Rachman Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) We've got a Jag X series estate - just over 2 years old. Company car covered by a warranty than goodness. It's been rubbish. 4 problems requiring garage rectification. 3 of which were well known! Broke down on the M6 toll recently - fuel pump problem. Again a well known fault. Which is hardly a comfort when sitting on the hard shoulder in the rain with a 7 month old baby and a 3 yr old for 50 minutes. We won't be getting another Jag. Reliability is paramount IMO. Maybe we've been unlucky, but I don't think so. Is it a diesel ? If it is, it's a known Ford problem across the range.... - cheap pump...... My VW Passat has been to the dealer 4 times on the back of a trailer - it's three year old (it's also an Audi A4 underneath) - the X type is a Mondeo (60% of the parts are Mondeo) and it's built in an old Escort factory - it's the least reliable Jaguar - though if you offered me a 2.2 diesel estate in sport spec with 18inch arubas in black and with nav I could be tempted.... - going back for faults is not a problem - reliability is as much about how they fix them - Jaguar are usually excellent at that if you are not an @rse with them - compare that to Mercedes..... If reliability is paramount - don't even entertain a 3 series touring or a C Class estate next then - Lexus don't do an estate in the IS - I'd look closely at the Honda Accord Wagon (2.2ctdi) - the A4 avant is ancient hat now already..... Edited October 24, 2006 by Rachman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickingIt Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Top Gear WILL be back on telly soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Steve Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Is it a diesel ? If it is, it's a known Ford problem across the range.... - cheap pump...... My VW Passat has been to the dealer 4 times on the back of a trailer - it's three year old (it's also an Audi A4 underneath) - the X type is a Mondeo (60% of the parts are Mondeo) and it's built in an old Escort factory - it's the least reliable Jaguar - though if you offered me a 2.2 diesel estate in sport spec with 18inch arubas in black and with nav I could be tempted.... - going back for faults is not a problem - reliability is as much about how they fix them - Jaguar are usually excellent at that if you are not an @rse with them - compare that to Mercedes..... If reliability is paramount - don't even entertain a 3 series touring or a C Class estate next then - Lexus don't do an estate in the IS - I'd look closely at the Honda Accord Wagon (2.2ctdi) - the A4 avant is ancient hat now already..... It is a diesel and the fact that it's a known problem is little comfort. In fact it makes it worse. Took them 2 attempts to find and rectify the problem. Not sure what we're going to look at next. I've always driven BMWs with no problems, Mrs Ignorant used to drive an Audi TT before children and before that BMWs. Mercedes failed to impress when we went to look. If they can't be bothered to sell, then I can't be bothered to buy. What about a 5 series estate? Any good? I know next to nothing about cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twig Vase Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Even if it did – I can not see it spreading – places like London have loads of jobs – infact it seems to be very good business at the moment – I have a problem seeing how one area will be the trigger – we need the job market to be bad across the country – maybe this is a step in the right direction – just in my opinion a very small step – the closing of rover was much bigger and has made no difference So 1000's of job losses would be a step in the right direction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachman Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 What about a 5 series estate? Any good? I know next to nothing about cars. Without active steering (something else to go wrong and feels terrible) and if possible, without runflats it may ride OK - very colour sensitive and needs to be dechromed - lots around now - needs big wheels to look OK and autobox is essential - if it's a company purchase, price whether a 520D is tax efficient - otherwise 525D is great for most needs - if you are the devil and the co is paying, twin turbo 535D is Porsche Boxster S fast....... - apart from idrive concerns (when electronics get old) - it's a very good choice as a mile eater - with leather it's wipe clean and it's never going to be laughed at. Not as good a piece of feelgood as an E270cdi estate - but has not needed 2,000 changes midlife to sort out faults in the launch car and certainly not as feelgood inside as an A6 3.0 tdi (my choice if someone else is footing the bill) - but it's a £32K plus car when loaded up with toys..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its time to buy Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 they need to make a GREEN car (and make it British racing green too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignorant Steve Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Without active steering (something else to go wrong and feels terrible) and if possible, without runflats it may ride OK - very colour sensitive and needs to be dechromed - lots around now - needs big wheels to look OK and autobox is essential - if it's a company purchase, price whether a 520D is tax efficient - otherwise 525D is great for most needs - if you are the devil and the co is paying, twin turbo 535D is Porsche Boxster S fast....... - apart from idrive concerns (when electronics get old) - it's a very good choice as a mile eater - with leather it's wipe clean and it's never going to be laughed at. Not as good a piece of feelgood as an E270cdi estate - but has not needed 2,000 changes midlife to sort out faults in the launch car and certainly not as feelgood inside as an A6 3.0 tdi (my choice if someone else is footing the bill) - but it's a £32K plus car when loaded up with toys..... Thanks. A6 has been recommended by several other people as well. May well investigate that and the 525D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuyingBear Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I agree with you on Mercs. Amazing they did admit it. I am currently looking to buy a 2nd hand Merc and a local garage that specialises in German stuff recommends the older versions of all models. They have an immaculate '96 Merc C180 that I have my eye on for about 3.6k. Parkers still rate these old ones 5 star for reliability. They're not very nice to drive, Merc cocked up the RHD conversion so the pedals are offset and the steering is positioned more to the center, it can create a nasty pain in your leg after a while. I've also read that VW are higher in the reliability stakes, but that's for more recent models to be honest. What about a 5 series estate? Any good? I know next to nothing about cars. The new 3 series coupe looks tasty, go and take a look and see if Mrs Ignorant Steve bites. You have to be quite an ar$ehole to drive them, I think I qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realistbear Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share Posted October 25, 2006 What annoys me RB is that you make comments such as " Landrover is closing ", because of your prolific postings, most people reading this will probably believe it. What you should have said was that only one of several production lines at Solihull is moving to Halewood to make efficiency savings by running two cars down one line. Solihull is still one hell of a big production site banging out 150,000 range rovers a year. Don't give the impression it's a dead donkey. Landrover sold 185,000 cars worldwide in 2005. Landrover is on target to smash last year's record sales and may breach 200,000 cars this year. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Jaguar and Landrover are now one company part of the PAG (premier automotive group). We share resources; for example Jaguar engineers and Landrover engineers work side by side. We share costs infrastructure and much more. Ford are not looking at the individual sales figures but look at the overall performance of PAG. You are putting a negative spin on your posts to manipulate the truth. We need to talk up what is left of British Manufacturing not knock it down as your seem determined to do. QUOTE: Landrover sold 185,000 cars worldwide in 2005. Landrover is on target to smash last year's record sales and may breach 200,000 cars this year. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. http://money.guardian.co.uk/businessnews/s...1929787,00.html Failing Ford may seek sale of British marques Ford's premier automotive unit, which includes Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo, widened its losses from $108m to $593m. Ford said all the unit's brands sold fewer cars with the exception of up-for-sale Aston Martin. Land Rover, in particular, saw its market share decline and Mr Mulally made it clear a sale of all the British brands remained under consideration. If you are working for Jag or LR you may have been the victim of company propaganda regarding LR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachman Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Ford's premier automotive unit, which includes Jaguar, Land Rover and Volvo, widened its losses from $108m to $593m. Ford said all the unit's brands sold fewer cars with the exception of up-for-sale Aston Martin. Land Rover, in particular, saw its market share decline and Mr Mulally made it clear a sale of all the British brands remained under consideration. To be fair, RB, that is almost all down to one thing - the Freelander production being curtailed because of the collapse of RoveR (no K series engines to put in them) and the winding down of the Freelander 1 production as it's 9 years old in preparation for Freelander 2 from Halewood. RR Sport is selling global, new RR is selling better than ever, Disco 3 is selling, Defender is irrelevant in sales stakes anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realistbear Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share Posted October 25, 2006 To be fair, RB, that is almost all down to one thing - the Freelander production being curtailed because of the collapse of RoveR (no K series engines to put in them) and the winding down of the Freelander 1 production as it's 9 years old in preparation for Freelander 2 from Halewood. RR Sport is selling global, new RR is selling better than ever, Disco 3 is selling, Defender is irrelevant in sales stakes anyway... I am sorry to report that its worse than we both thought: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15414124/ The loss was Ford's worst in some 14 years and brings the year-to-date total to $7.2 billion. Last year, it posted a profit of $1.8 billion. The company's going to have to lop off some of its prestige lines, like Jaguar and Land Rover, since losses in the unit (which also includes Volvo) widened to almost $600 million from $108 million the year before. Part of the failure is the extended warranties Ford offers, because the cars perform worse than anticipated. That's not really a surprise, since J.D. Power & Associates' "initial quality" survey published a few months ago had Volvo performing below average and Land Rover coming in dead last, with almost twice the industry average number of problems per car. LR last. It is sad to to see British car manufacturing go like this. I wonder who might bid for Jag? The Chinese can afford it. Toyota don't need it and Honda seem an unlikley candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachman Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 That's not really a surprise, since J.D. Power & Associates' "initial quality" survey published a few months ago had Volvo performing below average and Land Rover coming in dead last, with almost twice the industry average number of problems per car.[/indent] LR last. Build quality is pants - but it's no worse than Mercedes ML class. However, the entire range suffers because they are all 4wd with fancy gubbins and therefore more to go wrong - if they made simple 2wd cars the failure rates would be lower - that is not to state the obvious - they need Jaguar work practices in there and the unions have to accept that quality from their employees must improve if they want to keep their jobs (and need some better manufacture). LR has always been appalling for reliability, if they can fix that and make them like Toyota Landcruisers and Honda CRVS, they will be the best in the world, bar none..... they ain't there yet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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