Confusion of VIs

I have being doing those sort of calcs recently as my wife has just gone back into a permie job after 10 years contracting, in large part prompted by recent/forthcoming tax changes. On the face of it a huge drop in salary but once you factor in everything not so different.

I hope you are expressing interest in taking Mark's £400 an hour advice.

Me too. Also selling houses I don't have

Just done a quick calc and the permanent SCS deadwood are probably on £100 an hour once you factor in pensions, 33 days annual leave, bank hols etc. Add in training, sick leave, life insurance, salary sacrifice schemes, etc and you are quite a bit over that. So not bad work if you can get it.

Probably 100s Negotiators, 1000s Lawyers and lots and lots of assistants, bag carriers, admin, support, IT, accommodation, facilities etc. etc.

It's hard to believe that after all the time you have spent on this thread you still don't understand that Article 50 is about agreeing how we leave, not carrying out the work required to achieve it. May has now accepted that this work cannot possibly be completed in 2 years and conceded there will need to be a transition period and until this is over we will still be in the EU and subject to all its rules/regulation. The only question now is how long that transition period will be, even 10 years would be a huge challenge. So Brexit is now in the distant future, if it ever happens.

Nice place, but what's it done to deserve having 1000s of lawyers inflicted on it.

Truth is nobody quite knows yet but everywhere they look there are legal/regulatory/treaty implications. I suspect that even if they did know today, the news would be dripped out over the next 2 years, lowering expectations of a quick Brexit and making the case for a long transition period. Re getting 1,000s of city lawyers to relocate out side of London. I hope you have lots of extra money for the hardship payments required to entice them to wherever you decide to base the operation - Brussels maybe?

Leavers voted for a whole range of reasons. Apart from on here, I haven't met any who believed they would be worse off. in fact all the ones I know believed the we will be £13bn a year better off line. Anyway the moment May conceded we will need a transitional period Brexit became a dim and distant prospect. I would now guess maybe by 2028, if at all as who knows what will happen over that sort of timescale.

But his job appears to be trying to undermine the UK government, hardly a useful contribution at this time.

They are looking to take on negotiators at over £1,000 per hour. I doubt your rates are quite that cheeky. Also have you remembered to put away £1m for your pension, like the dead wood will walk away with.

So all you have to do to Leave is write up all of your proposals,and the 50,000 plus things you haven't got round to thinking about, into law and you're ready to go. Problem is the your legal people will tell you that's 10 years work, and that's just about where we are now.

Happy now?

The other members of the club, this is so obvious I thought it was a rhetorical question. You cannot let people leave a club, stop paying their subs and carry on enjoying the benefits of the club. Making that clear is the threat. Any country can decide to leave the EU but they must be prepared to forego the benefits of membership when they leave. I haven't demanded a second vote, in fact I have previously stated that we should proceed with Brexit despite personally thinking it is a stupid decision as democracy should be respected. However, if the reality is that once we can see over the cliff edge it becomes apparent to a clear majority of people that the it would be a mistake to leave then I think that could be grounds for a second vote.

A little while ago I posted some of the gossip about the Brexit Department being a complete shambles as Davis would not accept advice from his senior staff that there was no way they would be ready to take the article 50 negotiations forward to the required schedule; Lo and behold yesterday the story has reached the press. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/whitehall-cant-cope-with-legal-nightmare-of-brexit-say-experts-rw27w7fhq To flesh out the story a bit more, current gossip is that Davis has now accepted that he cannot meet his own schedule, reluctantly accepted the latest estimate that we will not be ready to enter meaningful negotiations until the end of 2017 and that the chance of completing these negotiations before the end of the two years allowed is about the square root of zero. This realisation has finally been communicated to No 10 and was behind T May's comments about there needing to be a transition period. As there is no prospect of agreeing any significant change to our relationship with the EU before the end of the two years it is likely that this transition period will effectively be business as usual with us remaining within the EU until we have a drawn up, agreed, ratified and completed a detailed Brexit implementation plan and the legal framework required to implement it. Mainstream estimates for how long this will take range from 5 to 15 years, with even 15 years requiring a rate of progress never seen before in such complex trade negotiations and heroic assumptions about our ability to identify and progress all the legal work required to implement it. The really significant thing is that, whatever the period actually is it will be more than long enough for the referendum vote to be ancient history by the time we have to decide whether or not to implement the Brexit plan. This of course will make it very easy to argue that a second vote is required to approve implementation, alternatively we may become like Norway and remain permanently in transition. My own unsubstantiated thoughts are this could explain why the government hasn't already gone ahead and implemented restrictions on benefits/WTCs on WU migrants, they need to hold back any practical changes so that they can be portrayed as progress towards Brexit when the natives start getting restless at the lack of progress.

No not even a fan but try to keep an open mind unlike some.

You are doing it again

Perhaps part of the thinking was, it reduces the cost of moving so should make the market more price sensitive. A sensible move if LLs really are putting up rents in preparation for C24 coming into effect.

See, I said you find it difficult to see things from the other persons perspective. Creating and attacking a straw man does not count.

No but didn't respond to it. Anyway May IIRC was told by the other states that they saw no point of spending the meetings time discussing Brexit in advance of triggering A50, she insisted she would like to give them a brief update after all the other business had been completed. Hence the graveyard slot So possibly another fact you have selected to reinforce an opinion you already held?

OBR report should contain assumptions about immigration numbers over the next 5 years. But cannot find it at the moment.

They want to avoid getting caught up in the fallout from Brexit. Its pretty much the view I would have if I was them, or would have if France decided to Frexit impacting on the UK.

Tariffs are about goods, unfortunately 80% of our economy is services. Tariff free access would be great for the EU states especially Germany, but not good for us. Not so simples once you start looking into the detail.

Who's salivating, its an impending and pointless disaster. OBR announced today £122bn extra gov borrowing by the end of this parliament, total £250bn lost to the economy and that's before we Brexit and probably similar damage to the EU economy. Difficult to see how you make a win/win out of that. My post was nothing to do with Slovakia per se, just questioning why Reidquat finds it so hard to see things from the other persons perspective.