thehowler

Have I called anyone like this? Yes, you waded in with talk of ignorance and comparisons with Flat Earthers.

Everybody dismisses weather forecasts...

Because the public have lost faith in polls since the Ed Miliband days. They are no longer trusted.

Has anyone called you ignorant or stupid?

And yet the remainers had even less to offer, if that can be believed! The real tragedy of the vote - and the UK qualifies for the requisite loss of prior greatness - is that remainers failed to make any spirited, passionate case for staying in. When pushed, all they had was the threats and the doom-mongering, no vision for an improving future. The EU didn't do far enough to show that it was giving people what they want and deserve. What do you mean by the norm? If anything, the UK appears to be defying all ideas of normality, in going against the majority view of the planet on leaving the EU. Isn't Brexit some idealistic, perhaps ill-fated effort to get back to being an exceptional country?

I wonder why the markets had the currency pumping high and wild the night before, must just have been a random guess?

They've been trying to get rid of Bercow for years. They've already lost a critical vote, the battle began long ago...

Why do so many remainers resort so quickly to offensive language? This flat Earth stuff is just peculiar...

And bringing it back to polls, even Farage thought he'd lost on the night, info from his financial contacts I imagine...

On the one hand it's...we're leaving our biggest trading partnership and there are all kinds of risks that might make you poorer and regret your choice. On the other...there is no democracy in the UK.

But many people are also celebrating the demise of UKIP...and respecting the ref vote might take precedence over your antipathy to Brexit (warranted or not) in terms of protecting the national interest. Fair?

And, as I've pointed out before, you are only left with misery as a result of your current position. You will either be right and it will all be awful and your misery guaranteed, or you will be wrong and feel like an idiot. I will only suffer the latter fate if I'm mistaken hoping the Brits can make the best of things. After two years of rejecting all pro-Brexit arguments, what makes you think you'll ever hear one you find convincing?

I don't need to make them. I've accepted the result.

So did the chancellor and most of the political class promising every voter that the sky would fall in the day after the vote. The lies and schemes of the campaign have been done to death here, I don't think either side can take the high ground.

I've said it might be best to view the political reaction and choices post-Brexit as responses to a disaster, yes. I'm trying to imagine ways Brexit could be made to work, as a best response to a startling event. You, I think, just don't think there is any possible benefit or outcome from the vote that isn't awful. Would that be fair to say?

Is there no end to Brexit's depravity, even the weather will be worse when we leave?

Some psephologists are suggesting that a lot of the UKIP vote went to the Tories, and that areas with a large leave vote were also turning out to vote with Tories, Brexit in mind. Daily Mail has pushed the connection to its front page...Leavers come out in force for Mrs May and deliver an emphatic message...Now give us a REAL Brexit I am not endorsing the DM by any means, simply pointing out that people do not seem to have used the local elections to register any protest against Brexit.

Looks like Davis is getting ready to resign over the CP/CU too...from Commons Chambers appearance this week... Sir Desmond Swayne With what level of confidence does the Secretary of State estimate the probability of our leaving the customs union on 31 December 2020? Mr Davis Will 100% do? Sir Desmond Swayne Excellent.

Is that IMHAL, reflecting on my world view...

Can't help thinking of the hive-mind, robo-overlords the Borg, every time you say this...

I take it you think your view is somehow more grounded in the reality of the situation than mine? Odd that you don't recognize the great bulk of this discussion is subjective - other than around events such as the vote, the vague discussions up to now and the complete absence of any indication that the Brits have changed their minds. Maybe it's your use of jaunty smiling emoticons and talk of battering down arguments but your post struck me as weirdly triumphalist. What is it you would like the UK to achieve over the next year, IMHAL?

If this is so - and there are few facts established in anything you raise - it only makes it more likely we're going to crash out, so hardly something to celebrate? I'd say we're just getting an uptick in Brexit noise as the crunch approaches, but as per my pic of Davis hanging out with Verhofstadt we only get the scraps of what's going on - usually in the form of very partisan leaks to the Brit press. Regardless of the twists in coming weeks, I don't think May could keep us in the SM. And going on the Local Council election results, there's precious little sign of a big remain swing in the Brit peuple. It's out, mon ami.

We've already had that - David Cameron.

Leaks from who? Not strange really when you consider how wholly speculative and unsubstantiated this story is.

The French have been flouncing just this week... https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-france-language/monsieur-non-french-eu-envoy-walks-out-in-english-row-idUKKBN1HX1YY