we are in the state we are in. We need to send out a clear signal to felons. "Jail is undesirable"..... and it needs to be. We already have prisons with high proportions of foreigners, who probably hailed from places where our jails are like the "Ritz" to them. Fat chance of getting lawful behaviour from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Principle? It is due to these attempts to be 'noble' with all and sundry - even the dross - that we are in the state we are in. We need to send out a clear signal to felons. "Jail is undesirable"..... and it needs to be. We already have prisons with high proportions of foreigners, who probably hailed from places where our jails are like the "Ritz" to them. Fat chance of getting lawful behaviour from them. Missed the point again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Absolutely Fabulous Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Missed the point again. Well I am getting on a bit, and just rolled outa bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Well I am getting on a bit, and just rolled outa bed. You need to lay off the sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-QUORK Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Another bitter Labour supporter spewing sour grapes. Get over it, you lost numbnuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Another bitter Labour supporter spewing sour grapes. Get over it, you lost numbnuts. Who? I'm somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Absolutely Fabulous Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Who? I'm somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. Another one bin on the sauce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest X-QUORK Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Who? I'm somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. The OP Pazzer, not you. Good to have you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noodle Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 The OP Pazzer, not you. Good to have you back. Two days I was gone. I had a burger. Where's mmm...beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflation Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 There's potential here for a prisoner's lobby group. Do they vote in the constituency where the prison is located or get a postal vote to where they live? Many are of no fixed abode so what then? They could swing marginal constituencies. What about an HMP constituency? 80k + prisoners, about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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