Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/r/25569199/detail.html ERIE, Pa. -- A sign in the front of a building on West 39th Street tells visitors that it's the Unicredit Debt Resolution Center in Erie.Once debtors got inside, they were fooled into believing they were in a courtroom with a judge, but the whole thing was a fake, according to a lawsuit filed by the Pennsylvania attorney general. Team 4's Jim Parsons reported that Unicredit America is accused in the lawsuit of deceiving, misleading and coercing hundreds of consumers into paying off their debts. Inside the building is a pair of locked oak doors with brass handles resembling a courtroom entrance. The company is accused in the lawsuit of building a mock courtroom complete with a judge's bench and witness stand. Unicredit President Mike Covatto declined to comment on Friday. "Can I look at your fake courtroom?" Parsons asked. "First of all, that's an allegation that supposedly someone said, so talk to the attorneys," Covatto said. "You guys have a nice day. That's all I got to say." The Attorney General's Office told Team 4 that Unicredit lured debtors to the building by sending employees who appeared to be sheriff's deputies to their homes, implying that they would be taken into custody if they failed to appear at the phony court hearings. "It really galls me that someone would stoop that low," Erie County Sheriff Robert Merski said. "This certainly seems to be a scam, and it upsets me that they are trying to play on the integrity of this office, the office of sheriff. We've been here since the beginning of the United States." The lawsuit accuses Unicredit of intimidating debtors into revealing their bank account numbers, even turning over the titles to their cars once they got them inside the building. The Attorney General's Office is asking a judge to freeze the company's assets and order it to cease operations. They pretended to have gold, they pretended to have paper, why wouldn't they pretend to be a judge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) http://www.thepittsb...199/detail.html They pretended to have gold, they pretended to have paper, why wouldn't they pretend to be a judge? This 'fake' courtroom was a bunch of people you had never met, who were holding you responsible, under 'debt' laws, which the very people who wrote them, are not accountable to, if they choose not to be. There is no real and fake. Its all fake isnt it? Nothings changed since Medieval Feudalism Edited November 1, 2010 by Dan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 All courts now are defacto, they are places of business, you can tell them asmuch and walk out, as me and my friends have done. want to see one of the ways this can be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 All courts now are defacto, they are places of business, you can tell them asmuch and walk out, as me and my friends have done. want to see one of the ways this can be done Here are some links for further research. http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/ http://fmotl.com/ and their forum http://fmotl.com/forum/ http://tpuc.org/ and here's the video that started me down this track seven years ago My link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 Here are some links for further research. http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/ http://fmotl.com/ and their forum http://fmotl.com/forum/ http://tpuc.org/ and here's the video that started me down this track seven years ago My link Pointless, frankly. The "real" courts don't follow the law. Guy in black makes stuff up, aims bailiffs and the police at you. You either fight and lose or obey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Pointless, frankly. The "real" courts don't follow the law. Guy in black makes stuff up, aims bailiffs and the police at you. You either fight and lose or obey. No injin, wev've just gone to court, and we won, hands down, no come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Two case won now, keep them coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 No injin, wev've just gone to court, and we won, hands down, no come back. Until you threaten their income stream, at which point you get owned and locked up. You won't believe me though, so just think about what I said when the inevitable happens. Extortionists aren't stopped by pieces of paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 In fact, how did you know you were in a "real" courtroom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Extortionists aren't stopped by pieces of paper. Extortionist are stopped by people standing up to them, And for one, I'm not scared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 In fact, how did you know you were in a "real" courtroom? we entered a admiralty court room and left a common law court room, great their power went right out the window. My favourite bit was when they threatend to call the police, but they couldn't as we would of had the magistrates arested for impersonating a magistrate ( as he had refused to show his oath) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 Extortionist are stopped by people standing up to them, And for one, I'm not scared. They don't care how you feel, and they aren't stopped by standing up to them. They'll just roll right over you without noticing and take whatever they want. Best you can do is make them look bad while they do it. That's all. Sometimes that's enough to make them back off, but if they really want your stuff, they'll just have it off you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 we entered a admiralty court room and left a common law court room, great their power went right out the window. My favourite bit was when they threatend to call the police, but they couldn't as we would of had the magistrates arested for impersonating a magistrate ( as he had refused to show his oath) You really think that makes the slightest difference? They make it up as they go, matey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 They don't care how you feel, and they aren't stopped by standing up to them. They'll just roll right over you without noticing and take whatever they want. Best you can do is make them look bad while they do it. That's all. Sometimes that's enough to make them back off, but if they really want your stuff, they'll just have it off you. I'm sorry this just isn't my experiance of court, as I've said wev've won hands down. Injin, this movement really needs people like you, you would have them tied in nots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 I'm sorry this just isn't my experiance of court, as I've said wev've won hands down. Injin, this movement really needs people like you, you would have them tied in nots. Been there, done that. It'll end for you like I say. They just make it up as they go along. You might get the odd win here and there, but all you are doing is make them look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Been there, done that. It'll end for you like I say. They just make it up as they go along. You might get the odd win here and there, but all you are doing is make them look good. So you've stood in court as a sovereign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 So you've stood in court as a sovereign? Nope, I've never been to a court. There are no such things as sovereigns, either. I've been extorted in public though, and deflected attempts to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Nope, I've never been to a court. There are no such things as sovereigns, either. I've been extorted in public though, and deflected attempts to do the same. So you've never been to court, ah. We stood as sovereigns, and the court room recognised it. they bent to our will because(drum roll) they are a legal fiction, and we were there in sui juris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 So you've never been to court, ah. We stood as sovereigns, and the court room recognised it. they bent to our will because(drum roll) they are a legal fiction, and we were there in sui juris. There is no such thing as a court. Read what I wrote again. The reason you are always going to fail is you've accepted the principle that if the paperwork is done, it's okay to attack people. So, from there - all anyone who wants to steal from you has to do is the right paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 There is no such thing as a court. Read what I wrote again. The reason you are always going to fail is you've accepted the principle that if the paperwork is done, it's okay to attack people. So, from there - all anyone who wants to steal from you has to do is the right paperwork. Ok, all i'll say is the paper work we've done, has been handed to the court and we have them committing perjury. Haven 't heard a peep since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 Ok, all i'll say is the paper work we've done, has been handed to the court and we have them committing perjury. Haven 't heard a peep since. There is no such thing as a court. It's just a room and a lie. Which you have fallen for. Your version of freedom is one where if the right paperwork is done, it's okay to lock me up/take my stuff/kidnap me/whatever. Not good enough for me, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 There is no such thing as a court. It's just a room and a lie. Which you have fallen for. Your version of freedom is one where if the right paperwork is done, it's okay to lock me up/take my stuff/kidnap me/whatever. Not good enough for me, sorry. aha the I understand you now, good for you. where just havin fun down here, but there is no reason to go to court on a statute, but that is more likley to get you thrown in jail, as they opperate on the presumption that you have agreed. But i can understand your position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 aha the I understand you now, good for you. where just havin fun down here, but there is no reason to go to court on a statute, but that is more likley to get you thrown in jail, as they opperate on the presumption that you have agreed. But i can understand your position Until you get that there are no courts, you'll struggle with the first step which is knowing who you are. Can't remember what you never knew! What a strange turn this thread has taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Until you get that there are no courts, you'll struggle with the first step which is knowing who you are. Can't remember what you never knew! What a strange turn this thread has taken. Yep ok, I just like seeing the magistrates all run into the wall. But its abit egotistical of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 So who's been getting ideas from Kafka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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