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Beat me to it. BoJo gets his 'I told you so' in before the SHTF.

very good. We must be wetting our pants at the prospect of all these easy peezy trade deals on the horizon ......... even Boris thinks there will be a meltdown now...but he says 'don't panic!!!'.... from his multi million pound London DesRes and the comfort of knowing that the vast generational wealth he has will more than cushion him from the economic shocks that will follow (of should I say profit from ). Obviously he has the interests of the common man at heart....not.

Well you should stick with that reason then ie you don't want more people, you don't want immigration, rather than trying to justify it using unbalanced arguments.

Not sure about that, there's more than one side to this story. Climate change, incompetent government, poor infrastructure etc. It is true that we will have an issue - but population growth in the UK is but one facet to this story. So your point is unbalanced and unrepresentative of the issue in total. I understand that as a Leaver you are keen to put the blame on something that can be attached to the EU - no surprise there..

If you have a point you are trying to make that is related to Brexit then get on with it.

You and your distorted perception of our land.

You remind me of an anorexic friend I used to have. Their self body image was so distorted and out of wack with reality, so unbalanced, that they just kept doing things that where just not good for themselves - ultimately it destroyed them.

I'm calling it...... peak blolocks!

On cue..... lie down and take some deep breaths.

Oh yes - I used to be the archetypal backpacker, sleeping rough under boats and ordering a single salad with bread as a student. It was the done thing back then. Hippies roamed the streets of Athens and the backstreets of the Islands. I would look at them with envy as I contemplated going back to my studies. When I became gainfully employed, I'd still go back there on holidays and eat and drink like a king for a tenner. Sadly, not any more.

Greece has become expensive for the the Brits, it's not just the Euro - it's also Sterling. When the Euro was introduced into Greece it was done so in typical Greek fashion ie without any controls what so ever. The Greeks saw this an an opportunity to raise prices and raise prices is what they did. A bunch of parsley before 50 drachs, now 1 Euro. A hike of 400%. Do this across the board and this is the result you get. Contrast this to the Germans who controlled and ensured that the new Euro prices where in line with the old Mark prices. Sadly Greece is not good value anymore.

Do all immigrant not follow the rules of their newly adopted country? Do all natural Germans follow the rules of their native country? Why is anyone surprised that people in general don't always follow the rules? Especially so when people are faced with a new culture, new rules and an etiquette that is strange to them. I don't believe that the Germans in general are any less tolerant than most of the Brits. There will always be those Brits and Germans who are less tolerant and they will always perceive foreigners with a degree of suspicion or worse. Your statement comes across as a one sided slur on immigrants in general and the German people in particular.

It's not just you Hairy. I've had a couple of 'weird strange' too's and fro's with SS. They usually consist of his stalking you to answer questions that you have already answered or that are off the original point. He will ignore your points, make new ones to 'try and trap you' and then incessantly badger you to answer all sorts of guff. I class him as a 'point scorer' . By the end of the thread you have lost what was that was originally being discussed and , you have lost the will to live. Hopefully he will take the advice, lie down and perhaps behave in a normal way. But knowing SS, he will probably resurrect one of his meandering and come after me again :).

Lets not forget that Greece leaving could have meant crashing out of the euroand a default on its national debt.....which was predominantly financed by the german banks......that was a whole lot of leverage.

Looks like BoJo reads your posts. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44174575 We must be getting very desperate for trade deals....

Minimum standards = lowest prices. Different minimum standards = different minimum prices. If you want to compare then you must compare the minimum standard offerings produce by both producers and decide..... is the price differential worth eating meat that has been treated with hormones and antibiotics or chicken that is produced in a dirty environment that is then treated by Chlorine?. We will all have a different POV on the desirability of said treated meat. I for one am not keen on it. The real question is do you allow an external lower standard produce to compete with a higher standard locally produced offering? Some may frame this a more consumer choice. However, it would give an unfair advantage to the external producer by giving them free reign over a price sensitive segment of the market not available to the local producer, thus unfairly hurting their business. The only fair business orientated answer is to have the same standards. It's pretty obvious.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/26/how-could-the-uk-us-trade-deal-affect-your-food-qa

You make it sound like the US cannot multitask.....of course they will find the time to deal with us in their time honoured fashion. They will screw as much out of us as they can. The more desperate we are are the more they will want.

CopperCrutch.......I mean ccc is a well known hate spreader and xenophobe on other forums. This is his method used to silence posters views. He is obviously back to his old tricks again..... I take it he has now crawled back under his usual rock to conflab with all his old, equally vile, Hearts forum buddies (where he was banned from) or some other forum that is not too picky about who they allow in.

I agree... it will be a slo mo car crash.... However, we will in the end go back to the EU, cap in hand and beg them to let us in, Euro an all. Even humiliation has a price not worth paying.

I can understand that you voted to leave and that meant ditching FoM - but it is a stretch to say that everyone who voted Leave also did so for the same reason. Therefore you cannot use the 'will of the people' argument with regard to this.

Look up productivity.... pay and productivity are linked.... if you think that just raising wages is enough to make us all rich then ask why don't they just do it? Then we'd' all be millionaires Rodders.

Yes - well not all of us. but certainly those who don't currently own a house and arguably those who want to move to a bigger house.

You are not taking this seriously are you? Can we add this to your other idea of, if everyone gets a pay rise then we'll all be better off. You just don't seem to be able to join the dots.

..................remain? Seems obvious really.